Trump supporters...please show class. Don't be sore losers...

[shoshin]

45 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

 

 

The data is there.  It seems you don’t want to believe it.

 

Yes. 4 confirmed cases of voter fraud in 2016. 

 

158 referrals for voter fraud since 2016, almost no convictions. 

 

That's the data. 

 

And there has yet to be the bigly evidence required for Trump to overturn this election. 

[Wacka]

12 hours ago, TBBills said:

Yea the guy who was picked by a BLACK President as his VP, the same guy who has the first Black woman vice president. Sounds so racist to a white man like yourself I bet.

B.c you don't bother looking at the conversation that everyone had with aristocrat already... Stop repeating defeated bull####.

The only reason he was VP was  insurance that no one would try to assasinate  half black jebus. The guy who said Obama bin laden was clean and articulate, and who his VP pick called  him a racist.

[SoTier]

1 hour ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

I don't disagree but I think we're very early in the process to issue a blanket dismissal of all potential improprieties.  After all its only been a few days.  And its that quick and immediate dismissal that creates a lot of suspicion and generates distrust of the process.  The fact is we don't know all the facts.   

 

Nobody is saying there are not any instances of vote fraud.  What people are saying is that there's absolutely no evidence of widespread voter fraud as is being alleged by Trump, Guiliani, and Trump true believers.   See below.

 

55 minutes ago, shoshin said:

I read the PA complaint today. Zero allegation of voter fraud. Zero evidence of vote changing. Zero request for votes to be switched. 
 

Just process complaints and the fear of “what could have happened.” A parade of fantasies around what could be going on at a distance of 10 feet from vote counters and the like, but not one instance or allegation of actual votes being changed. Let alone Rudy and his witness’s claim of 600,000 plus claim. 
 

That case is going nowhere for Trump. 

 

Another complaint in PA is that the GOP doesn't want ballots that were postmarked on/before Election Day but arrived after the polls closed counted.   They might have a case here, but those ballots were segregated and have not been counted pending the court decision.   These ballots number fewer than 9,000 while Biden's lead in PA is north of 40k the last time I looked.

 

One of the reasons that votes continue to dribble in from all over the country is the large number of provisional ballots, which is a result of the large turn out.   Provisional ballots are ballots cast by individuals with issues --- in-person voters who have moved and went to the wrong polling place; in-person voters who lacked sufficient ID; in-person voters who requested mail-in ballots, mail-in votes that might be from questionable voters, etc.

 

25 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

As I pointed out above under Trump’s administration they convened a study under that guy from Kansas to uncover all the supposed fraud.  It was quietly disbanded because nothing was found.  Other studies of fraud have similarly shown none to very small fractions of a percent incidence.

 

The data is there.  It seems you don’t want to believe it.

 

This was a study of numerous elections over several years.  It found a very tiny number of instances of outright fraud amid mostly inadvertent mistakes.

 

[shoshin]

41 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

 

 

 

Another complaint in PA is that the GOP doesn't want ballots that were postmarked on/before Election Day but arrived after the polls closed counted.   They might have a case here, but those ballots were segregated and have not been counted pending the court decision.   These ballots number fewer than 9,000 while Biden's lead in PA is north of 40k the last time I looked.

 

 

 

 

I agree with that case--that those votes should not count because the law says they should not and the PA Supreme Court had no right to re-write that law. But they haven't been counted in the total and don't matter to the result (they would just increase Biden's lead assuming they follow the pattern of the other mail ballots). Thus, even a Trump win on that doesn't affect anything. 

 

[snafu]

2 hours ago, wAcKy ZeBrA said:

 

Allegations without evidence can and should be rightfully dismissed without evidence.

 

This is stupid.

 

[SoTier]

26 minutes ago, shoshin said:

 

I agree with that case--that those votes should not count because the law says they should not and the PA Supreme Court had no right to re-write that law. But they haven't been counted in the total and don't matter to the result (they would just increase Biden's lead assuming they follow the pattern of the other mail ballots). Thus, even a Trump win on that doesn't affect anything. 

 

 

I agree, too.   If the legislature wanted late arriving votes to count, they would have made that part of the law.   I don't know if they have special circumstances for overseas ballots which are often primarily from military personnel.   Many states do allow some time for those ballots to arrive after election day, including North Carolina.

 

I think a lot of the people who are buying into this idea of widespread election fraud (aside from Trump, Crazy Rudy, and their sycophants) are people who get their news from social media instead of from mainstream news outlets.  They don't understand how the process works, so they believe anything.   All the tv stations covered this, but  I followed the post-election ballot counting on CNN which had extensive coverage.   I got a real education on how ballot security and counting works as well as how the different procedures for handling in-person and mail-in ballots that states had skewed the reporting of election results early on, and why it took so much longer for one state to report results than another state.

[snafu]

18 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

Then how do we get the country working together again?  Looks like we share similar political philosophies, so I’d be interested in your thoughts.

 

i think of historical examples.  Reagan and O’Neil were as opposite politically as you could get, but every week had drinks together, and got things done, notably saving Social Security.  My favorite President was Truman, not for his politics but because he was faced with so many critical decisions and took them on unflinchingly.  When it came to big things like saving Europe with the Marshall Plan, we had bipartisanship.  More recently Bush and 9/11.  We came together.

 

We are each middle of the electorate it seems, conservative in areas and liberal in others.  Should we not be able to work together?

 

Nice thoughts. I trend like Skynrd in my beliefs.

And it is extremely difficult to come together when the last  4+ years have been filled with being labeled with every stupid, wrong-headed accusation in the book.  This just for discussing the policies of the Administration and not dismissing them out-of-hand because it was felt that there wasn't enough Trump hatred.  It started with deplorables, then we went through Putin loving traitors, then Nazis, racists, mysogynists, evil, stupid, cult members. No discussion was to be had.  None.  Couldn't legitimize Trump in any way.  That was the strategy.

 

Before I get accused, again, of all these things I will repeat that I never voted for Trump.  But to have a thread like this, calling for Trump supporters to be "good" losers (when the results of the election has not yet been certified in any single state in this Union) is absolutely laughable.  The riot plans and plywood was put up for Biden voters.   

 

Even now, anyone not hating Trump enough but just willing to wait and see what's going to happen is dismissed as a conspiracist. It was just fine when Hillary Clinton advised Joe Biden not to concede the election.  But when Trump exercises his RIGHT to contest the results; and when (I think) at least two states are doing automatic re-counts,  that's where the line gets drawn?

 

And even with all that said, it would be Republicans -- who have been shamelessly vilified; and Trump voters (over 70,000,000 of them) who will be the only ones mature enough to work together with the other side (with exceptions to this rule, obviously).

 

 

 

 

 

5 hours ago, wAcKy ZeBrA said:

Allegations without evidence can and should be rightfully dismissed without evidence.

 

Crossfire Hurricane and Mueller say hello.

 

[TBBills]

5 minutes ago, snafu said:

 

Nice thoughts. I trend like Skynrd in my beliefs.

And it is extremely difficult to come together when the last  4+ years have been filled with being labeled with every stupid, wrong-headed accusation in the book.  This just for discussing the policies of the Administration and not dismissing them out-of-hand because it was felt that there wasn't enough Trump hatred.  It started with deplorables, then we went through Putin loving traitors, then Nazis, racists, mysogynists, evil, stupid, cult members. No discussion was to be had.  None.  Couldn't legitimize Trump in any way.  That was the strategy.

 

Before I get accused, again, of all these things I will repeat that I never voted for Trump.  But to have a thread like this, calling for Trump supporters to be "good" losers (when the results of the election has not yet been certified in any single state in this Union) is absolutely laughable.  The riot plans and plywood was put up for Biden voters.   

 

Even now, anyone not hating Trump enough but just willing to wait and see what's going to happen is dismissed as a conspiracist. It was just fine when Hillary Clinton advised Joe Biden not to concede the election.  But when Trump exercises his RIGHT to contest the results; and when (I think) at least two states are doing automatic re-counts,  that's where the line gets drawn?

 

And even with all that said, it would be Republicans -- who have been shamelessly vilified; and Trump voters (over 70,000,000 of them) who will be the only ones mature enough to work together with the other side (with exceptions to this rule, obviously).

 

 

 

 

 

 

Crossfire Hurricane and Mueller say hello.

 

Everything you said about the Dems is basically what Trump has done for the past 4 years....  He would label everything stupid that wasn't his idea. He hated and spread hate to anyone not agreeing with him. He has been in trouble more than a few times for promoting violence, even banned on Twitch for doing it.

 

It is so weird that people do not see that is what he has done, even attacked media when they didn't talk about him favorably.

 

Not to mention making fun of the disabled.

Edited November 10, 2020 by TBBills

[snafu]

2 minutes ago, TBBills said:

Everything you said about the Dems is basically what Trump has done for the past 4 years....  He would label everything stupid that wasn't his idea. He hated and spread hate to anyone not agreeing with him. He has been in trouble more than a few times for promoting violence, even banned on Twitch for doing it.

 

It is so weird that people do not see that is what he has done, even attacked media when they didn't talk about him favorably.

 

Read better.

I wasn't talking about Trump.  Nothing in that post was Trump.  The subject was whether people from both sides can come together.  The subject had nothing to do with Trump.  What are you going to do when Trump is gone?

 

 

 

[TBBills]

Just now, snafu said:

 

Read better.

I wasn't talking about Trump.  Nothing in that post was Trump.  The subject was whether people from both sides can come together.  The subject had nothing to do with Trump.  What are you going to do when Trump is gone?

 

 

 

The people that voted for Trump act and do thing the exact way he does them. They are the sheep and act as he acts... You cannot have one without the other. The Trumpies follow his lead.... When Trump is gone I bet the Trumpies go silent b.c they won't have someone to mimic... Well they will probably go back to watching his TV show.

[Doc]

"Now that our side won, please don't be sore losers like we were for the past 4 years."  Classic!

[snafu]

1 minute ago, TBBills said:

The people that voted for Trump act and do thing the exact way he does them. They are the sheep and act as he acts... You cannot have one without the other. The Trumpies follow his lead.... When Trump is gone I bet the Trumpies go silent b.c they won't have someone to mimic... Well they will probably go back to watching his TV show.

 

@oldmanfan

This proves my point.  

 

 

 

[TBBills]

1 minute ago, Doc said:

"Now that our side won, please don't be sore losers like we were for the past 4 years."  Classic!

Can't expect a Trumpie to be anything other than the leader they follow.

Just now, snafu said:

 

@oldmanfan

This proves my point.  

 

 

 

Proves your point that you are following a man who destroyed a country and you think you were the ones being bullied lol.

[snafu]

1 minute ago, TBBills said:

Can't expect a Trumpie to be anything other than the leader they follow.

Proves your point that you are following a man who destroyed a country and you think you were the ones being bullied lol.

 

@oldmanfan

He did it again!!

 

[TBBills]

1 minute ago, snafu said:

 

@oldmanfan

He did it again!!

 

It's ok you been doing it for 4 years, and it seems you don't ever want to stop.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

19 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

Then how do we get the country working together again?  Looks like we share similar political philosophies, so I’d be interested in your thoughts.

 

i think of historical examples.  Reagan and O’Neil were as opposite politically as you could get, but every week had drinks together, and got things done, notably saving Social Security.  My favorite President was Truman, not for his politics but because he was faced with so many critical decisions and took them on unflinchingly.  When it came to big things like saving Europe with the Marshall Plan, we had bipartisanship.  More recently Bush and 9/11.  We came together.

 

We are each middle of the electorate it seems, conservative in areas and liberal in others.  Should we not be able to work together?

I started responding yesterday and decided to take a minute and think it through. 

 

On a local level, I think we (us v them, whomever us or them is in this case) find unity quickly and decisively.  I think we each speak our peace, acknowledge the feelings of the other and go about our business.  We both probably walk away thinking nothing changed, but we had a nice dialogue. 

 

The tale of Reagan and O'Neill is oft-told and is inspirational.  However, it was a story that played out in the early 1980s.  In those days, the stench of McCarthyism was still hanging around as it had been only 30 years or so since the infamous Red Scare.  We were still only 40 years removed from WW2, not much more than a decade off of Vietnam, and the world was different.  Had Tip O'Neill accused RR of being a Gorbachev Stooge, had the FBI launched a bogus probe against ties to Red Russia, the electorate would have met these allegations with a very jaundiced eye.  It simply would not have flown.  Likewise, allegations near and far from politicians and the media that RR was a glorified Nazi would have caused a massive outcry from the men and women who lived and lost loved ones during that era.  In my humble opinion, the reason the word 'Nazi' is thrown around these days is because there are very, very few people left to stand up and say "Are you &^%$ing people crazy??". 

 

Bush and the American people's response to 9/11 was also inspirational.  Nothing like an attempt to destroy us all to bring folks together.  However, by the time W had done his time, let's not pretend that he was not excoriated by Obama/Biden as basically a war criminal who sent American soldiers to die in a trumped up war-for-oil scheme.  Magically, of course, once the election was done, nothing further comes of it.  In fact, now the W Bush family and the Hussein-Obama families are quite close. Imagine that--the war criminal and the man who called him out are buddies.  In fact, looky looky--now W is all about the decency of jb.  No concerns about jb's wandering mind, no concerns about his racial insensitivity of pawing of women in the era of #metoo (which makes sense, given that old man HW Bush liked to cop a feel like rich elitist old men are prone to do)--just "He's a decent man.".

 

I ask you OMF--given our similarities--did W Bush think Trump a Russian stooge or a victim of a take down?  Did he support FISA abuse, like one might assume a War-for-Oil president probably would?  Did he support the Comey approach to derailing a president?  Did he support Obama's arrogance as he suddenly, without notice, caused an international incident by expelling a couple dozen Ruskies in the closing days in office?  

 

Now, here we are.  Election chaos, a push by the media to steamroll a candidate into submission.  It would work on a Mitt Romney or Jeb W Bush--they are soft as butter and were born without nuts.  Trump, however, is different and has chosen at this point to see it through.  Whether that builds unity or not really depends on your point of view--- I think there is nothing more American than pursuit of legal remedy through the court system.  There is no downside, no real room for debate as it's a foundational principle of our country.  On the flip side, declaring someone prom king in some dopey media push is silly and divisive, mostly because it means nothing.  It's divisive, it's presumptuous and it's unnecessary. 

 

If Biden prevails, the strategy changes because it has to.  Unity has nothing to do with it--he didn't seek it out in the race, he didn't seek it out in the 4 years Trump was in office, and imo he offers nothing of value to me as a citizen. 

Edited November 10, 2020 by leh-nerd skin-erd

[TBBills]

Nov 10th still zero proof of any voter fraud....

[keepthefaith]

39 minutes ago, TBBills said:

The people that voted for Trump act and do thing the exact way he does them. They are the sheep and act as he acts... You cannot have one without the other. The Trumpies follow his lead.... When Trump is gone I bet the Trumpies go silent b.c they won't have someone to mimic... Well they will probably go back to watching his TV show.

 

Clueless. 

[TBBills]

Just now, keepthefaith said:

Clueless. 

I agree Trump and his supporters are "Clueless"

[jrober38]

48 minutes ago, TBBills said:

Nov 10th still zero proof of any voter fraud....

 

Because there is none.

All of the GOP talking points are complete garbage. Just lie after lie after lie. 

[oldmanfan]

1 hour ago, snafu said:

 

Nice thoughts. I trend like Skynrd in my beliefs.

And it is extremely difficult to come together when the last  4+ years have been filled with being labeled with every stupid, wrong-headed accusation in the book.  This just for discussing the policies of the Administration and not dismissing them out-of-hand because it was felt that there wasn't enough Trump hatred.  It started with deplorables, then we went through Putin loving traitors, then Nazis, racists, mysogynists, evil, stupid, cult members. No discussion was to be had.  None.  Couldn't legitimize Trump in any way.  That was the strategy.

 

Before I get accused, again, of all these things I will repeat that I never voted for Trump.  But to have a thread like this, calling for Trump supporters to be "good" losers (when the results of the election has not yet been certified in any single state in this Union) is absolutely laughable.  The riot plans and plywood was put up for Biden voters.   

 

Even now, anyone not hating Trump enough but just willing to wait and see what's going to happen is dismissed as a conspiracist. It was just fine when Hillary Clinton advised Joe Biden not to concede the election.  But when Trump exercises his RIGHT to contest the results; and when (I think) at least two states are doing automatic re-counts,  that's where the line gets drawn?

 

And even with all that said, it would be Republicans -- who have been shamelessly vilified; and Trump voters (over 70,000,000 of them) who will be the only ones mature enough to work together with the other side (with exceptions to this rule, obviously).

 

 

 

 

 

 

Crossfire Hurricane and Mueller say hello.

 

He has a right to contest, but you have to have some basis for doing so.  Thus far there has been no logical basis aid out.  The only thing I can see held up being held up by the court is not counting certain provisional ballots in Pa; they would not affect the outcome.

 

Bottom line is thus:  the loser of this election claimed before the election the only way he can lose is by fraud and he cannot accept he got voted out.  He has a pre-conceived idea and is trying to make the outcome fit that.  That is not the way it works.

[WEATHER DOT COM]

1 minute ago, oldmanfan said:

He has a pre-conceived idea and is trying to make the outcome fit that.  That is not the way it works.

 

So pre-conceived he put together a voter fraud commision after the 2016 election that found...

 

nada 

[oldmanfan]

1 hour ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

I started responding yesterday and decided to take a minute and think it through. 

 

On a local level, I think we (us v them, whomever us or them is in this case) find unity quickly and decisively.  I think we each speak our peace, acknowledge the feelings of the other and go about our business.  We both probably walk away thinking nothing changed, but we had a nice dialogue. 

 

The tale of Reagan and O'Neill is oft-told and is inspirational.  However, it was a story that played out in the early 1980s.  In those days, the stench of McCarthyism was still hanging around as it had been only 30 years or so since the infamous Red Scare.  We were still only 40 years removed from WW2, not much more than a decade off of Vietnam, and the world was different.  Had Tip O'Neill accused RR of being a Gorbachev Stooge, had the FBI launched a bogus probe against ties to Red Russia, the electorate would have met these allegations with a very jaundiced eye.  It simply would not have flown.  Likewise, allegations near and far from politicians and the media that RR was a glorified Nazi would have caused a massive outcry from the men and women who lived and lost loved ones during that era.  In my humble opinion, the reason the word 'Nazi' is thrown around these days is because there are very, very few people left to stand up and say "Are you &^%$ing people crazy??". 

 

Bush and the American people's response to 9/11 was also inspirational.  Nothing like an attempt to destroy us all to bring folks together.  However, by the time W had done his time, let's not pretend that he was not excoriated by Obama/Biden as basically a war criminal who sent American soldiers to die in a trumped up war-for-oil scheme.  Magically, of course, once the election was done, nothing further comes of it.  In fact, now the W Bush family and the Hussein-Obama families are quite close. Imagine that--the war criminal and the man who called him out are buddies.  In fact, looky looky--now W is all about the decency of jb.  No concerns about jb's wandering mind, no concerns about his racial insensitivity of pawing of women in the era of #metoo (which makes sense, given that old man HW Bush liked to cop a feel like rich elitist old men are prone to do)--just "He's a decent man.".

 

I ask you OMF--given our similarities--did W Bush think Trump a Russian stooge or a victim of a take down?  Did he support FISA abuse, like one might assume a War-for-Oil president probably would?  Did he support the Comey approach to derailing a president?  Did he support Obama's arrogance as he suddenly, without notice, caused an international incident by expelling a couple dozen Ruskies in the closing days in office?  

 

Now, here we are.  Election chaos, a push by the media to steamroll a candidate into submission.  It would work on a Mitt Romney or Jeb W Bush--they are soft as butter and were born without nuts.  Trump, however, is different and has chosen at this point to see it through.  Whether that builds unity or not really depends on your point of view--- I think there is nothing more American than pursuit of legal remedy through the court system.  There is no downside, no real room for debate as it's a foundational principle of our country.  On the flip side, declaring someone prom king in some dopey media push is silly and divisive, mostly because it means nothing.  It's divisive, it's presumptuous and it's unnecessary. 

 

If Biden prevails, the strategy changes because it has to.  Unity has nothing to do with it--he didn't seek it out in the race, he didn't seek it out in the 4 years Trump was in office, and imo he offers nothing of value to me as a citizen. 

Thanks for responding.  Having media and other outlets declare the winner has been done for decades.  Having a peaceful changing of the guard with sufficient time for the incoming administration to come up to speed is not only traditional but essential.  

 

I want folks to come together, but I think you have to acknowledge this post-election period is more bizarre than any other than 2000 and the Hayes-Tilden election, and it is because the loser cannot accept it, and the members of his party and too scared for their political futures to tell him so.

 

Legally there are a couple states that will be recounted.  There is virtually no chance tens of thousands of vote differentials change.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

7 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Thanks for responding.  Having media and other outlets declare the winner has been done for decades.  Having a peaceful changing of the guard with sufficient time for the incoming administration to come up to speed is not only traditional but essential.  

 

I want folks to come together, but I think you have to acknowledge this post-election period is more bizarre than any other than 2000 and the Hayes-Tilden election, and it is because the loser cannot accept it, and the members of his party and too scared for their political futures to tell him so.

 

Legally there are a couple states that will be recounted.  There is virtually no chance tens of thousands of vote differentials change.

I do not acknowledge that, and most races are over before they start and the media does what the media does before, during and after an election.  I reject the notion that members of his party are too scared to say anything, in fact, the challenge for him is that political figures jump ship quickly based on the ebbs and flow of public opinion and what's in their own best interest.   

 

As to your second point, if you're correct, there should be no harm in pursuing legal remedy.  I'm uncertain as to why people have an issue with that notion.  As they said during Russiagate--if you have nothing to hide, you shouldn't worry about your door being kicked in. 

 

 

 

 

 

[oldmanfan]

13 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

I do not acknowledge that, and most races are over before they start and the media does what the media does before, during and after an election.  I reject the notion that members of his party are too scared to say anything, in fact, the challenge for him is that political figures jump ship quickly based on the ebbs and flow of public opinion and what's in their own best interest.   

 

As to your second point, if you're correct, there should be no harm in pursuing legal remedy.  I'm uncertain as to why people have an issue with that notion.  As they said during Russiagate--if you have nothing to hide, you shouldn't worry about your door being kicked in. 

 

 

 

 

 

Good dialog.  Regarding the above, you have to have a reasonable claim of harm to pursue legal remedy.  There simply is no data to support that either in the historical review of electoral outcomes or from any of the states this time.  The only reason this is happening is because the incumbent claimed before the election that he could only lose by fraud, and he cannot accept that he lost.  

 

At some point the majority of the electorate that are in the middle with conservative and liberal thoughts on specific areas have to take the country back from the crazies at the periphery.

 

 

[dickleyjones]

1 hour ago, oldmanfan said:

At some point the majority of the electorate that are in the middle with conservative and liberal thoughts on specific areas have to take the country back from the crazies at the periphery.

 

i am glad to see this written down. i hope you and your country succeeds.

[snafu]

3 hours ago, wAcKy ZeBrA said:

 

So pre-conceived he put together a voter fraud commision after the 2016 election that found...

 

nada 

 

Crossfire Hurricane and Mueller say hello again.

 

[transplantbillsfan]

Okay so I gotta say... if we still had some posters here who left or were kicked out recently, this place would be up in arms.

 

I'm where many of those posters are and last night one of those posters (the one with whom I have an avatar bet I'm seeing the end of) just started losing it with me because I'm pretty much the lone liberal posting over there:

 

Seriously, go &#%$ yourself. I spent too long defending you. 

 

You're not an ally, you're not a friend, you're nothing but a very sad, very programmed person. Away with you. 

 

I'll be clear. I'm not your friend. I'm your enemy. &#%$ off now. 

 

Next time I tell you to &#%$ off, do it or be bannished. 

 

Spending the last three years proving to anyone unfortunate enough to read your stuff that you're not only a very dumb person, but completely unable to think for himself wasn't enough for you I guess. Now you're back to prove that not only are you dumb, you're an #######. 

 

 

All that was from the same poster now banned from here.

 

My point: Trump supporters won't EVER concede that Trump lost this election, much like Trump himself.

[snafu]

15 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

All that was from the same poster now banned from here.

 

Why does anyone around here still care about this?

You want him banned from here again?

 

 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

27 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

Okay so I gotta say... if we still had some posters here who left or were kicked out recently, this place would be up in arms.

 

I'm where many of those posters are and last night one of those posters (the one with whom I have an avatar bet I'm seeing the end of) just started losing it with me because I'm pretty much the lone liberal posting over there:

 

Seriously, go &#%$ yourself. I spent too long defending you. 

 

You're not an ally, you're not a friend, you're nothing but a very sad, very programmed person. Away with you. 

 

I'll be clear. I'm not your friend. I'm your enemy. &#%$ off now. 

 

Next time I tell you to &#%$ off, do it or be bannished. 

 

Spending the last three years proving to anyone unfortunate enough to read your stuff that you're not only a very dumb person, but completely unable to think for himself wasn't enough for you I guess. Now you're back to prove that not only are you dumb, you're an #######. 

 

 

All that was from the same poster now banned from here.

 

My point: Trump supporters won't EVER concede that Trump lost this election, much like Trump himself.

Why would DJT concede he lost the election if he’s pursuing legal remedy?  Why would a supporter of his concede the election under these circumstances?  Did Al Gore concede early in the battle?  This is foolishness. 
 

You’re starting to sound an awful lot like Eddie Haskell.  “Hey guys, over there, that bad boy who got kicked out of gym class was really mean to me.”. 
 

Sack up.  

[transplantbillsfan]

3 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Why would DJT concede he lost the election if he’s pursuing legal remedy?  Why would a supporter of his concede the election under these circumstances?  Did Al Gore concede early in the battle?  This is foolishness. 
 

You’re starting to sound an awful lot like Eddie Haskell.  “Hey guys, over there, that bad boy who got kicked out of gym class was really mean to me.”. 
 

Sack up.  

 

He can do whatever he wants.  Al Gore vs. Bush was a 538 vote separation to decide an election.

 

This is already well over 50,000 votes and counting.

 

He's free to pursue the legal remedy of a recount, but recounts almost never overturn an election and the change in vote tallies is in the hundreds, not the tens of thousands when they do.

 

The claims of fraud and voter irregularities are something Trump and his supporters have been crying about since the election while completely disregarding things like the over 100,000 undelivered ballots by USPS, run by a political partisan and Trump Crony who had been working to undermine and slow down USPS in the months leading up to an election that was going to be largely mail in.

 

He can do whatever he wants legally to try to win the election, but when it comes to January 20th and none of those hail mary legal remedies worked, he will have to leave the White House as possibly the worst loser in American history.  Certainly the worst loser of a Presidential election.

 

One would expect nothing less of Donald Trump, though.

[TBBills]

So it isn't ok to call Biden the winner but it is ok for Trump to pretend like he won?

Yea awesome logic.

[Coach Tuesday]

“Pursuing his legal remedies” LOL.  His lawsuits are in search of evidence, not based on any evidence.  The “let’s let the legal process play out” crowd is killing me.  Let it play out for what?  Because Trump decided in his head that he was robbed?  You bring cases based on evidence, not in order to fish for evidence.  And, there is none.  You people and your Circus Barker.  Get a grip.

[transplantbillsfan]

11 minutes ago, TBBills said:

So it isn't ok to call Biden the winner but it is ok for Trump to pretend like he won?

Yea awesome logic.

 

They are actually calling this an attempted coup by Biden.

 

Just friggin nutty.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

8 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

He can do whatever he wants.  Al Gore vs. Bush was a 538 vote separation to decide an election.

 

This is already well over 50,000 votes and counting.

 

He's free to pursue the legal remedy of a recount, but recounts almost never overturn an election and the change in vote tallies is in the hundreds, not the tens of thousands when they do.

 

The claims of fraud and voter irregularities are something Trump and his supporters have been crying about since the election while completely disregarding things like the over 100,000 undelivered ballots by USPS, run by a political partisan and Trump Crony who had been working to undermine and slow down USPS in the months leading up to an election that was going to be largely mail in.

 

He can do whatever he wants legally to try to win the election, but when it comes to January 20th and none of those hail mary legal remedies worked, he will have to leave the White House as possibly the worst loser in American history.  Certainly the worst loser of a Presidential election.

 

One would expect nothing less of Donald Trump, though.

No one is crying, Transpy, except maybe you in your post above about mean treatment.  What’s that all about?  
 

Your style on the other board is deceitful at times.  You claim to support the right to pursue legal remedy and then repeat same tired “but..,” line over and over.  It’s obnoxious, and I think I know a bit about being obnoxious.  
 

Anyway, we’ll see. 

44 minutes ago, snafu said:

 

Why does anyone around here still care about this?

You want him banned from here again?

 

 

Damn Snaf, that’s why you have to stay around.  The double ban is something I never thought of. 
 

This almost feels like Transpys safe place. 

[oldmanfan]

Just now, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

No one is crying, Transpy, except maybe you in your post above about mean treatment.  What’s that all about?  
 

Your style on the other board is deceitful at times.  You claim to support the right to pursue legal remedy and then repeat same tired “but..,” line over and over.  It’s obnoxious, and I think I know a bit about being obnoxious.  
 

Anyway, we’ll see. 

Love your name on here, Freebird is one of my favorite songs.  But Coach Tuesday is right.  You can pursue legal remedies but you have to have evidence that harm has been done.  And there is none.  You don’t use lawsuits as a fishing expedition; judges laugh at it as the one did in Pa when the lawyer had to admit in court that there were in fact observers present.  

 

 Losing an election does not mean harm has been done, it means the people used their constitutional right to select someone else.

[transplantbillsfan]

1 minute ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

No one is crying, Transpy, except maybe you in your post above about mean treatment.  What’s that all about?  

 

Crying?  I think it's pathetic the way DR is losing it.  Those posts were so unlike even him that it's almost funny.

 

I guess I'm a little disappointed he lacks integrity, but I'm not at all surprised.

 

Crying?  Maybe you're right.  I'm sad because I legitimately thought this election might force DR and others to consider that maybe they need to pull themselves out of these insane rabbit holes.  Instead they're making other rabbit holes to borough into.

 

1 minute ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

 

Your style on the other board is deceitful at times.  You claim to support the right to pursue legal remedy and then repeat same tired “but..,” line over and over.  It’s obnoxious, and I think I know a bit about being obnoxious.  
 

 

You can still legally pursue things like a recount and other court battles and maintain the precedent of allowing for a smooth and peaceful transition.

 

It's a national security issue to hold up a transition.  Just ask the 911 Commission re- George W Bush.

 

1 minute ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Anyway, we’ll see. 

 

"We'll see."

 

I'm sorry, but this is what so many over there are saying, and it's obvious most of it is crap.  When it ends up there's no overturning of the results, DR and all the others (I hope not you, but I admit I question that) will cry foul by the courts or election officials overseeing the recounts or someone.

 

They will still claim Trump won the election. 

 

It's amazing to me that ANYONE could have thought Trump couldn't lose... but that's exactly what DR thought and it's why he lambasted me with his sad and pathetic vitriole.

[shoshin]

4 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

Good dialog.  Regarding the above, you have to have a reasonable claim of harm to pursue legal remedy.  There simply is no data to support that either in the historical review of electoral outcomes or from any of the states this time.  The only reason this is happening is because the incumbent claimed before the election that he could only lose by fraud, and he cannot accept that he lost.  

 

At some point the majority of the electorate that are in the middle with conservative and liberal thoughts on specific areas have to take the country back from the crazies at the periphery.

 

 

Yes x 2. The later point is the more salient one. 
 

 

[Warcodered]

2 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Crying?  I think it's pathetic the way DR is losing it.  Those posts were so unlike even him that it's almost funny.

 

I guess I'm a little disappointed he lacks integrity, but I'm not at all surprised.

 

Crying?  Maybe you're right.  I'm sad because I legitimately thought this election might force DR and others to consider that maybe they need to pull themselves out of these insane rabbit holes.  Instead they're making other rabbit holes to borough into.

 

 

You can still legally pursue things like a recount and other court battles and maintain the precedent of allowing for a smooth and peaceful transition.

 

It's a national security issue to hold up a transition.  Just ask the 911 Commission re- George W Bush.

 

 

"We'll see."

 

I'm sorry, but this is what so many over there are saying, and it's obvious most of it is crap.  When it ends up there's no overturning of the results, DR and all the others (I hope not you, but I admit I question that) will cry foul by the courts or election officials overseeing the recounts or someone.

 

They will still claim Trump won the election. 

 

It's amazing to me that ANYONE could have thought Trump couldn't lose... but that's exactly what DR thought and it's why he lambasted me with his sad and pathetic vitriole.

Honestly Transplant I thought that bet was funny and would of found it hilarious if he'd honored it. But realistically it isn't all that surprising that he won't. When you debate him on any of this stuff and strip away the layers of crap it comes down to the fact that he believes an elaborate conspiracy, so he's not going believe the results if they don't agree with him. And when you get to the point where you're calling him out on that conspiracy that is when he can tend to get nasty.

Edited November 11, 2020 by Warcodered

[shoshin]

Even FoxNews's website doesn't have fraud claims. There's no there there.