3rdnlng Posted March 23, 2020 Author Share Posted March 23, 2020 11 minutes ago, Tiberius said: I agree. But the people should get money without restrictions, the businesses on the other hand have to use the money in the public interest and not to hand out huge bonuses to their CEOs. And no way should Trump control half a trillion dollars to do as he pleases, that's right out. You are listening to liars who have to lie to hide their true intentions, which are to advance a completely unrelated series of separate agendas. There are provisions preventing salaries and bonuses to exceed $450k and what you are calling a slush fund is not that, but a well controlled fund with specific parameters and subject to the light of day. Instead of listening to people who lie for a living why don't you bother to look into these things yourself? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 5 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: You are listening to liars who have to lie to hide their true intentions, which are to advance a completely unrelated series of separate agendas. There are provisions preventing salaries and bonuses to exceed $450k and what you are calling a slush fund is not that, but a well controlled fund with specific parameters and subject to the light of day. Instead of listening to people who lie for a living why don't you bother to look into these things yourself? Be quiet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 i think it quite telling how a paid leftist operative has endeavored to disrupt this thread all day long. you know when that happens we are most likely right over the target. Nancy is going to lose not only this fight but the larger one come November as well.. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Foxx said: a paid leftist operative C'mon, your DR is showing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said: Let's begin to set the table for alternative voting procedures for the senators in quarantine..if millions of Americans can be forced to work from home, the public will be agreeable to this sort of thing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 Pelosi making sure election security from virus fears are addressed Quote That pro-democracy piece, according to a summary of the bill being circulated by House Democratic aides, contains these provisions: It mandates that states and jurisdictions set up a process by which any eligible voter can vote by mail if he or she chooses — and would not require voters to give any rationale for doing so. Such voters would be provided with a postage-prepaid, self-sealing envelope. If any state or jurisdiction declares an emergency, they would be required to automatically mail absentee ballots to all registered voters, no later than two weeks before Election Day. It requires states and jurisdictions to implement at least 15 consecutive days of early voting in federal elections. It mandates that states and jurisdictions create a same-day voter registration option for all eligible voters. It budgets $4 billion for states to implement these changes, in keeping with a recent Brennan Center analysis that recommended that any coronavirus response legislation include at least $2 billion to protect the election. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/03/23/democrats-throw-down-gauntlet-vote-by-mail/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdutton Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Tiberius said: Pelosi making sure election security from virus fears are addressed https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/03/23/democrats-throw-down-gauntlet-vote-by-mail/ Why attach this to a stimulus package in March when the election is in November and its very likely that life will be back to normal. This is nothing more than a dem power grab. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 1 minute ago, bdutton said: Why attach this to a stimulus package in March when the election is in November and its very likely that life will be back to normal. This is nothing more than a dem power grab. Thanks for admitting that allowing people to vote is a Democratic power grab. Because, it really is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdutton Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Tiberius said: Thanks for admitting that allowing people to vote is a Democratic power grab. Because, it really is. Your are an idiot. * DC Tom bot 2.1 * 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 Just now, bdutton said: Your are an idiot. * DC Tom bot 2.1 * I'm just correct and you are frustrated and angry about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 50 minutes ago, Gary Busey said: C'mon, your DR is showing. i mean... you can view his postings, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted March 23, 2020 Author Share Posted March 23, 2020 13 minutes ago, bdutton said: Why attach this to a stimulus package in March when the election is in November and its very likely that life will be back to normal. This is nothing more than a dem power grab. They want to be able to harvest votes just like they do in CA. I can guarantee you that everything they propose is the same as allowing the camel to put its nose under the tent. Sooner or later you'll be fighting with that camel for the blanket. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 Pelosi’s So-Called Coronavirus Bill Filled With Pork, Over-Reaching Government by Mary Chastain What do a bailout for the post office and a diverse corporate board have to do with the coronavirus pandemic? Democrats Once Again Defeat Procedural Vote on Coronavirus Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 6 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: They want to be able to harvest votes just like they do in CA. I can guarantee you that everything they propose is the same as allowing the camel to put its nose under the tent. Sooner or later you'll be fighting with that camel for the blanket. Yup, how evil, making sure the people can vote. Thanks for showing your true colors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 I suppose that it would be a waste of time to try to explain to Tibsy that "ballot harvesting" (which the left is pushing) is pretty much the opposite of "one person - one vote. DEMOCRATS GOTTA DEMOCRAT One might hope that this stunt will have the same effect as the Democrats’ freak show over Brett Kavanaugh before the 2018 mid-term election (at least two defeated Democratic senators blame the backlash against their Kavanaugh antics for their defeats). Meanwhile, amidst the chorus of liberal and media voices who are now telling us how President Pantsuit would have handled the crisis better, let’s roll some tape just what liberals and the media were saying about some of Trump’s earliest moves, like the China travel ban: . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Taro T said: DR, do you have a link to the House's (or the Senate D's) bill? Couldn't find it on the house.gov website. You usually seem to find these pretty effectively. TIA. Let me take a look, I thought it was floating around in those earlier threads... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 The next time someone tries to tell you the media has no bias... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 ROGER KIMBALL: The Democrats just made a huge mistake — They are exploiting a national emergency for the grubbiest of partisan motives. Or as America’s Paper of Record notes: Democrats Worried Stimulus Bill Would Stimulate Economy.......? Democrats are counting on their party operatives with bylines to spin this for them and/or for the past two days to be forgotten by November — and in both cases, they could be right. . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 5 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said: The next time someone tries to tell you the media has no bias... Shut. Them. Down. They do more harm than good to the nation. Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 I know y'all hate the free press but it literally says Opinion. Editorials are nothing new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 But sure, it is Mitch's fault. 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 And Nancy's daughter is a sweetheart too! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Gal said: And Nancy's daughter is a sweetheart too! He's got a point. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoudyBills Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 21 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Shut. Them. Down. They do more harm than good to the nation. Period. Might be getting close to time for real action. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bockeye Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 34 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Yup, how evil, making sure the people can vote. Thanks for showing your true colors. Adding on chit like this with what is going on - yes, pure evil. There definitely needs to be controls on the $ for corporations. There definitely needs to be more $ for unemployment and hospitals. Those are the issues both parties should be negotiating and you know it. She is holding America hostage at the moment adding these things on. Pure idiocy. Sadly, if she keeps holding off on signing the bill, the class division within this country will magnify greatly. Small businesses will fall by the wayside and their market share will be scooped up by large business. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 20 minutes ago, Gary Busey said: I know y'all hate the free press but it literally says Opinion. Editorials are nothing new. is it really opinion though? do they give an equal amount of press to say, a conservative point of view? you should be able to point me to the dissenting opinion to that article, right? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bockeye Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 22 minutes ago, Gary Busey said: I know y'all hate the free press but it literally says Opinion. Editorials are nothing new. I'm not sure we have any media without opinion these days. Literally everything has an opinion or slant. The fact we don't just receive the FACTS is whats new in this country. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoudyBills Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: I'm just correct and you are frustrated and angry about it What we need now is bipartisanship. So, on that note, I will swing by tomorrow to help you swap out urinal pucks at the laundry shop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 1 hour ago, bdutton said: Why attach this to a stimulus package in March when the election is in November and its very likely that life will be back to normal. This is nothing more than a dem power grab. The stock market is screaming that things will not be back to normal by November... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 The Dems are actively doing everything in their power to destroy the economy and don't give a solitary ***** about the 10s of millions of people who will suffer as a result of their actions. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Rob's House said: The Dems are actively doing everything in their power to destroy the economy and don't give a solitary ***** about the 10s of millions of people who will suffer as a result of their actions. Both sides are guilty of playing politics. The Dems are pushing through overly socialist policies, and the Republicans aren't backing down from corporate bailouts (they won't give up giving Mnuchin a $500 billion fund to bailout businesses and not having to disclose who was bailed out until 6 months from now). The deal both sides are angling for is horrible. Edited March 23, 2020 by jrober38 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 6 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Both sides are guilty of playing politics. The Dems are pushing through overly socialist policies, and the Republicans aren't backing down from corporate bailouts (they won't give up giving Mnuchin a $500 billion fund to bailout businesses and not having to disclose who was bailed out until 6 months from now). The deal both sides are angling for is horrible. I’m going to disagree. You can dispense money to every taxpayer (worker) pretty simply but you can’t have the corporate piece decided by some congressional committee. That side of the economic solution has to be done by the Administration or it’ll take a hundred years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 Just now, SoCal Deek said: I’m going to disagree. You can dispense money to every taxpayer (worker) pretty simply but you can’t have the corporate piece decided by some congressional committee. That side of the economic solution has to be done by the Administration or it’ll take a hundred years. Playing Devil's advocate it presents a great opportunity for Republicans to bail out their donors. The fact that payments don't need to be disclosed for 6 months is highly suspicious. It's like they don't want people to know who got the bail outs until right around the election or something... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Playing Devil's advocate it presents a great opportunity for Republicans to bail out their donors. The fact that payments don't need to be disclosed for 6 months is highly suspicious. It's like they don't want people to know who got the bail outs until right around the election or something... Then have the Democrats write in something that cures that concern....otherwise sit back and wait for the virus to kill the hostages! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 Just now, SoCal Deek said: Then have the Democrats write in something that cures that concern....otherwise sit back and wait for the virus to kill the hostages! Agreed. As I said in my first post, BOTH sides are to blame. The Dems are asking for too much socially, and the GOP is asking for another corporate bailout package. In this case their bailout package is a secret, and we'll find out who received the funds right around or probably just after the election which as a proposal is absurd. Both sides are playing politics. It's a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 1 minute ago, jrober38 said: Agreed. As I said in my first post, BOTH sides are to blame. The Dems are asking for too much socially, and the GOP is asking for another corporate bailout package. In this case their bailout package is a secret, and we'll find out who received the funds right around or probably just after the election which as a proposal is absurd. Both sides are playing politics. It's a joke. Again, I think you’re over simplifying the business side. It’s WAY HARDER than just sending people cash. I’m actually glad they won’t know where the money is slated to go. As a business owner myself, it’s simply impossible for anyone to know how each came into this government mandated mess, or how/if they’ll come out. I’d be pissed if they handed every business a check. Some have not suffered, and some have actually had a field day! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 5 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Again, I think you’re over simplifying the business side. It’s WAY HARDER than just sending people cash. I’m actually glad they won’t know where the money is slated to go. As a business owner myself, it’s simply impossible for anyone to know how each came into this government mandated mess, or how/if they’ll come out. I’d be pissed if they handed every business a check. Some have not suffered, and some have actually had a field day! If you think they'll be sending small businesses a cheque I dunno what to tell you. The odds of that happening, and all the money not going to massive corporations seems slim to none. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, jrober38 said: If you think they'll be sending small businesses a cheque I dunno what to tell you. The odds of that happening, and all the money not going to massive corporations seems slim to none. yes, small businesses are loan eligible (which may become a forgivable loan). Phase 2 i think it was?? Edited March 23, 2020 by Foxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 11 minutes ago, Foxx said: yes, small businesses are loan eligible (which may become a forgivable loan). Phase 2 i think it was?? There's actually provisions for that in the Phase 3 bill that was voted down last night for those SBA Loans to be forgivable (aka grants) in the Division A - Small Business Interruption Loans provisions. (Thanks to @DerangedRhino for posting that last night.) That is probably the single greatest portion of the Phase 3 package (if it ever passes). Those funds are supposed to be available until the end of June and could go miles towards keeping businesses that are currently getting crushed like restaurants and barbershop viable and their employees able to pay their bills. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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