krf139 Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 11 hours ago, DCbillsfan said: I did 23 years in law enforcement. I would not be surprised if he literally forgot he had the gun in the luggage. I know it sounds whacked but a fair number of people store their gun in their luggage at their home. They pack for a trip and forget the damn gun is in there. It would not be the first time I heard this. While this could be true, there needs to be some accountability for the action. He brought a gun in an airport and tried to bring it on a plane. It doesn't matter how it got there. There needs to be accountability for this lapse in judgement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 Just now, ALLEN1QB said: Then I guess you have to be smart enough to know you can't bring a gun to the airport to some airports * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCbillsfan Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 1 hour ago, krf139 said: While this could be true, there needs to be some accountability for the action. He brought a gun in an airport and tried to bring it on a plane. It doesn't matter how it got there. There needs to be accountability for this lapse in judgement. I agree 100% and he will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 4 hours ago, soflabillsfan1 said: I have a CC in FL. When I drove to Buffalo last summer, nearly every state on the way I have reciprocity. When I got to NY, I wasn't allowed to stop in the state, even if my handgun was unloaded and locked in a case, which it was. That's totally crazy imo. We had a condo in Florida for years. The Utah and Florida license covered most states, and Hubby has a NYS license too. We would have to scoot around Maryland if he was transporting because he was not licensed there, and was always concerned about what could happen if pulled over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 16 hours ago, aristocrat said: should be banned from the league eh...I don't want to improve the Jets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFan20 Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 (edited) Pretty rough start to his career and he will likely be suspended for this. NY City has the strictest gun laws in the country so he’s going to face a pretty big penalty. That said I’m not going to write the kid off yet completely. This seems more like a stupid mistake than a criminal situation. As one poster mentioned he probably forgot he had the gun in his bag, and we are talking about a kid that grew up in Alabama. Update: It appears he checked the bag and the gun was unloaded. I don’t think this is going to amount to much. He probably walks away with a fine. Edited March 7, 2020 by JetsFan20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 18 hours ago, eball said: What person doesn't know carrying a weapon in an airport is a no-no? A guy by the name of Quinnen Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 There is a lot of misinformation in this thread. It seems as though he had it at the ticket counter, and was not trying to get through a security screen or take it aboard. The problem is that it is not legal in NYC. Regarding having guns on airplanes, you can check them, and they go in the baggage compartment. You cannot carry one in the cabin, unless you are in one of the groups of people who are authorized to do so, and there are a few. If you are in such a situation, the gate agent is advised and tells the captain, so the crew knows what seat has one, and if there are ore than one, they are informed of each other. Since people in the cabin with guns would be be authorized to have them, the divert to LGA scenario above makes no sense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 The best part is hearing Joe Benigno go off on the kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whites Bay Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 5 hours ago, sherpa said: There is a lot of misinformation in this thread. It seems as though he had it at the ticket counter, and was not trying to get through a security screen or take it aboard. The problem is that it is not legal in NYC. Regarding having guns on airplanes, you can check them, and they go in the baggage compartment. You cannot carry one in the cabin, unless you are in one of the groups of people who are authorized to do so, and there are a few. If you are in such a situation, the gate agent is advised and tells the captain, so the crew knows what seat has one, and if there are ore than one, they are informed of each other. Since people in the cabin with guns would be be authorized to have them, the divert to LGA scenario above makes no sense. You and I have PM'd in the past. I trust your opinion on matters related to commercial air travel. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 5 hours ago, sherpa said: There is a lot of misinformation in this thread. It seems as though he had it at the ticket counter, and was not trying to get through a security screen or take it aboard. The problem is that it is not legal in NYC. Regarding having guns on airplanes, you can check them, and they go in the baggage compartment. You cannot carry one in the cabin, unless you are in one of the groups of people who are authorized to do so, and there are a few. If you are in such a situation, the gate agent is advised and tells the captain, so the crew knows what seat has one, and if there are ore than one, they are informed of each other. Since people in the cabin with guns would be be authorized to have them, the divert to LGA scenario above makes no sense. do you have a link or something to the information about him being at the ticket counter when this went down? I haven’t seen more details than the original report, but at the time they said “attempting to board” but that’s a vague statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 19 hours ago, EasternOHBillsFan said: This guy is not in law enforcement though... what kind of person who isn't packs a gun in their luggage? Sounds utterly stupid to me. They don't pack it in the luggage, what they do is they decide the luggage would make a handy place to stow a handgun safely when the grandkids come over or their 6 year old has a birthday party. Then they forget it's there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 16 hours ago, krf139 said: While this could be true, there needs to be some accountability for the action. He brought a gun in an airport and tried to bring it on a plane. It doesn't matter how it got there. There needs to be accountability for this lapse in judgement. Airport carry is legal in 44 states outside the "sensitive area" inside the security checkpoint. See map in link. https://www.floridacarry.org/issues/concealed-and-unconcealed-carry/40-airport-carry-is-legal-in-44-states-but-florida-will-put-you-in-jail It does say he had the gun in his carry on baggage and was attempting to board a flight https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/jets-quinnen-williams-arrested-at-new-york-airport-for-alleged-gun-possession-with-reportedly-unloaded-weapon/ Williams, who just wrapped up his rookie season with the Jets, was attempting to board a departing flight out of New York when he was arrested around 9 p.m. for criminal possession of a weapon, a Port Authority spokesperson said. However he was at the Delta Check-in Counter when arrested per this. He did not have ammo in his possession. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28847651/jets-dt-quinnen-williams-arrested-trying-board-plane-gun Williams, 22, drafted third overall last spring, was carrying a Glock 19 handgun in a carry-on bag when he was arrested at the Delta check-in counter at approximately 9:15 p.m., a Port Authority Police spokesperson said. The gun was licensed in Alabama, his home state, but not in New York, according to police. One source described it as an innocent mistake. Under federal law, it is lawful to place an unloaded weapon in luggage that is then checked, and lawful to carry in the "unsecured area" outside security checkpoints. But you must have a permit that is valid in the state and municipality where you're departing and where you're arriving (which is less straightforward than it could be) and 6 states prohibit carry of a weapon anywhere at the airport. 19 minutes ago, whatdrought said: do you have a link or something to the information about him being at the ticket counter when this went down? I haven’t seen more details than the original report, but at the time they said “attempting to board” but that’s a vague statement. The links here say he was at the Delta Check-in Counter, but they also say he was attempting to board a flight, which I assume means he had a valid ticket and was trying to check his baggage before heading for the gate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 16 hours ago, krf139 said: While this could be true, there needs to be some accountability for the action. He brought a gun in an airport and tried to bring it on a plane. It doesn't matter how it got there. There needs to be accountability for this lapse in judgement. Except that in 44 states (including NYS), it is perfectly legal to bring a gun to the airport, and provided you unload it, it is legal to place it in checked luggage that is brought on the plane. It's typically supposed to be hard-sided luggage. I think this is a factually correct article written after an incident which led to Florida changing its laws: https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/tsa-rules-flying-handgun-article-1.2938087 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 5 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Except that in 44 states (including NYS), it is perfectly legal to bring a gun to the airport, and provided you unload it, it is legal to place it in checked luggage that is brought on the plane. It's typically supposed to be hard-sided luggage. I think this is a factually correct article written after an incident which led to Florida changing its laws: https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/tsa-rules-flying-handgun-article-1.2938087 So it sounds like NYC’s specific laws (the harshest in the country) are what’s the problem here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 Just now, whatdrought said: So it sounds like NYC’s specific laws (the harshest in the country) are what’s the problem here. Yes it does, and the ignorance of them. Maybe unrelated, but the "forgetting it's in my carry on" scenario happens quite often, as has been pointed out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 6 hours ago, sherpa said: There is a lot of misinformation in this thread. It seems as though he had it at the ticket counter, and was not trying to get through a security screen or take it aboard. The problem is that it is not legal in NYC. Regarding having guns on airplanes, you can check them, and they go in the baggage compartment. You cannot carry one in the cabin, unless you are in one of the groups of people who are authorized to do so, and there are a few. If you are in such a situation, the gate agent is advised and tells the captain, so the crew knows what seat has one, and if there are ore than one, they are informed of each other. Since people in the cabin with guns would be be authorized to have them, the divert to LGA scenario above makes no sense. I'm not certain, @sherpa, but I think they might be talking about people with a gun in their checked luggage. It's my understanding that the passenger must declare the gun, and sign a declaration that the gun is unloaded. All perfectly legal if you are flying between two of the 44 states where it's legal to have a gun on airport property, and have a valid permit or reciprocal carry privileges at your arrival and departure points. The contention in the "divert to LGA" scenario could be that NYC gun laws are very restrictive and do not recognize reciprocity. So if a diverted plane were to unload luggage and the passenger picks up their (federally legal) gun containing luggage, the claim is that would be a violation of NYC law and the passenger could be arrested. So allegedly, if NYC police would have access to the airline's declaration list, then they could identify and arrest the passenger when they pick up their checked luggage. I dunno - if the gun is in a hard-sided locked container and unloaded per the "National Firearm Owner Protection Act" provisions, it seems to me that federal law should govern, but that's well beyond my paygrade to sort (Whether a typical modern hard-sided suitcase would count as a hard-sided locked container if locked, No Info here; a glove box or locked console explicitly does not.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 19 minutes ago, whatdrought said: So it sounds like NYC’s specific laws (the harshest in the country) are what’s the problem here. Yes, and what the lawyer may mean by ""There was allegedly a technical issue with the manner in which the lawfully owned firearm was stored -- and we expect the matter to be resolved shortly." is that to my understanding, even in municipalities and states where reciprocity of permits does not exist, the National Firearm Owners Protection Act does allow the gun owner to transport a weapon he is legally authorized to own in his home state through another state or municipality provided it is unloaded and in a locked, hardsided container. Again, that is to my understanding - I believe that was the point of the NFOPA law. So what I think Williams lawyer may be alluding to is that Quinnen believes his suitcase met the provisions of the law, but the gate agent/port authority police do not (or are possibly uneducated about the impact of 1986 Federal law)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm_Owners_Protection_Act#"Safe_passage"_provision Note that this source references "state", and not "municipal", but typically if federal law supercedes state law on a matter pertaining to interstate travel, municipalities aren't allowed to mix in either. I think. Where's one of our actual lawyers here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Yes, and what the lawyer may mean by ""There was allegedly a technical issue with the manner in which the lawfully owned firearm was stored -- and we expect the matter to be resolved shortly." is that to my understanding, even in municipalities and states where reciprocity of permits does not exist, the National Firearm Owners Protection Act does allow the gun owner to transport a weapon he is legally authorized to own in his home state through another state or municipality provided it is unloaded and in a locked, hardsided container. Again, that is to my understanding - I believe that was the point of the NFOPA law. So what I think Williams lawyer may be alluding to is that Quinnen believes his suitcase met the provisions of the law, but the gate agent/port authority police do not (or are possibly uneducated about the Federal law) I’ve never seen that applied to air travel, but I imagine that makes sense... the bigger question, I think, is place of origin... presumably he lives either in NYS or NYC? (Unless Jersey, perhaps) where was he coming from with the gun, and was it legal for him to have it there? Though I don’t suppose that matters as they can’t charge him with having it somewhere when they didn’t arrest him there... it’s a convoluted thing for certain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 11 minutes ago, whatdrought said: I’ve never seen that applied to air travel, but I imagine that makes sense... the bigger question, I think, is place of origin... presumably he lives either in NYS or NYC? (Unless Jersey, perhaps) where was he coming from with the gun, and was it legal for him to have it there? Though I don’t suppose that matters as they can’t charge him with having it somewhere when they didn’t arrest him there... it’s a convoluted thing for certain. That's the point IMO...it's being painted as "OMG, what a maroon, everyone knows you can't bring a gun to the airport or take it on a plane" but in fact, what "everyone knows" isn't true (with restrictions). It's possible he may have violated a different state or municipal gun law as he must live part-time in NYS or NJ, but it may be much closer to "here was a guy trying to obey the law, but gun laws are not made easy to understand and obey". I think many football players maintain a legal residence in another state, so Quinnan may still be a resident of Alabama if he lives there off-season. NFOPA has been explicitly held to apply to air travel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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