inthebuff Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 (edited) On ESPN it's been All Brady All the Time, however, they posed an interesting question on one of those yelling shows (as the lady of the house calls them)... Now that Tommy Boy is in Tampa...which team wins more games in 2020? The Brady-less Pats or TB led TB? Edited March 18, 2020 by inthebuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 Belichick > Brady but Bucs > Pats 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 I think neither to be honest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franco_92 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 Buccs will win 10-11 Pats will win between 6 and 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, arcane said: Buccs will win 10-11 Pats will win between 6 and 9 10-11 for the Bucs is being kind of generous. They still have to play against New Orleans and Atlanta. And we don’t know well a 43 year old QB is going to play in a entirely new system plus he’s playing with a whole new WR Corps he’s never thrown to before. There is definitely going to be a lot of growing pains. Your Pats prediction is more realistic although I say 5-6 wins for the pats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franco_92 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: 10-11 for the Bucs is being kind of generous. They still have to play against New Orleans and Atlanta. And we don’t know well a 43 year old QB is going to play in a entirely new system plus he’s playing with a whole new WR Corps he’s never thrown to before. There is definitely going to be a lot of growing pains. Your Pats prediction is more realistic although I say 5-6 wins for the pats I read that the Buccs lost 7 games by one score, in which Winston had 18 turnovers. I think with league average QB play they are a very solid team and Brady's brain is what drove his success more than his body, so I think it's gonna be fun to watch (and finally harmless to the Bills) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLEN1QB Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 I say the win 2 games each Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 15 minutes ago, arcane said: I read that the Buccs lost 7 games by one score, in which Winston had 18 turnovers. I think with league average QB play they are a very solid team and Brady's brain is what drove his success more than his body, so I think it's gonna be fun to watch (and finally harmless to the Bills) Yeah I think Tampa is a playoff team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 Both will be sub .500. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 Tampa will win 10 games. The team around him is too good, and they have to focus on the secondary to be very good in the draft this year. That is their Achilles heal now that Winston picketer is gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 Until we know who the Patriots QB will be - no guess can be made. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 Brady sucks when playing in Miami. Maybe the same will apply in Tampa . 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 The Bucs are absolutely loaded. The NFC is tough but they're good for 11 wins. Depends who plays QB for the Pats but I have a hard time seeing them getting to 11 wins regardless. I would go with the Bucs and it's not particularly close. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, metzelaars_lives said: The Bucs are absolutely loaded. The NFC is tough but they're good for 11 wins. Depends who plays QB for the Pats but I have a hard time seeing them getting to 11 wins regardless. I would go with the Bucs and it's not particularly close. Arians is a proven offensive coach and will communicate with Brady as well as McDaniels did to have a great offensive plan.. The real challenge is can Brady still play at an elite level. He'll be ultra motivated for sure but it's about can he physically still do everything. Going to be very interesting for sure. In saying that, I agree that the Patriots are in real trouble. That's not just brash talk from a Bills fan hoping for their demise. They're not talented on offense and without the continuity Brady brought, it's going to be a difficult transition. Edited March 19, 2020 by White Linen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 Very hard to say at this time. Brady and the Bucs have way more offensive talent, but Arians loves high flying passes going all over - a la Winston, Palmer, etc. Big armed guys slinging it all over. Can Brady do that? He seems to believe he can and wants to prove it, but that to me means more QB hits and from what I saw last year - I am not sure his arm is up to it. Depending upon Brady’s arm and deep accuracy both of which I have begun to question, the Bucs could be anywhere from a 6 win to an 11 win team. The Pats offense looks bare, but they still support a top flight defense that has lost a few pieces - we will see if in the draft they can replace. Until we see a more complete roster - they could be anywhere from a 5 win to a 12 win team - I just don’t know. My best guess is that they are pretty close right around 8-8 and we see both can’t win without the other right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
First Round Bust Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 dead cap space - Bucs $88,238 (never seen a total that low - historic) Pats - 22.5 M of which 13.5 M is TB and 4.5M is Antonio Brown - even the great ones have an off-year - yeah baby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 It won't even be close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 (edited) overthecap has Pats* at $3M cap space https://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space/ spotrac has them at $12M space left , Brady stuck it to them alright , thank you Tom ? 2020 Dead Cap Tom Brady QB - $13,500,000 signing bonus https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-england-patriots/cap/ Edited March 19, 2020 by ALF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 Tampa will win more. Wonder how many primetime games Tampa gets now. Being in the NFCS I would expect one of those NO/TB games (Brady-Brees) is a lock for primetime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 I think you have to take the Bucs, at least until we know what the Patriots are going to look like next season. They still have a path to being good but it's obviously much more difficult now. The Bucs will likely be a powerhouse on paper at least. We'll see how it all comes together but I would tend to think they should be a double-digit win team this season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 5 minutes ago, DCOrange said: I think you have to take the Bucs, at least until we know what the Patriots are going to look like next season. They still have a path to being good but it's obviously much more difficult now. The Bucs will likely be a powerhouse on paper at least. We'll see how it all comes together but I would tend to think they should be a double-digit win team this season. I had the Buccs as my surprise NFC playoff team last year. Obviously it didn't quite happen but they are a threat if Brady is anything like himself. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 There should be an over/under for how many more games the Bucs will win versus the Cheaters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 Bucs are going to be really good - they lost quite a few close ones last year, largely due to untimely turnovers from Winston. A deep playoff run wouldn't surprise me. I think the Pats are all in on a rebuilding year - if not a full blown tank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 The Bucs had a solid team last year and would have been in the playoff hunt if it were not for Winston's 30+ INT's. They will be better than NE this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 Bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 (edited) If there was a team that could ‘s***** defeat from the jaws of victory’ last year, it seemed to be the Bucs. I think the Bucs finish in the standings better than the Patriots. Edited March 19, 2020 by Ridgewaycynic2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 Bucaneers will be very tough this year. You'll see what a difference he makes, even in his 40's. Bellechick is good, but no good QB's unless he can make a last minute bid for Tanny. Maybe he'll have to tank after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 9 minutes ago, GreggTX said: Bucaneers will be very tough this year. You'll see what a difference he makes, even in his 40's. Bellechick is good, but no good QB's unless he can make a last minute bid for Tanny. Maybe he'll have to tank after all. Going to be tough to sign Tannehill after the Titans just gave him a huge deal a week ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 If Brady isn’t shot, Bucs will win 11+ games easily. Pats aren’t winning 11+ games IMO no matter who they put at QB. Losing Brady and key defensive personnel is too much to remain a top 5 team. I say Bucs are a super bowl contender as of now until Brady shows what he is or isn’t on the field. There’s no moves Pats can make that I think puts them into that category today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 Tough question. I think Brady has more left in the tank and was on a bad offense last year. The Pats have a really good defense and I think it’s stupid to discount them without knowing who their qb is. Watch them both win 10-11 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, ALF said: overthecap has Pats* at $3M cap space https://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space/ spotrac has them at $12M space left , Brady stuck it to them alright , thank you Tom ? 2020 Dead Cap Tom Brady QB - $13,500,000 signing bonus https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-england-patriots/cap/ NFLPA says $2.55 in space https://www.nflpa.com/public-salary-cap-report anyways.....i say TB 10-6 and NE 9-7 Edited March 19, 2020 by papazoid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 Wouldn't ever rule out the Patriots. Billicheat once won 10 games with Cassel. There is never a real doubt in my mind that the Patriots will be a thorn in our side until the hoodie is gone. That being said, gun to my head, I think the Buccs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 7 hours ago, Rochesterfan said: Very hard to say at this time. Brady and the Bucs have way more offensive talent, but Arians loves high flying passes going all over - a la Winston, Palmer, etc. Big armed guys slinging it all over. Can Brady do that? He seems to believe he can and wants to prove it, but that to me means more QB hits and from what I saw last year - I am not sure his arm is up to it. Depending upon Brady’s arm and deep accuracy both of which I have begun to question, the Bucs could be anywhere from a 6 win to an 11 win team. The Pats offense looks bare, but they still support a top flight defense that has lost a few pieces - we will see if in the draft they can replace. Until we see a more complete roster - they could be anywhere from a 5 win to a 12 win team - I just don’t know. My best guess is that they are pretty close right around 8-8 and we see both can’t win without the other right now. IMO No. His arm will be shot by week 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 Just now, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: IMO No. His arm will be shot by week 5 I agree, but it sounds like something Brady thinks he can still do. One of many reasons he wanted out. I think it ends poorly because I think the longer routes and weaker arm leads to more sacks and Ints for Brady - until they adjust the offense to his limitations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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