The War on Whiteness

[keepthefaith]

2 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

Increase healthcare?  What the ***** does that even mean? 

 

About the only thing missing from policies today are happy endings which one could argue should already be covered under mental health.  We're probably paying for therapy dogs already. 

[keepthefaith]

1 hour ago, ALF said:

 

I'm saying preventive care is more cost effective then hospital care for the uninsured .

 

The best preventative care is people becoming educated on healthy lifestyles and people actually making an effort to live healthier lifestyles.  Most docs don't prevent ***** beyond 5 minutes of advice on a yearly visit and/or throwing some pills at people and sending them on their way. 

[CarpetCrawler]

37 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

By long standing US federal law, the child of a US citizen is a US citizen even if born outside the US unless he or she chooses otherwise by renouncing his or her citizenship.  Since Obama's mother was an American citizen, he is an American citizen by birth regardless of his father's citizenship or where he was born, just as the late John McCain, who was born in the Panama Canal Zone. 

 

A birth certificate is NOT a prerequisite to becoming POTUS,  citizenship is, and no other major party presidential candidate except Obama has ever been even asked to show anybody his/her birth certificate.  None of the POTUS born before 1900 had one, since the recording of births -- and deaths -- by local governmental jurisdictions only began after the Civil War.   Before that, that information might be kept in church baptismal records if the family's church was a denomination that believed in infant baptism but those records could be easily lost in fires, floods or simply the closing of a church.   It's why the practice of recording births and deaths in family Bibles developed in the US.

 

So then are you saying submitting tax returns is a prerequisite to becoming POTUS?

 

 

This reminded me of a great trivia question, who was the first POTUS to be born in a hospital?

Edited July 12, 2020 by CarpetCrawler

[ALF]

1 hour ago, Cinga said:

 

You're right, preventative care is less costly, and that was one of the reasons Obama gave to help reduce the number of people going to the emergency room.

However once the ACA was passed, the opposite happened. Emergency room visits actually increased since it was now covered and didn't require an appointment be made like your doctor office visits did. 

 

If a person walks into a ER that is not an emergency direct them to a immediate care facility.  It's sad if they had primary care coverage but went to a far more expensive ER instead .   jmo

[realtruelove]

15 minutes ago, keepthefaith said:

 

The best preventative care is people becoming educated on healthy lifestyles and people actually making an effort to live healthier lifestyles.  Most docs don't prevent ***** beyond 5 minutes of advice on a yearly visit and/or throwing some pills at people and sending them on their way. 

This a a great post and a great point and it's a reflection of the way many people carry out their daily lives, acting like helpless victims, expecting everyone else to look out for them, advise them, take care of them.   People need to take ownership of all aspects of their lives and their health is right there at the top.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

2 minutes ago, ALF said:

 

If a person walks into a ER that is not an emergency direct them to a immediate care facility.  It's sad if they had primary care coverage but went to a far more expensive ER instead .   jmo

 

...so why the hell should I pay for theirs AND my own?......

[HamSandwhich]

1 hour ago, Rob's House said:

 

I appreciate what you're doing, but Tibs isn't worth engaging. He's an insufferable troll with no interest in honest debate.

I’m aware but talking with people like that and putting the conversation where everyone can see allows people to see all sides. Its good to create a market place of ideas and hope people see the rational side.

[Chef Jim]

33 minutes ago, keepthefaith said:

 

The best preventative care is people becoming educated on healthy lifestyles and people actually making an effort to live healthier lifestyles.  Most docs don't prevent ***** beyond 5 minutes of advice on a yearly visit and/or throwing some pills at people and sending them on their way. 

I’m 59 and probably in the best shape of my life. It’s easy. I get bloodwork done twice a year because I’m on cholesterol meds and have been for 30 years.  The doc always comes in and looks at my chart and says “I got nuthin’. Keep up the good work.”   Other than the insurance I pay $90 a month my medical costs are $20 co-pays twice a year.  Also why I don’t fear the ‘vid at all. 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

1 minute ago, realtruelove said:

This a a great post and a great point and it's a reflection of the way many people carry out their daily lives, acting like helpless victims, expecting everyone else to look out for them, advise them, take care of them.   People need to take ownership of all aspects of their lives and their health is right there at the top.

 

 

...SADLY, that has long gone by the wayside.......personal responsibility/accountability is an afterthought and the proponent of progressive thinking......"WE need to do YOUR thinking because you are incapable"...........so let's level the playing field by punishing the very same group you identified as in "taking ownership of all aspects of their lives"by forcing them/us to bear the burden of those who have NO interest in doing so.......so BILLIONS is public assistance (yes there are those who need some and as long as their initiative is to use that as a temporary stepping stone, I agree: helping those that do want to help themselves is an inducement);...but there are too many in the "gimme crowd"......MAJOR supporters of today's socialism thrust.....

[3rdnlng]

1 hour ago, SoTier said:

 

By long standing US federal law, the child of a US citizen is a US citizen even if born outside the US unless he or she chooses otherwise by renouncing his or her citizenship.  Since Obama's mother was an American citizen, he is an American citizen by birth regardless of his father's citizenship or where he was born, just as the late John McCain, who was born in the Panama Canal Zone. 

 

A birth certificate is NOT a prerequisite to becoming POTUS,  citizenship is, and no other major party presidential candidate except Obama has ever been even asked to show anybody his/her birth certificate.  None of the POTUS born before 1900 had one, since the recording of births -- and deaths -- by local governmental jurisdictions only began after the Civil War.   Before that, that information might be kept in church baptismal records if the family's church was a denomination that believed in infant baptism but those records could be easily lost in fires, floods or simply the closing of a church.   It's why the practice of recording births and deaths in family Bibles developed in the US.

 

The statement above is not exactly truthful. To be eligible to become president a person must have been a citizen at birth. 

[B-Man]

BRUCE BAWER: The Unbearable Whiteness of Being.

 

FTA: 

 

Although I focused in my book on Women’s Studies, Black Studies, ***** Studies, and Chicano Studies, I devoted a few pages to DiAngelo’s then-fledgling field, Whiteness Studies, which, given the current preoccupation with white racism, is now poised for prominence on a level outstripping even those behemoths.

 

There is a key difference between Whiteness Studies and other identity studies: to quote David Horowitz, “Black Studies celebrates blackness, Chicano studies celebrates Chicanos, women’s studies celebrates women, and white studies attacks white people as evil.”

 

Strangely, Whiteness Studies almost didn’t make it.

 

The election of Barack Obama made it difficult for practitioners to assert with a straight face that black Americans were still victims of brutal systemic white racism—the discipline’s principal claim. “Having Obama is, in a curious way, putting us behind,” Eduardo Bonilla-Silva, author of White Supremacy and Racism in the Post-Civil Rights Era and now president of the American Sociological Association, admitted to CNN in 2012.

 

Charles Mills, a distinguished professor of philosophy at CUNY whose books have titles like The Racial Contract, Blackness Visible, and Black Rights/White Wrongs, agreed, lamenting that Obama’s election had fooled many white Americans into thinking the U.S. was now “post-racial.” Among those who had been “fooled” was the African American linguist John McWhorter, now an associate professor at Columbia University, who in a December 2008 article for Forbes pronounced that racism was no longer a serious problem in the U.S.

 

Had this view become more pervasive, it would have been disastrous for Whiteness Studies, whose argument for its own existence is that the poorest white Americans continue to enjoy social and cultural privileges that people like Oprah and Obama don’t.

 

Even if you’re a white person who’s been passed over in college admission, hiring, and/or career advancement because of affirmative action, you’re still, in the view of Whiteness Studies, more privileged than a black person who’s benefited repeatedly from racial preferences.

 

Fortunately for Whiteness Studies advocates, Obama’s presidency proved to be anything but post-racial. He never missed a chance to tell Americans that race relations remained deplorable. That gave Whiteness Studies a shot in the arm.

 

More at the link.......

 

 

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[OldTimeAFLGuy]

2 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

WHAT PRIVILEGE LOOKS LIKE: 

 

Joe Biden’s family racks up arrests for drugs, drunk driving — but no jail time.

 

 

 

 

 

[Orlando Tim]

3 hours ago, SoTier said:

 

By long standing US federal law, the child of a US citizen is a US citizen even if born outside the US unless he or she chooses otherwise by renouncing his or her citizenship.  Since Obama's mother was an American citizen, he is an American citizen by birth regardless of his father's citizenship or where he was born, just as the late John McCain, who was born in the Panama Canal Zone. 

 

A birth certificate is NOT a prerequisite to becoming POTUS,  citizenship is, and no other major party presidential candidate except Obama has ever been even asked to show anybody his/her birth certificate.  None of the POTUS born before 1900 had one, since the recording of births -- and deaths -- by local governmental jurisdictions only began after the Civil War.   Before that, that information might be kept in church baptismal records if the family's church was a denomination that believed in infant baptism but those records could be easily lost in fires, floods or simply the closing of a church.   It's why the practice of recording births and deaths in family Bibles developed in the US.

 

This defense of Obama is so funny vs the attacks on Trump is that Obama gets the benefit of the doubt on a subject that is cut and dry(where he was born) that is a requirement by law to be president and Obama could have put to bed in 10 minutes, while Trump is shamed and ridiculed for not giving his tax returns which every honest person knows is complex and will be torn apart for political advantage. Yet one is guilty because SoTier says so and the other is innocent because we are using a completely different standard.

[ALF]

6 promises Trump has made about health care

By HENRY C. JACKSON 03/13/2017 10:14 PM EDT

No one will lose coverage. There will be insurance for everybody. Healthcare will be a “lot less expensive” for everyone — the government, consumers, providers.

 

‘INSURANCE FOR EVERYBODY’

Before he was sworn in, President Trump made a bold promise: The as-yet-unreleased Obamacare repeal and replacement plan would have “insurance for everybody.”

 

“We’re going to have insurance for everybody,” Trump said in an interview with The Washington Post. “There was a philosophy in some circles that if you can’t pay for it, you don’t get it. That’s not going to happen with us.”

 

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/trump-obamacare-promises-236021

[B-Man]

12 minutes ago, ALF said:

 

 

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/trump-obamacare-promises-236021

 

By HENRY C. JACKSON

 

03/13/2017 

 

 

 

 

[RocCityRoller]

On 7/10/2020 at 2:32 PM, Capco said:

 

No, they cannot.  

 

 

I really dislike blanket statements like this. It feeds into the victimhood mentality continuously pounded into brown and black people's minds. I am brown btw, a Heinz 57 if you will.

 

My mom never owned her own home. Last year I bought a house, in the suburbs with no help. Blanket statements like this poo all over my success. It tells me that a number of people, who supposedly are fighting my fight, are prejudiced. According the them, because I am brown I can't do certain things. Who keeps echoing these kind of statements?

 

I notice that Asians aren't represented above, except I assume being lumped into 'other/ mixed race'. A lot of Asian folks are direct immigrants, or 1st or 2nd born Americans. How many were Cambodians who fled the Khmer Rouge, Vietnamese/ Laotians who fled during their civil war, colonial war with France and then the continuation war with the USA? How many Asian families are Koreans who fled their civil war and the following proxy war? How many are Chinese who fled the Maoist Revolution and the Great Leap Forward?

 

These things happened from 1950-1980. Many of those Asians also faced the red-line practices of the 1950's and 1960's and came just before or after the the Civil Rights Act. Some of the Asian refugees were elites in their country, but most were poor peasants and rural farmers. They moved into inner city ghettos and hoods, it's what they could afford. How many times over the 1970s, 1980s, 1990s did my family watch these families work their way out of those neighborhoods, while my family continued to be renters barely making ends meet? Often the first generation would stay in 'the hood' because the house is paid off, or they have a neighborhood business they want to keep an eye on. But their kids learned a trade or graduated college, got good careers and moved out to the burbs, or moved into boom towns with better opportunities, or into an affluent part of the city.

 

The Asians fleeing horrible situations in their home countries saw the USA inner cities as an opportunity. A place to start and get away from the chaos of their own countries. The first American born generation of kids went to the same schools as black and brown folks. Asians are the most successful or second most successful demographic in anything measured as success.

 

Why is the Asian mentality different from the black or brown mentality?

 

Same neighborhoods, same schools, a minority. Most of the time they don't even speak English when they arrive. Yet a generation or two later the family is mostly out of the 'hood'. Why?

 

We could look at Latin-x families doing the same thing. Escaping civil wars, narco regimes, and generations of poverty and abusive governments.

 

I looked at those folks and tried to figure out what they did to be successful. My family, despite our poverty, never allowed the victim mentality to set in. It took a while, and I had some bumps, but I got there.

 

'Because they can not' is simply not true, and it smacks of prejudice.

Edited July 12, 2020 by RocCityRoller

[Penfield45]

when white males who commit mass shootings get called for what they really are (DOMESTIC TERRORISTS) instead of "mentally ill" then we can talk 

[Rob's House]

Failing to bend the knee is the essence of white supremacy.

 

 

[Chef Jim]

6 minutes ago, Penfield45 said:

when white males who commit mass shootings get called for what they really are (DOMESTIC TERRORISTS) instead of "mentally ill" then we can talk 

Change the title all you want. We likely still won’t care to talk to you.  
 

But seriously which is a bigger problem in this country?  Terrorism or mental illness?  

[B-Man]

 

 

From the lower right hand corner (above)

 

Democrats are pushing the lie that moral value corresponds to skin color. Some races, they tell us, are inherently good. Others are inherently bad.

 

This is the very definition of racism. It’s poison.

 

 

How the F___ is that "white supremacy"  ??