Will Epenesa be inactive on Sunday? Interesting scenario

[JohnNord]

3 hours ago, BarleyNY said:

You have a lot wrong here.   First off, DE is absolutely not a position rookies jump in and contribute early.  Early first rounders, sure.  Not so much after that.  Feel free to list all of the DEs that started game 1 or even contributed early in their rookie season.  I looked through last season’s first three rounds.  Not a lot there as far as games started - or even played - from DEs outside the top 10 picks (Bosa, Ferrell and the other Josh Allen).  Some mixed results even with those high picks too.
 

For further comparison, the 54th player selected last season was a CB, Lonnie Johnson, who played in 11 games.  I know there have been players selected at 54 and after who have come in and contributed (or even started successfully) from game one, but it’s not the norm.  You might wanna let this one play out for a little while before making any judgment.  Also it wouldn’t hurt to get your facts straight.

 

Again though, you change the argument.  I’m not disagreeing with anything you said.
 

But I told you to name a 2nd round DE who was made INACTIVE on Week 1 of their rookie, that turned out to be a stud.  You never see second round draft picks - especially defensive ends as a healthy scratch.  It never happens which is why I said, if it’s the case with Epinesa then I’d consider they to be a disappointment.  You disagreed.

 

So I’ll ask you again:

 

Name a 2nd round DE who was made INACTIVE on Week 1 of their rookie, that turned out to be a stud?

 

 

[Coach Tuesday]

12 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

Again though, you change the argument.  I’m not disagreeing with anything you said.
 

But I told you to name a 2nd round DE who was made INACTIVE on Week 1 of their rookie, that turned out to be a stud.  You never see second round draft picks - especially defensive ends as a healthy scratch.  It never happens which is why I said, if it’s the case with Epinesa then I’d consider they to be a disappointment.  You disagreed.

 

So I’ll ask you again:

 

Name a 2nd round DE who was made INACTIVE on Week 1 of their rookie, that turned out to be a stud?

 

 

What a weird question.  I don’t know if Aaron Schobel was INACTIVE for game one of 2001 but he certainly didn’t start.  He went on to have an excellent career.

[JohnNord]

27 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

What a weird question.  I don’t know if Aaron Schobel was INACTIVE for game one of 2001 but he certainly didn’t start.  He went on to have an excellent career.

Again, that’s not what I’m arguing.  
 

It’s a weird question, because it doesn’t happen very often

Edited September 13, 2020 by JohnNord

[Coach Tuesday]

1 minute ago, JohnNord said:

Again, that’s not what I’m arguing.  
 

It’s a weird question, because it doesn’t happen very often

It just doesn’t prove anything.  If your point is that Epanesa being a healthy scratch tomorrow makes it unlikely he’ll ever be great.  That just doesn’t make sense.

[JohnNord]

2 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

It just doesn’t prove anything.  If your point is that Epanesa being a healthy scratch tomorrow makes it unlikely he’ll ever be great.  That just doesn’t make sense.

So you don’t think the fact that a second round draft pick is a healthy scratch, playing behind a 7th round draft pick from the prior year isn’t a good sign?  Because I would beg to differ.  It’s very uncommon that a 2nd rounder is made a healthy scratch

[BarleyNY]

3 hours ago, JohnNord said:

Again though, you change the argument.  I’m not disagreeing with anything you said.
 

But I told you to name a 2nd round DE who was made INACTIVE on Week 1 of their rookie, that turned out to be a stud.  You never see second round draft picks - especially defensive ends as a healthy scratch.  It never happens which is why I said, if it’s the case with Epinesa then I’d consider they to be a disappointment.  You disagreed.

 

So I’ll ask you again:

 

Name a 2nd round DE who was made INACTIVE on Week 1 of their rookie, that turned out to be a stud?

 

 

Why are you expecting a DE selected 54th overall to be a stud?   At that point in the draft I’d say a GM did well if that player developed into a competent starter at DE.  Also (and I already brought these things up):

1) why would you ignore the impact of no OTAs, a shortened TC and lack of preseason games on rookies starting or being active for the first game?

2) when was it announced that Epenesa is going to be inactive?

3) why ignore the fact that a bunch of players at a variety of positions have been inactive or have not played early in their rookie seasons?

 

I am not even saying that I have high expectations for Epenesa, but it’s silly to put so much emphasis on his status for game one of his rookie season, especially when we don’t know what that status is.  With no preseason games and such a shortened offseason do you really expect a lot of rookies drafted beyond the first round to see action early?  Even in regular seasons it is rare for players taken past the early second to get much playing time.  I mean, what’s your point?  That you didn’t like the pick?  Great.  Then just say that instead of trying to make something out of nothing. 

 

[Mr. Wonderful]

Bust

[BarleyNY]

4 hours ago, DrDare said:

Im throwing Tomatoes

Jevon Kearse immediately came to my mind, and i was right

 

14.5 sacks rookie season (16th overall pick)

So you only had to go back to 1999 to find a DE who was the 16th overall pick who had a stellar rookie season.  That’s hilarious. 

[Buffalo716]

13 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

Why are you expecting a DE selected 54th overall to be a stud?   At that point in the draft I’d say a GM did well if that player developed into a competent starter at DE.  Also (and I already brought these things up):

1) why would you ignore the impact of no OTAs, a shortened TC and lack of preseason games on rookies starting or being active for the first game?

2) when was it announced that Epenesa is going to be inactive?

3) why ignore the fact that a bunch of players at a variety of positions have been inactive or have not played early in their rookie seasons?

 

I am not even saying that I have high expectations for Epenesa, but it’s silly to put so much emphasis on his status for game one of his rookie season, especially when we don’t know what that status is.  With no preseason games and such a shortened offseason do you really expect a lot of rookies drafted beyond the first round to see action early?  Even in regular seasons it is rare for players taken past the early second to get much playing time.  I mean, what’s your point?  That you didn’t like the pick?  Great.  Then just say that instead of trying to make something out of nothing. 

 

While I wouldn't expect somebody picked 54th to be a stud on the level of a perennial all pro that is still a high pick in the nfl draft. A second round pick absolutely should develop into a starter eventually if you drafted correctly

[BarleyNY]

Just now, Buffalo716 said:

While I wouldn't expect somebody picked 54th to be a stud on the level of a perennial all pro that is still a high pick in the nfl draft. A second round pick absolutely should develop into a starter eventually if you drafted correctly

That was one of my points. 

[JohnNord]

6 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

While I wouldn't expect somebody picked 54th to be a stud on the level of a perennial all pro that is still a high pick in the nfl draft. A second round pick absolutely should develop into a starter eventually if you drafted correctly

Also, a player that you drafted 54th overall should be good enough to dress on Sunday.

 

7 hours ago, BarleyNY said:

Why are you expecting a DE selected 54th overall to be a stud?   At that point in the draft I’d say a GM did well if that player developed into a competent starter at DE.  Also (and I already brought these things up):

1) why would you ignore the impact of no OTAs, a shortened TC and lack of preseason games on rookies starting or being active for the first game?

2) when was it announced that Epenesa is going to be inactive?

3) why ignore the fact that a bunch of players at a variety of positions have been inactive or have not played early in their rookie seasons?

 

I am not even saying that I have high expectations for Epenesa, but it’s silly to put so much emphasis on his status for game one of his rookie season, especially when we don’t know what that status is.  With no preseason games and such a shortened offseason do you really expect a lot of rookies drafted beyond the first round to see action early?  Even in regular seasons it is rare for players taken past the early second to get much playing time.  I mean, what’s your point?  That you didn’t like the pick?  Great.  Then just say that instead of trying to make something out of nothing. 

 

 

My point is, the fact that Epinesa is buried as the 4th DE on the depth chart behind a 2019 7th round pick probably isn’t a good sign.

 

To an extent what you say is correct, but again.... it is very rare for a second round DE to be so far down the depth chart that they are listed as a healthy scratch.  Don’t pretend that it’s common, because it isn’t.  I think it’s a bad sign but we’ll see

Edited September 13, 2020 by JohnNord

[BarleyNY]

11 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

Also, a player that you drafted 54th overall should be good enough to dress on Sunday.

 

 

My point is, the fact that Epinesa is buried as the 4th DE on the depth chart behind a 2019 7th round pick probably isn’t a good sign.

 

To an extent what you say is correct, but again.... it is very rare for a second round DE to be so far down the depth chart that they are listed as a healthy scratch.  Don’t pretend that it’s common, because it isn’t.  I think it’s a bad sign but we’ll see

What depth chart?  The unofficial depth chart published by the Bills media team?  Please don’t read anything into that.  As someone else previously posted the Ravens unofficial depth chart has JK Dobbins listed as their 4th RB, and we know that’s not true.  Jeez.  Relax. 

[BarleyNY]

Oh and then there’s this:

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/bangedupbills.com/2020/09/12/2020-week-1-bills-jets-injury-preview/amp/

 

INACTIVE LIST

This is incredibly tricky due to the fluid nature of the practice squad list. However, there still has to be several inactives.

CB Josh Norman
G Ike Boettger
QB Jake Fromm
RB TJ Yeldon
TE Reggie Gilliam
WR Isaiah McKenzie

 

It would appear that Epenesa will be active for the game. 

[Fan in Chicago]

20 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

Oh and then there’s this:

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/bangedupbills.com/2020/09/12/2020-week-1-bills-jets-injury-preview/amp/

 

INACTIVE LIST

This is incredibly tricky due to the fluid nature of the practice squad list. However, there still has to be several inactives.

CB Josh Norman
G Ike Boettger
QB Jake Fromm
RB TJ Yeldon
TE Reggie Gilliam
WR Isaiah McKenzie

 

It would appear that Epenesa will be active for the game. 

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[Big C]

Nailed it.

[GunnerBill]

Yep. AJ down. Lee Smith also a surprise for me. Suggests not much big personnel in the game plan. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

Uh oh... here comes the “bust” Narrative 

[TroutDog]

Bummer. I’d like to see him play. 

[DuckyBoys]

Kind of disappointed  How is their first pick a healthy scratch?  I guess covid shortened off season didnt help

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

Yep. AJ down. Lee Smith also a surprise for me. Suggests not much big personnel in the game plan. 

with out Lee and DiMarco, I guess they’ll have to rely on Brown and Diggs Downfield 🤷‍♂️ 

 

Just now, DuckyBoys said:

Kind of disappointed  How is their first pick a healthy scratch?  I guess covid shortened off season didnt help

you can mitigate that disappointment if you consider #14 the first pick