There should be a national dialogue in getting back to work

[IYKYK]

4 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

Going back to work and precautions are not mutually exclusive.  And your mask study is from 2015.  The CDC right now on their site has about 7 different newer studies supporting mask use.

 

Open businesses with distancing, masks, washing hands.  Do both.  No reason not to.

***** the CDC.  I don't trust those bastards either. Might as well wear a hair net for a mask. You'll get the same results. 

[SoCal Deek]

9 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

.....just ignorantly curious.....what is the impetus to "get back to work" when a segment of the population is making MORE sitting home?........doesn't simple "gozinta math" say stay at home until that gravy runs out?.....we as a construction company, an essential NYS business still in operation, lost 30+ apprentice level employees (and a non-Union to Union convert class) who did the math and saw where they make MORE staying at home......so now I'm faced with force majuere ramifications or delay claims as a trailing trade.....

To quote Nancy...that sounds “inconvenient” for sure. 

[oldmanfan]

57 minutes ago, westside2 said:

***** the CDC.  I don't trust those bastards either. Might as well wear a hair net for a mask. You'll get the same results. 

Of course.  Let’s not trust anyone.  That will help us beat the virus.

[SoCal Deek]

12 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Of course.  Let’s not trust anyone.  That will help us beat the virus.

This shocks you? This is the natural result of russiagate, fake news CNN, and the complete erosion of public trust. 

[Q-baby!]

46 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

.....just ignorantly curious.....what is the impetus to "get back to work" when a segment of the population is making MORE sitting home?........doesn't simple "gozinta math" say stay at home until that gravy runs out?.....we as a construction company, an essential NYS business still in operation, lost 30+ apprentice level employees (and a non-Union to Union convert class) who did the math and saw where they make MORE staying at home......so now I'm faced with force majuere ramifications or delay claims as a trailing trade.....

Pay more! 

[oldmanfan]

8 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

This shocks you? This is the natural result of russiagate, fake news CNN, and the complete erosion of public trust. 

What is needed right now is for the country and it’s people to pull together and not apart.

[Boatdrinks]

2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

What is needed right now is for the country and it’s people to pull together and not apart.

Not really. What is needed is to trust no one...assume everyone near you could be carrying Covid 19 and a. Wash your hands frequently b. Maintain your distance from others c.  Don’t touch your face  d. If you must cough, sneeze and can’t control it, turn away and do so into your elbow. That will help more than platitudes about “ togetherness”  etc etc. 

[oldmanfan]

1 minute ago, Boatdrinks said:

Not really. What is needed is to trust no one...assume everyone near you could be carrying Covid 19 and a. Wash your hands frequently b. Maintain your distance from others c.  Don’t touch your face  d. If you must cough, sneeze and can’t control it, turn away and do so into your elbow. That will help more than platitudes about “ togetherness”  etc etc. 

I would say it this way:  I trust my neighbor cares enough about me to follow precautions, and my neighbor can trust me to do the same.

[Boatdrinks]

Just now, oldmanfan said:

I would say it this way:  I trust my neighbor cares enough about me to follow precautions, and my neighbor can trust me to do the same.

Trust no one. 

[Magox]

Excellent take by Zakaria.   It’s only 5 minutes.  I think it’s worth listening to

 

 

[Deranged Rhino]

43 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

What is needed right now is for the country and it’s people to pull together and not apart.

The only way that can happen is to expose and destroy the elements that have been intentionally dividing us for decades. 

[RochesterRob]

15 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

The only way that can happen is to expose and destroy the elements that have been intentionally dividing us for decades. 

  And anybody that says that those elements do not exist or cannot be found here are liars or are ignorant.

[spartacus]

4 hours ago, westside2 said:

***** the CDC.  I don't trust those bastards either. Might as well wear a hair net for a mask. You'll get the same results. 

this is correct

the virus is a nano spec particle visible only by electron microscope

even the N95 mask will not stop particles in or out

 

so cloth masks are about as effective as a hairnet in stopping transmission of the virus

worse, reusable cloth masks which collect viru particles, serve as a breading ground for the virus which speeds the spread much fsate than without a mask

[Walking Tall]

The door for the argument to stay closed is shutting fast.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.yahoo.com/amphtml/health-secretary-no-spike-coronavirus-174311456.html

 

 

Edited May 17, 2020 by Beast

[B-Man]

 

ROGER KIMBALL: With Pandemic, Societal Hallucination Yields Real Misery.

 

The time is not far off when we will wake from this societal hallucination. We will then wonder why we were prevailed upon to commit collective suicide because of a disease that affected mostly the elderly and infirm and whose lethality was that of a bad flu.

 

To the enraged question “Who did this to us?” the sad but truthful answer will be, “We did it to ourselves.”

 

 

Read the whole thing.

 

 

 

 

[Boatdrinks]

22 minutes ago, spartacus said:

this is correct

the virus is a nano spec particle visible only by electron microscope

even the N95 mask will not stop particles in or out

 

so cloth masks are about as effective as a hairnet in stopping transmission of the virus

worse, reusable cloth masks which collect viru particles, serve as a breading ground for the virus which speeds the spread much fsate than without a mask

And most people find masks uncomfortable , so they inevitably touch their faces multiple times and touch the mask while adjusting it. Amazing that gloves were immediately dismissed as ineffective by the media after their flaws were pointed out.  However, Fauci’s  original take on masks was similar to the issues brought up with gloves,( right down to providing a “ false sense of security)  and he said they weren’t needed. 

[B-Man]

CHARLIE BAKER’S CORONAVIRUS STRATEGY: Fiddle, make Massachusetts wait.

 

Clueless Democrats want Gov. Charlie Baker to keep the state’s economy shuttered and they will probably get most of their wish granted when Baker unveils his coronavirus reopening plan Monday.

 

Don’t expect much out of Baker — he’s made clear he wants no part of a quick restart.

 

And Baker has purposely made any details of his plans secret, giving businesses like restaurants no head start on how they might plan to open their doors again. The confusion and consternation caused by Baker’s super-cautious reticence has made predicting what might happen a guessing game.

 

A half-dozen Democratic legislators petitioned the Republican governor last week to extend the state’s stay-at-home advisory past May 18. The Republican governor is more in line with them than the thousands of business owners clamoring for a reopening.

 

 

 

 

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[Doc Brown]

3 hours ago, Boatdrinks said:

Not really. What is needed is to trust no one...assume everyone near you could be carrying Covid 19 and a. Wash your hands frequently b. Maintain your distance from others c.  Don’t touch your face  d. If you must cough, sneeze and can’t control it, turn away and do so into your elbow. That will help more than platitudes about “ togetherness”  etc etc. 

Together, we should all make this a priority.

[DrW]

1 hour ago, spartacus said:

 

 

so cloth masks are about as effective as a hairnet in stopping transmission of the virus

worse, reusable cloth masks which collect viru particles, serve as a breading ground for the virus which speeds the spread much fsate than without a mask

 

So, your first argument is that masks cannot stop spreading of the virus. Then you argue that the mask will collect virus particles. If the latter is true, it will stop spreading the virus.

[Chef Jim]

54 minutes ago, B-Man said:

CHARLIE BAKER’S CORONAVIRUS STRATEGY: Fiddle, make Massachusetts wait.

 

Clueless Democrats want Gov. Charlie Baker to keep the state’s economy shuttered and they will probably get most of their wish granted when Baker unveils his coronavirus reopening plan Monday.

 

Don’t expect much out of Baker — he’s made clear he wants no part of a quick restart.

 

And Baker has purposely made any details of his plans secret, giving businesses like restaurants no head start on how they might plan to open their doors again. The confusion and consternation caused by Baker’s super-cautious reticence has made predicting what might happen a guessing game.

 

A half-dozen Democratic legislators petitioned the Republican governor last week to extend the state’s stay-at-home advisory past May 18. The Republican governor is more in line with them than the thousands of business owners clamoring for a reopening.

 

 

 

 

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This whole keeping businesses in the dark is a B word. Sure they don’t know or have a lot of answers but how involved are the business communities involved in the decision making?