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A Compilation of Some of Josh's Bad? Throws

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5 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

Fahey is trying to build a career as an expert in the way Mel Kiper did.   Just some guy who didn't know anything about football, just a fan, who studied stats and reached conclusions, started writing about his conclusions and observations.  Then he got a job at a recognized outlet.  The guy doesn't know the first thing about being a quarterback.   Not to say he couldn't learn, but that will take decades, not years. 

 

Kiper is completely self-taught.   He doesn't understand what a team's needs are, and he doesn't understand that teams are looking for the best player without regard to need, but his mock drafts repeatedly are based on his perceptions of a team's need.   It's ridiculous.  

Yes, you can put together reels like this on any QB, but it's a lot tougher to do it for Brees or Rodgers than it is for Allen.   For Brees, he rarely seems to be in a hurry; for Rodgers it seems he performs well when he's in a hurry.   For Allen, it translates into a sub-60 completion percentage.  

Which,  goes right into the 2nd part of my point. If thats the cost, thats cool w me. We all want consistency but w a boom or bust player, as long as its on the boom side it is what it is

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10 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

You’re not serious are you?  Tom Freaking Brady just switched teams And got talked about being washed up.  It’s the nature of the position.

 

And Allen gets criticized because he has never been above 60% (which is basically a benchmark for average ) on any level ever.  Despite no incompletion ever being Allen’s fault according to some on this board, he needs to get better. Flat out.  They have a top 5 trio so hopefully the excuses are finally done for the highest drafted qb in franchise history.

 

I am not going to engage here.

 

I will just say..............

 

If you and the other Allen non-believers didn't think that Allen improved significantly from year one to year two..................

 

I don't know what to tell you.

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8 minutes ago, njbuff said:

 

I am not going to engage here.

 

I will just say..............

 

If you and the other Allen non-believers didn't think that Allen improved significantly from year one to year two..................

 

I don't know what to tell you.

 

The Biscuit dude is like the leader of the "Allen non-believers".

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8 hours ago, Billl said:

The pattern I’ve seen from him (which this video reinforces) is that he makes late reads.  Then, he has a tendency to try to make up for it by rushing to get the ball out of his hand in a hurry and ends up flicking it rather than throwing it.  He tucks his right elbow too close to his body.  It’s a little similar to how Lamar throws the ball, honestly.

Because he’s been dead last in completion percentage two seasons in a row.

Allen is never going to be in the upper echelon of the league in completion percentage.... I’m fine with him being around middle of the pack there so long as he is making up for it with big plays.... really need him to get a lot better with his deep ball passes.

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Late bloomer in most senses when it comes to his football acumen, but, he’s smart, mobile, coachable, has incredible arm talent, a leader, a learner, a gamer, competitive, has ideal size, and all the intangibles. As long as he continues to work at it, I think he’s the answer. It’s just not immediate like a few other guys that played in power 5 conferences.

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Mahomes was way off for 3 and half quarters in the Super Bowl, and made a few plays with his rocket arm at the end to take home the title.  Mahomes Super Bowl MVP performance is well within Allen’s reach, and he should be able to surpass that level most games. There will always be huge plays for Allen to make because of his arm and running ability. He just needs to make 1-2 huge plays a game. 

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2 hours ago, njbuff said:

 

I am not going to engage here.

 

I will just say..............

 

If you and the other Allen non-believers didn't think that Allen improved significantly from year one to year two..................

 

I don't know what to tell you.


Honest question. If Allen returned the entire offense from 2019 with zero changes or improvements, other than his own, what do you predict his 2020 stat line is? What metrics are improved and by how much? 
 

(note: none of this is to say he has not improved or will not improve)

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7 minutes ago, Mango said:


Honest question. If Allen returned the entire offense from 2019 with zero changes or improvements, other than his own, what do you predict his 2020 stat line is? What metrics are improved and by how much? 
 

(note: none of this is to say he has not improved or will not improve)

Who cares? Why would anyone waste time pondering a player’s  improvement in a vacuum?

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6 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Who cares? Why would anyone waste time pondering a player’s  improvement in a vacuum?


Because it’s important to get an idea of an individuals progression outside of their supporting cast. 

 

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Just now, Mango said:


Because it’s important to get an idea of an individuals progression outside of their supporting cast. 

 

How did Pat Mahomes’ stats look from 2018-2019 returning basically the same roster?

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16 minutes ago, Mango said:


Because it’s important to get an idea of an individuals progression outside of their supporting cast. 

 

That is just hard to guage when you have players dropping the most passes in the league.

 

I mean.....I get the naysayers..they want Tom Brady type accuracy....I dont know that Josh ever gets to that point BUT it is fair to say that his pass catchers have not been the greatest........then Smoke and Bease come to Buffalo and have career years....to me that DOES say something.

 

He is a work in progress.....he progressed from year one to year to.....as long as he keeps progressing

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7 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

How did Pat Mahomes’ stats look from 2018-2019 returning basically the same roster?


You are dodging the question and shifting the goal posts. But I think you already know that. 
 

To answer your question, his stat line dropped from historically great to MVP conversation. 
 

Again, we should try to get an idea of Josh’s improvements outside of his supporting cast. That isn’t an argument against him actually improving, because he did. It’s not a hard line, and is a worthy point/conversation. 
 

Maybe the better question is, what’s the increased offensive production with the addition of Diggs, and we get the same Josh Allen? Points, yards, etc? 

7 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

That is just hard to guage when you have players dropping the most passes in the league.

 

I mean.....I get the naysayers..they want Tom Brady type accuracy....I dont know that Josh ever gets to that point BUT it is fair to say that his pass catchers have not been the greatest........then Smoke and Bease come to Buffalo and have career years....to me that DOES say something.

 

He is a work in progress.....he progressed from year one to year to.....as long as he keeps progressing


I can get behind most of this. He definitely improved and there were some issues with supporting cast. 
 

I was more just responding to the blanket statement that seemed to come off as, “you’re with Josh or you’re against him”. The offense needs a large leap from a few positions to be mentioned in the conversation of consistantly above average. QB is one of those positions. 

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1 minute ago, Mango said:


You are dodging the question and shifting the goal posts. But I think you already know that. 
 

To answer your question, his stat line dropped from historically great to MVP conversation. 
 

Again, we should try to get an idea of Josh’s improvements outside of his supporting cast. That isn’t an argument against him actually improving, because he did. It’s not a hard line, and is a worthy point/conversation. 
 

Maybe the better question is, what’s the increased offensive production with the addition of Diggs, and we get the same Josh Allen? Points, yards, etc? 

No. You posited a hypothetical wherein Allen returns the 2019 offense in 2020 and wondered what his improvement might be. I responded with an actual example of the best young QB in the league, returning basically the same roster, whose stats did not improve...illustrating my original point that there’s no point in looking for some non-team dependent statistical benchmarks you can point to as a referendum on a QB’s trajectory.

^said point a lot

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Why  bother with all of this nonsense? His ball placement is highly inconsistent even on short throws and a large percentage of his deep balls miss by 10 ' or more. Trust your eyes. Want our receivers to drop fewer passes? Try putting the ball on target. No receiver has an easier time bringing in passes if the ball is poorly placed.

 

Josh Allen is an elite scrambler with great arm strength, but in the pocket, he plays like a backup. That said, he continues to improve. I'm hoping he can do what Tannehill did in Tennessee.  My greatest fear is that he will do just enough to stick around a while and hold this team back like Winston did in Tampa. We have a good coaching staff and I'd hate to lose them because they refuse to part ways with him if his upward trend doesn't take him very far. He's a good person, hard worker and good leader and I'm pulling for him. Keeping my fingers crossed. He has another weapon now, but needs a better OL and TE before he can hit his full potential.

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8 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

No. You posited a hypothetical wherein Allen returns the 2019 offense in 2020 and wondered what his improvement might be. I responded with an actual example of the best young QB in the league, returning basically the same roster, whose stats did not improve...illustrating my original point that there’s no point in looking for some non-team dependent statistical benchmarks you can point to as a referendum on a QB’s trajectory.

^said point a lot


Your big rebuttal (without actually addressing the question) is that Mahomes had an MVP like year after only starting 14 games, was top 10 in every metric, won SB MVP, and that was such a decline from having an MVP year and being top 5 in every metric, with no super bowl....that we shouldn’t try and get an idea of what our young QB’s individual growth/expectations are (outside of added talent) as he tries to establish himself in the NFL? 


This is the hill you are going to die on? Rather than just say, I would expect XYZ after another year of development if all things remain equal?

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2 minutes ago, Mango said:


Your big rebuttal (without actually addressing the question) is that Mahomes had an MVP like year after only starting 14 games, was top 10 in every metric, won SB MVP, and that was such a decline from having an MVP year and being top 5 in every metric, with no super bowl....that we shouldn’t try and get an idea of what our young QB’s individual growth/expectations are (outside of added talent) as he tries to establish himself in the NFL? 


This is the hill you are going to die on? Rather than just say, I would expect XYZ after another year of development if all things remain equal?

Well if we go by Mahomes we can expect little improvement or slight decline with same personnel. 
 

Or we could just admit it’s an exercise in futility. Growth is not linear. Different quarterbacks improve at different rates. 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Well if we go by Mahomes we can expect little improvement or slight decline with same personnel. 
 

Or we could just admit it’s an exercise in futility. Growth is not linear. Different quarterbacks improve at different rates. 

 

 


So don’t be surprised if we don’t see any growth? Because Mahomes went from a historical to elite year? 
 

Or don’t be surprised if we don’t any gains because growth is not linear? 
 

I am just traveling down the path you are taking me on...

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2 minutes ago, Mango said:


So don’t be surprised if we don’t see any growth? Because Mahomes went from a historical to elite year? 
 

Or don’t be surprised if we don’t any gains because growth is not linear? 
 

I am just traveling down the path you are taking me on...

Lol. Are we experiencing roster stasis? Did I say Allen’s career is likely to mirror Mahomes? 

 

I expect Allen to improve with the addition of Diggs and a second year behind the same offensive line, similar as I expected improvement from his rookie to second when they overhauled a bad offensive roster. You want some arbitrary rate of statistical improvement, do it yourself. 

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5 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Lol. Are we experiencing roster stasis? Did I say Allen’s career is likely to mirror Mahomes? 

 

I expect Allen to improve with the addition of Diggs and a second year behind the same offensive line, similar as I expected improvement from his rookie to second when they overhauled a bad offensive roster. You want some arbitrary rate of statistical improvement, do it yourself. 


Quality additions to the conversation per usual...

 

 

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