oldmanfan Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 We have to hope Adams and Granato are like Beane and McD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 16 minutes ago, Rico said: Maybe Pegs was able to remove the Curse of Ralph from the Bills, but that force was just too powerful to leave town. I think it might finally happen. I think Pegula thought Kruger and Botteril could be like Beane and McDermott and could do the same thing with the Sabres, except they weren't ( i think Kruger might be one worst coaches ever). Hopefully now Adams and Granato can get the job done. 5 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: We have to hope Adams and Granato are like Beane and McD. I was thinking the same thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChevyVanMiller Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 9 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: We have to hope Adams and Granato are like Beane and McD. That is truly the only hope to be good anytime in the near future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 1 minute ago, ChevyVanMiller said: That is truly the only hope to be good anytime in the near future. I think successful pro sports teams have to have synchrony with the coach and front office. They have to share a philosophy of what type of team they want, so the correct players are brought in to match their vision. The word process gets picked on a lot, but process works. Having a specific mindset for how to build the team and focusing all efforts on that is the only way to move forward, otherwise you just spin your wheels. I think the Pegulas finally get that after finding it with the Bills. I like what I see so far with Adams and Granato. They are going with younger guys, guys who want to be Sabres. They are bringing in some vets to complement and hold down spots until the younger guys take over. Building with the draft vs. high priced FAs. A culture where if you don’t buy in or want to be around, then see ya. Letting guys like Risto and Sam move on was good. They were never going to buy in. Eichel won’t be going for a while, no one will trade for him given his injury and for what Adams rightly will demand. But if he comes to training camp, then Adams and Granato need to make it abundantly clear that he needs to buy in. If not, sit his butt on the bench. And give the C to one who earns it. Next year won’t be a playoff year, but better than last year I’ll bet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 54 minutes ago, Rico said: Maybe Pegs was able to remove the Curse of Ralph from the Bills, but that force was just too powerful to leave town. Does that mean they have to sacrifice a nubile intern to the pagan idol Brandono? 🤔 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 1 minute ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: Does that mean they have to sacrifice a nubile intern to the pagan idol Brandono? 🤔 Couldn’t hurt. I think it’s easier to just take his statue down like Penn State did to Joe-pa. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 1 hour ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: They had all the talent to win but couldn't, they have the money, the facilities but yet they have a losing culture. I thought with Eichel , Rinhardt, Oreiley , Okposo and everyone else we would start winning but it didn't happen and there are lots of explanations going around but i really think Tanking put the losing culture in the locker room and it hasnt left. Its pretty sad that the team that was losing on purpose and had less talent than last years team was a better team. However with Adams and Granato i think we finally have the right guys in there to turn this around, even though they have little experience. Granato understands how that you cant run a team like a dictatorship like 20 years ago and what hes looking for in players that will help them develop faster. With Adams he is showing he is no push over and has candidly stated he isnt trading Eichel for peanuts and he will get the better deal in the long run. He also got good deals for Rinehart and Risto, which i believe bodes well for the Sabres future. All the coaches have been duds and Tim Murray absolutely traded the farm for magic beans. But I agree "Grana-dams" (trademark pending) are moving in the right direction. But they are at rock bottom today. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 1 minute ago, PromoTheRobot said: All the coaches have been duds and Tim Murray absolutely traded the farm for magic beans. But I agree "Grana-dams" (trademark pending) are moving in the right direction. But they are at rock bottom today. i cant blame Murray as im sure he was told to sell the farm, unless it was his idea than he should have been fired then. i bought into the tanking hype thinking it was a good thing. Practically speaking it should work but it doesnt take into account the mental damage that it does to an athlete to become a loser, it goes against everything you want and are taught as a competitor and i believe is what has led us to this knew low despite the talent. Tanking Better never happens again. I wanted McDermott to tank but his first year, but now realize what a mistake that would have been as he never would been able to install his culture and process had he done so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 It's not culture, it's goaltending. They need goaltending. They haven't had a top flight netminder since Miller was shipped out. They only player close to above average in net was the last 2 years of Ullmark, but he got hurt twice. It's really not that different from the nearly 2 decades of mediocrity the Bills went through, as the problem with the Bills was always about the QB but they just couldn't get it right. They were always trying to win without a QB, and the Sabres have been trying to win without goaltending for the past 8 years. Based on their recent front office decisions, it looks like they will continue with that strategy. It's maddening. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 Its bad decisions, not the 2013-2015 'tank'. There is also a culture of losing There are also bad attitudes. There are terrible hires and people with no business in their positions (Adams) Many things combined to make this the worst-run pro sports organization. How come the Astros dont have a 'culture of losing'? Nothing will be fixed until it is fixed. Adams has accomplished nothing but steward one of the worst seasons (again) in franchise history. He failed to anything with goaltending, they had none under contract a little while ago, and signed a 40 year old (I had no idea he was still in the NHL), and a complete nobody sharing a name with the Kingdom on Frozen, both for the league minimum. The organization has 2 modes under Pegula: Go for it at all costs and waste all the cap and burn through assets.... or tear it all down until you hit magma. There is no in between because Pegula is a simpleton and running the show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 21 minutes ago, QCity said: It's not culture, it's goaltending. They need goaltending. They haven't had a top flight netminder since Miller was shipped out. They only player close to above average in net was the last 2 years of Ullmark, but he got hurt twice. It's really not that different from the nearly 2 decades of mediocrity the Bills went through, as the problem with the Bills was always about the QB but they just couldn't get it right. They were always trying to win without a QB, and the Sabres have been trying to win without goaltending for the past 8 years. Based on their recent front office decisions, it looks like they will continue with that strategy. It's maddening. I just cant put goaltenders on the same level as QB as they dictate everything on the field and goalies just need to stop shots, which is very important but not to that level. Also its pretty clear from players who have left the team that there is something wrong team wide just not the goalies. We've had great goalies and still haven't won and when we had the french connection i couldn't even tell you who hte goalie was. To me the players havent been physical enough around the nets nor aggressive enough getting after the puck. Now we just cant have bangers , we need guys who can be aggressive AND score. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Buffalo Barbarian Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 25 minutes ago, May Day 10 said: Its bad decisions, not the 2013-2015 'tank'. There is also a culture of losing There are also bad attitudes. There are terrible hires and people with no business in their positions (Adams) Many things combined to make this the worst-run pro sports organization. How come the Astros dont have a 'culture of losing'? Nothing will be fixed until it is fixed. Adams has accomplished nothing but steward one of the worst seasons (again) in franchise history. He failed to anything with goaltending, they had none under contract a little while ago, and signed a 40 year old (I had no idea he was still in the NHL), and a complete nobody sharing a name with the Kingdom on Frozen, both for the league minimum. The organization has 2 modes under Pegula: Go for it at all costs and waste all the cap and burn through assets.... or tear it all down until you hit magma. There is no in between because Pegula is a simpleton and running the show. I definitely can agree there have been bad decisions and hires and the tank was one of them. I think Adams is doing what he needs to get better right now and i believe they think uka ... Will be the guy and these other guys are just stop gaps until he is ready. You cant blame last year or this mess on Adams as he inherited it but is doing what he can to turn it around and not wasting huge dollars on free agents , which rarely works out, is what he should be doing right now to rebuild. TRading risto and Rinehart were great deals for us and NOT trading Eichel right now is definitely the right move as he will get a better deal from some desperate team who wants to make a Stanley cup run at the trade deadline. There are no guarantees but i believe Adams is making the right moves to make this team a contender. Unfortunately its going to take a couple years to get there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 (edited) Edited July 31, 2021 by BillsFan4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 6 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said: Jack and his agent going scorched earth. Not a smart move. There were already questions about his attitude. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 Eichel and his agents can eat a bag. 2 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 Like he can't play with this "injury" Hell its probably healed by now. Hey Jack is you want to get traded it will go better if you actually play well on the ice. Other teams see your whining and aren't go to want you either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. K Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 I'm not much of a conspiracy theorist but its almost like the NHL wants the team gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 (edited) Eichel can sit for 5 years for all I care. Sabres can not cave here. They have to hold strong and not trade him for a crap return. If I were Adams, I’d tell Eichel to knock off the **** Immediately. Tell him he’s hurting his trade value and if he ever actually wants to be traded to STFU. Because he’s not going anywhere until they get proper value and the more he pulls this crap the longer it’ll take. If what the agents said is true and all these doctors are/were in agreement, Why aren’t they going to injury arbitration anyway? Why handle it through the media? Edited July 31, 2021 by BillsFan4 1 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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