Gary M Posted April 24, 2020 Posted April 24, 2020 5 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: Between Cuomo's sound bites and what little I hear from a relative in a county health department (can't say which one) I am expecting that there will be a shutdown again towards the end of October. Cuomo will up the wattage on his push for mail in voting. Makes no sense NY would never be a Trump state.
Boatdrinks Posted April 24, 2020 Posted April 24, 2020 5 minutes ago, Gary M said: Makes no sense NY would never be a Trump state. True, but little that Cuomo does or says makes sense.
RochesterRob Posted April 24, 2020 Posted April 24, 2020 5 minutes ago, Gary M said: Makes no sense NY would never be a Trump state. The Dems want to minimize the chance of a GOP Governor in NY and get rid of an already dwindling number of GOP congress people. NY west of the Hudson River would already be partially open if a GOP Governor was calling the shots plus make a Dem Mayor of NYC less effective in terms of criticism of high ranking Republicans. Face it. NY is the Democratic Showcase for what they hope to do on a national level.
RiotAct Posted April 24, 2020 Posted April 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Boatdrinks said: Hopefully we will be. Cuomo will fight it tooth and nail, of course. He’s about to roll out his new plan “ 500 days to bend the slowdown of the curve’s peak” complete with visuals reassuring us how short the lockdown is compared to the Crusades. don’t forget about how balanced the state’s budget was before evil racist Trump denied the states all their $$$$$$. 1
Boatdrinks Posted April 24, 2020 Posted April 24, 2020 22 minutes ago, Tiberius said: President Donald Trump and Vice President Mike Pence repeatedly told Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp that they approved of his aggressive plan to allow businesses to reopen, just a day before Trump pulled an about-face and publicly bashed the plan, according to two administration officials. The green light from Pence and Trump came in separate private conversations with the Republican governor both before Kemp announced his plan to ease coronavirus restrictions and after it was unveiled on Monday, the officials said. Trump’s sudden shift came only after top health advisers reviewed the plan more closely and persuaded the president that Kemp was risking further spread of the virus by moving too quickly. https://apnews.com/a031d395d414ffa655fdc65e6760d6a0 ? Lol, what a crock of BS. Which is it now? Isn’t the goal to “ slow the spread” or is it to stop it completely ( that’s not going to happen) ? You don’t even know, do you Tibs? Here in BUF, a local news channel had a quote from an area doctor saying the early antibody testing data was “ disappointing”. He said you “ would hope there would be a higher rate of infection.”So which is it ? Herd immunity doesn’t happen when the population at large is shut in and shut down. Libs just want to tank the economy beyond repair, even though the vast majority of people won’t have an extreme reaction to Coronavirus. It seems the original goal has somehow shifted into preventing anyone anywhere from contracting Coronavirus, which isn’t realistic or even possible. 2
RochesterRob Posted April 24, 2020 Posted April 24, 2020 58 minutes ago, Magox said: Came across a fact based opinion article today. The data is in, stop the panic - end the total isolation Data set 1 Data set 2 The data is showing that the targeted social distancing measures is the way to move forward. Months of social distancing will be the death of quite a number of businesses including retail stores and restaurants. 1
Magox Posted April 24, 2020 Author Posted April 24, 2020 3 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: It's becoming evidently clear that the battle lines have already been drawn. The States that are ready to begin phasing in the workforce which generally speaking are the red states vs the states that are pumping the brakes on opening up the economy. Let's cut through the B.S and call it for what it is, it's political. Trump is eager to open up and his opponents want to do the opposite under the pretext of "we need more testing". If the red states truly believe in the data, they should lead the way. Which it appears they will be doing. And we'll see which camp ends up being right. But the states leading the way need to be prepared for the onslaught of negative media coverage that they will receive. No matter what happens, the media will highlight every single death and blame it on them. So they need to have their arguments and data ready to counterpunch in a sustained matter to push back against the media's claims. But before they do that, the governors that are leading the way should define success before the media and the left define what failure looks like. 3
Boatdrinks Posted April 24, 2020 Posted April 24, 2020 16 minutes ago, Magox said: It's becoming evidently clear that the battle lines have already been drawn. The States that are ready to begin phasing in the workforce which generally speaking are the red states vs the states that are pumping the brakes on opening up the economy. Let's cut through the B.S and call it for what it is, it's political. Trump is eager to open up and his opponents want to do the opposite under the pretext of "we need more testing". If the red states truly believe in the data, they should lead the way. Which it appears they will be doing. And we'll see which camp ends up being right. But the states leading the way need to be prepared for the onslaught of negative media coverage that they will receive. No matter what happens, the media will highlight every single death and blame it on them. So they need to have their arguments and data ready to counterpunch in a sustained matter to push back against the media's claims. But before they do that, the governors that are leading the way should define success before the media and the left define what failure looks like. I still haven’t heard anyone who says we need more testing explain exactly how it would be done ,what they’d like to accomplish with it, and how it would be implemented. Seems to be a red herring... 1
unbillievable Posted April 24, 2020 Posted April 24, 2020 28 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: Months of social distancing will be the death of quite a number of businesses including retail stores and restaurants. I don't see movie theaters recovering either. 1 1
Deranged Rhino Posted April 24, 2020 Posted April 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, unbillievable said: I don't see movie theaters recovering either. They were already dying too. This is a major issue for the industry. 1 1
Magox Posted April 24, 2020 Author Posted April 24, 2020 1 minute ago, Boatdrinks said: I still haven’t heard anyone who says we need more testing explain exactly how it would be done ,what they’d like to accomplish with it, and how it would be implemented. Seems to be a red herring... The Taskforce including Fauci and Birx have already said that there is enough testing for phase 1 but Fauci doesn't believe there is enough for beyond that. The argument that some medical experts make is that there has to be enough testing for anyone who wants one and to test asymptomatic people. Not sure how you test the asymptomatic people especially if they don't know that they are infected. I would imagine pretty soon the total number of newly infected people will plummet. That's my hunch. And once that number is at a much lower baseline it will be much easier to test everyone who requests one. I would think as long as they have enough to test everyone who requests one and all medical providers and people at highest risk such as nursing homes, that should be enough. Right now they are conducting about 200k a day and my guess is that by the time July rolls around that capacity will be close to 400k tests a day. Another way that they can make a determination of infection rates are the percentage of people testing positive on the tests being conducted. It's not a perfect science but it's a pretty good indicator. Like in NY, over 25% of the tests that are being conducted people are testing positive. Whereas where I live in Brevard county, a county of 600k people residents have had 235 people who have tested positive with 6300 tests conducted. Which is less than 4% of the people who have had a test conducted tested positive. What I'm saying is that the lower the percentage of people who have had tests done are testing positive that strongly implies that there are less people infected per capita. These states that are balking based on not enough testing can also use this as a data point.
Rob's House Posted April 24, 2020 Posted April 24, 2020 This prolonged and seemingly perpetual shutdown has become irresponsible and inhumane. The Uber sanctimonious crowd demanding strict compliance with these absurd lockdown orders are the worst humans among us. As a hunch, most of them are not deeply affected, being either independently wealthy, still employed, or living on a government check. I seriously doubt many of them are watching their life's work burn before their eyes. Their plan, to the extent they have one, seems to be to live in seclusion until the end of time or discovery of miracle cure, whichever comes first. The latter may well come, but it's entirely likely that it doesn't. As per usual, those who believe they stand on insurmountable moral high ground are most often in the moral basement. Unwillingness to face hard decisions is not a virtue. I kind of understand wrt unavoidably crowded venues like theaters, arenas, and airplanes, but ~70% of what's shutdown should be reopened yesterday. We all know what precautions to take. We're going to Walmart and Home Depot without a problem. Why can't we go to department stores and restaurants?Why can't we get a goddamn haircut? Why are the bowling alleys, golf courses, and parks off limits? We all know to keep our distance and take reasonable precautions. This is no longer necessary. And to the self-aggrandizing douchebag who asks in his cucked out whiney voice "would you let someone die just to avoid national financial devastation," I'll tell you what I really think. Motherfuker, I would watch you die for a Big Mac. 1 1 3
Trump_is_Mentally_fit Posted April 24, 2020 Posted April 24, 2020 9 minutes ago, Rob's House said: This prolonged and seemingly perpetual shutdown has become irresponsible and inhumane. The Uber sanctimonious crowd demanding strict compliance with these absurd lockdown orders are the worst humans among us. As a hunch, most of them are not deeply affected, being either independently wealthy, still employed, or living on a government check. I seriously doubt many of them are watching their life's work burn before their eyes. Their plan, to the extent they have one, seems to be to live in seclusion until the end of time or discovery of miracle cure, whichever comes first. The latter may well come, but it's entirely likely that it doesn't. As per usual, those who believe they stand on insurmountable moral high ground are most often in the moral basement. Unwillingness to face hard decisions is not a virtue. I kind of understand wrt unavoidably crowded venues like theaters, arenas, and airplanes, but ~70% of what's shutdown should be reopened yesterday. We all know what precautions to take. We're going to Walmart and Home Depot without a problem. Why can't we go to department stores and restaurants?Why can't we get a goddamn haircut? Why are the bowling alleys, golf courses, and parks off limits? We all know to keep our distance and take reasonable precautions. This is no longer necessary. And to the self-aggrandizing douchebag who asks in his cucked out whiney voice "would you let someone die just to avoid national financial devastation," I'll tell you what I really think. Motherfuker, I would watch you die for a Big Mac. “And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out, in a minute. Is there a way we can do something like that? By injection, inside, or almost a cleaning, because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it would be interesting to check that. You’re going to have to use medical doctors, right? But it sounds interesting to me.”
B-Man Posted April 24, 2020 Posted April 24, 2020 Aaahhhh. Partial quotes, the sign of desperation. Meanwhile, back at the thread.......... Vermont gives greenlight to work crews under 5 MONTPELIER, Vt. (WCAX) Vermont Governor Phil Scott Friday further loosened stay-at-home restrictions by allowing small work crews with less than five people to return to work. As of Friday, Vermont health officials reported 827 coronavirus cases in the state and 44 deaths. Vermont officials say there is now "no room for doubt" that the state reached its peak and that the number of new cases allows for more people to go back to work as long as they follow strict guidelines. Friday's order allows small crews of under five workers can do outdoor work or work in unoccupied spaces. Manufacturing can resume with a maximum of five employees if they can keep workers six-feet apart. Outdoor retail facilities like garden centers can open, but no more than ten people including customers or staff are permitted at a time. https://www.wcax.com/content/news/Who-gets-to-go-to-work-next-Scott-expected-to-turn-spigot-Friday-569900381.html 2
ALF Posted April 24, 2020 Posted April 24, 2020 16 minutes ago, Rob's House said: This prolonged and seemingly perpetual shutdown has become irresponsible and inhumane. The Uber sanctimonious crowd demanding strict compliance with these absurd lockdown orders are the worst humans among us. As a hunch, most of them are not deeply affected, being either independently wealthy, still employed, or living on a government check. I seriously doubt many of them are watching their life's work burn before their eyes. Their plan, to the extent they have one, seems to be to live in seclusion until the end of time or discovery of miracle cure, whichever comes first. The latter may well come, but it's entirely likely that it doesn't. As per usual, those who believe they stand on insurmountable moral high ground are most often in the moral basement. Unwillingness to face hard decisions is not a virtue. I kind of understand wrt unavoidably crowded venues like theaters, arenas, and airplanes, but ~70% of what's shutdown should be reopened yesterday. We all know what precautions to take. We're going to Walmart and Home Depot without a problem. Why can't we go to department stores and restaurants?Why can't we get a goddamn haircut? Why are the bowling alleys, golf courses, and parks off limits? We all know to keep our distance and take reasonable precautions. This is no longer necessary. And to the self-aggrandizing douchebag who asks in his cucked out whiney voice "would you let someone die just to avoid national financial devastation," I'll tell you what I really think. Motherfuker, I would watch you die for a Big Mac. 26 Governors are republican , Trump should be able to convince them to end most of the shutdown ? 1
RochesterRob Posted April 24, 2020 Posted April 24, 2020 24 minutes ago, ALF said: 26 Governors are republican , Trump should be able to convince them to end most of the shutdown ? How are they going to end the shutdown in NY? In Michigan?
Rob's House Posted April 24, 2020 Posted April 24, 2020 8 minutes ago, ALF said: 26 Governors are republican , Trump should be able to convince them to end most of the shutdown ? I'm tired of people obsessing over politics through this. It really illustrates the extent to which our political affiliations are the irrational product of a primal instinct that served us well in primitive times, but has not evolved as fast as society has and is now greatly detrimental. Politics is supposed to be about selecting the people and policies with the goal of achieving the best outcomes. Now it's reversed and seems the goal is to "win" regardless of outcome. We're dealing with a serious threat to life and prosperity, both short and long term, on a scale not seen in generations, and far too many people are more concerned with how it will affect a political party that doesn't give a sh|t if they live or die. 2 1
ALF Posted April 24, 2020 Posted April 24, 2020 42 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: How are they going to end the shutdown in NY? In Michigan? The fear for both parties is not to overwhelm the hospital systems. No way the shutdown can end in hotspots. I agree it could be loosened in less affected areas. Even in sparse states meat packing plants are being hit hard. They don't have a handle on this yet.
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