Covid-19 discussion and humor thread [Was: CDC says don't touch your face to avoid Covid19...Vets to the rescue!

[Figster]

8 hours ago, Limeaid said:

 

That is assuming they wore them properly and did not touch something and get it another way.

 

Back in January I scoured stores looking for n95 for my brother-in-law who works in a hospital.

Took me over a week but I got a box and mailed them to him. 

Took a month to clear customs to him. I was convinced someone in customs took them.

 

Mistakes happen, absolutely. Having worked in a training center for Bartlett Nuclear teaching men and women how to suit up and protect themselves in often times a very dangerous environment. I've witnessed 1st hand the kind of mistakes that can happen. You know what though? They learned, and after awhile it became 2nd nature.

 

Our country needs to prepare itself for the future. Nobody wants a future wearing masks. On the other hand everyone wants a future including the elderly and most vulnerable.

 

Myself personally, If I'm president I'm mass producing the N95 mask and the reopening of the country in phases corresponds with the amount of N95 masks I can supply to the general public.

 

Opening restraunts?

 

Are you kidding me... 

 

 

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

6 hours ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Sewage monitoring can detect outbreaks:

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/04/coronavirus-found-paris-sewage-points-early-warning-system

 

Similar publication, broke it down here.  I personally think this would be very useful public health survey for many areas with limited health resources but municiple waste water treatment as they open back up: monitor the waste water, if you see a surge in covid-19 RNA, you KNOW you have an outbreak and you need to find it/contain it or lock back down.

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 hours ago, Back2Buff said:

It's going to continue to get earlier and earlier.  It's just illogical to think that if it was in China in November that it stayed there.  The world is all connected.

 

Yes, you are right that it's illogical to think if a disease is in one country it will stay there (which makes the US inaction on steps to address through January quite puzzling)

 

To date, I have seen no evidence that covid-19 disease was widespread in China in November or early December, so while certainly travel was occurring it becomes a game of probability, and the probability didn't surge until the case count did, in January. 

 

Hard evidence: there have been 3,226 complete viral genomes sequenced and added to a public database, and so far none of them extend prior to late December, including the recently uncovered cases.  Have a look if you like, pretty fascinating stuff (to me anyway):

 

https://nextstrain.org/ncov/global

The bottom line is that our lack of testing in Feb (and limited testing in March, focused on foreign travel) totally blinded us to the community transmission that was ongoing.

[Figster]

26 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Similar publication, broke it down here.  I personally think this would be very useful public health survey for many areas with limited health resources but municiple waste water treatment as they open back up: monitor the waste water, if you see a surge in covid-19 RNA, you KNOW you have an outbreak and you need to find it/contain it or lock back down.

 

 

Trash monitoring might also be something worth looking into in my opinion Hapless. Trash monitoring may help narrow down and posssibly even pin point a source that may not be showing visible symptoms of Covid 19. (Just a thought...)

 

If it hasn't already been mentioned.

Edited April 23, 2020 by Figster

[Hapless Bills Fan]

46 minutes ago, Figster said:

Mistakes happen, absolutely. Having worked in a training center for Bartlett Nuclear teaching men and women how to suit up and protect themselves in often times a very dangerous environment. I've witnessed 1st hand the kind of mistakes that can happen. You know what though? They learned, and after awhile it became 2nd nature.

 

Our country needs to prepare itself for the future. Nobody wants a future wearing masks. On the other hand everyone wants a future including the elderly and most vulnerable.

 

Myself personally, If I'm president I'm mass producing the N95 mask and the reopening of the country in phases corresponds with the amount of N95 masks I can supply to the general public.

 

Opening restraunts?

 

Are you kidding me...

 

We agree with the "opening restaurants...are you kidding me?"  there is no way to enjoy a socially distant restaurant experience.

As for opening hair salons, tattoo parlors, and massage therapy...are they nuckin' futz?!!!?

 

I personally think we're more likely to see compliance with wearing a surgical mask or homemade equivalent.  A properly fitted N95 respirator kind of hurts a bit after it's worn for a while - the necessary side effect of something that seals against the face - most of our HCW who are wearing them 12 hrs/day 6 days a week have facial bruising.   It's also hard to breathe through exertionally.

 

I feel the top priority for N95 goes to HCW, first responders, those caring for the elderly, and then those in "essential" positions like the food chain (from ag. and meat processing on up) and I think that comes before handing out 329 N95 masks to the general public.  In my opinion, asking these people to place themselves in harms' way without N95 respirator protection is immoral.  

Data shows that countries like Taiwan and S. Korea have seen good disease containment with public wearing of surgical masks and homemade masks that have some kind of filter added (can be as simple as a 5" x 8" shop towel, a pipe cleaner, a bandana, and two hair ties) and that everyone could be wearing this kind of mask TODAY.  It's effective at preventing the mask wearer from exposing OTHERS, so if everyone wears them: herd effect.  Don't let "great" be the enemy of "good" by making people feel (on no evidence) only the N95 respirator will work - it is needed to protect people who come into frequent contact with many people and with known infected people.
 

We've had this discussion before though, and come down to "agree to disagree".

 

10 minutes ago, Figster said:

Trash monitoring might also be something worth looking into in my opinion Hapless.

If it hasn't already been mentioned.

 

I don't see this, but would welcome details.

 

The beauty of wastewater treatment is that people directly and regularly deposit high concentration virus-containing waste material into it.  It's easy to collect a representative sample without undue personnel exposure, easy to inactivate virus in the sample before processing and testing it, and the technique has been used to monitor other diseases.
 

Don't see any of that for trash.

 

 

[Figster]

19 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

We agree with the "opening restaurants...are you kidding me?"  there is no way to enjoy a socially distant restaurant experience.

As for opening hair salons, tattoo parlors, and massage therapy...are they nuckin' futz?!!!?

 

I personally think we're more likely to see compliance with wearing a surgical mask or homemade equivalent.  A properly fitted N95 respirator kind of hurts a bit after it's worn for a while - the necessary side effect of something that seals against the face - most of our HCW who are wearing them 12 hrs/day 6 days a week have facial bruising. 

 

I feel the top priority for N95 goes to HCW, first responders, and those caring for the elderly, and I think that comes before handing out 329 N95 masks.  I feel that countries like Taiwan and S. Korea have seen good disease containment with surgical masks and homemade masks that have some kind of filter added (can be as simple as a 5" x 8" shop towel, a pipe cleaner, a bandana, and two hair ties) and that everyone could be wearing this kind of mask TODAY.  It's effective at preventing the mask wearer from exposing OTHERS, so if everyone wears them: herd effect.  

 

Don't let "great" be the enemy of "good" by making people feel (on no evidence) only the N95 respirator will work.
 

We've had this discussion before though, and come down to "agree to disagree".

Right now, as we are discussing. The only real safe way we have of protecting ourselves in an enclosed area or indoor enviroment with other people is with an N95 mask.

 

It doesn't have to be an either or when it comes to health care workers vs essential business workers or general public getting the N95 mask IMO.

 

With all due and utmost respect.

 

I don't mean to say a mask or scarf of any kind doesn't help because it does and its a good point.  On the other hand an N95 mask makes you over 10 times safer If memory serves me corretly. My point all along is Covid 19 needs to be stopped at the source in my humble opinion. 

Edited April 23, 2020 by Figster

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 minutes ago, Figster said:

Right now, as we are discussing. The only real safe way we have of protecting ourselves in an enclosed area or indoor enviroment with other people is with an N95 mask.

 

It doesn't have to be an either or when it comes to health care workers vs essential business workers or general public getting the N95 mask IMO.

 

With all due and utmost respect.

 

I don't mean to say a mask or scarf of any kind doesn't help because it does and its a good point.  On the other hand an N95 mask makes you over 10 times safer If memory serves me corredtly. My point all along is Covid 19 needs to be stopped at the source in my humble opinion. 

 

I don't think we have data on either point.  If you do, and care to present it, I'll change my mind.

I'm not big on scarves, myself.  Most are loose woven and I don't feel they provide protection.

 

As far as the "either or", what's the supply chain look like for those N95 masks?  

How many are available to purchase from outside the country?

How many are available from internal manufacture?

 

If it's not "either or", I'm for it.

[Figster]

39 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I don't think we have data on either point.  If you do, and care to present it, I'll change my mind.

I'm not big on scarves, myself.  Most are loose woven and I don't feel they provide protection.

 

As far as the "either or", what's the supply chain look like for those N95 masks? 

I'll try to hunt down the article.

 

I realize not having enough N95 masks to go around is the problem. To me though, this is a problem that should and could be fixed IMO. Mass production of the N95 mask prepares this country for the future IMO. At the very least we should give N95 access right now to all senior citizens and most vulnerable and any form of care giver that may come into contact with them IMO.  

 

The way I see it we the general public would be protecting in turn our fellow health care workers by wearing the N95 mask. (If we had access to them ) 

Edited April 23, 2020 by Figster

[Figster]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

We agree with the "opening restaurants...are you kidding me?"  there is no way to enjoy a socially distant restaurant experience.

As for opening hair salons, tattoo parlors, and massage therapy...are they nuckin' futz?!!!?

 

I personally think we're more likely to see compliance with wearing a surgical mask or homemade equivalent.  A properly fitted N95 respirator kind of hurts a bit after it's worn for a while - the necessary side effect of something that seals against the face - most of our HCW who are wearing them 12 hrs/day 6 days a week have facial bruising.   It's also hard to breathe through exertionally.

 

I feel the top priority for N95 goes to HCW, first responders, those caring for the elderly, and then those in "essential" positions like the food chain (from ag. and meat processing on up) and I think that comes before handing out 329 N95 masks to the general public.  In my opinion, asking these people to place themselves in harms' way without N95 respirator protection is immoral.  

Data shows that countries like Taiwan and S. Korea have seen good disease containment with public wearing of surgical masks and homemade masks that have some kind of filter added (can be as simple as a 5" x 8" shop towel, a pipe cleaner, a bandana, and two hair ties) and that everyone could be wearing this kind of mask TODAY.  It's effective at preventing the mask wearer from exposing OTHERS, so if everyone wears them: herd effect.  Don't let "great" be the enemy of "good" by making people feel (on no evidence) only the N95 respirator will work - it is needed to protect people who come into frequent contact with many people and with known infected people.
 

We've had this discussion before though, and come down to "agree to disagree".

 

 

I don't see this, but would welcome details.

 

The beauty of wastewater treatment is that people directly and regularly deposit high concentration virus-containing waste material into it.  It's easy to collect a representative sample without undue personnel exposure, easy to inactivate virus in the sample before processing and testing it, and the technique has been used to monitor other diseases.
 

Don't see any of that for trash.

 

 

I think in almost any residency where an active case of Covid 19 is occurring samples from tissue paper from blowing ones nose for instance would give not only an indication,  in many instances give you an exact address and location through mail correspondence IMO.

 

Again, just a thought and you have become a very trusted and knowledgeable fellow patron for me to bounce ideas off of, for lack of a better way of putting it.

Edited April 23, 2020 by Figster

[Punching Bag]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

Data shows that countries like Taiwan and S. Korea have seen good disease containment with public wearing of surgical masks and homemade masks that have some kind of filter added (can be as simple as a 5" x 8" shop towel, a pipe cleaner, a bandana, and two hair ties) and that everyone could be wearing this kind of mask TODAY.  It's effective at preventing the mask wearer from exposing OTHERS, so if everyone wears them: herd effect.  Don't let "great" be the enemy of "good" by making people feel (on no evidence) only the N95 respirator will work - it is needed to protect people who come into frequent contact with many people and with known infected people.

 

 

Wish I could test my wife's design - three layers of shop towels and cotton which fits well to face and is comfortable.

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

 

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

19 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

Wish I could test my wife's design - three layers of shop towels and cotton which fits well to face and is comfortable.

 

 

You could compare to the design of the Ninja Sewist Ladies who actually bought a particle counter and did tests:

https://suayla.com/pages/suay-community-mask-coalition

[Punching Bag]

1 hour ago, Figster said:

I'll try to hunt down the article.

 

I realize not having enough N95 masks to go around is the problem. To me though, this is a problem that should and could be fixed IMO. Mass production of the N95 mask prepares this country for the future IMO. At the very least we should give N95 access right now to all senior citizens and most vulnerable and any form of care giver that may come into contact with them IMO.  

 

The way I see it we the general public would be protecting in turn our fellow health care workers by wearing the N95 mask. (If we had access to them ) 

 

Senior citzens in general are not good candidates for n95 masks.  They need to be work correctly and when you wear it correctly it lightly damages face which seniors have lower heal rates.  Have it with workers taking care of them and they will be safe.

7 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

You could compare to the design of the Ninja Sewist Ladies who actually bought a particle counter and did tests:

https://suayla.com/pages/suay-community-mask-coalition
 

 

I was hoping I could mail one and be tested.

[Figster]

41 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

Senior citzens in general are not good candidates for n95 masks.  They need to be work correctly and when you wear it correctly it lightly damages face which seniors have lower heal rates.  Have it with workers taking care of them and they will be safe.

Good points Limeaid,

 

Myself personally though, If I had to take a senior citizen to a doctors appointment for instance and by way of example I would prefer them wearing an N95 mask regardless. Car might break down on the way. Police might pull you over. The home or facility a senior citizen lives in requires routine maintenance. Heat and air, plumbing. Plumbers with bad teeth and farting butt cracks showing ( that one's for Gu) Cooking, cleaning. As your typical senior citizen I'm not sure it would be wise to rely on everyone else you may encounter for your own personal protection IMO.  

Edited April 23, 2020 by Figster

[Augie]

2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

We agree with the "opening restaurants...are you kidding me?"  there is no way to enjoy a socially distant restaurant experience.

As for opening hair salons, tattoo parlors, and massage therapy...are they nuckin' futz?!!!?

 

 

 

The encouraging part is that, at least here in Atlanta, many people see this as absolutely crazy and are refusing to open hair salons, etc. One lady on the local news last night said she polled her staff, and they had a resounding “&%$# No!” in response. In the absence of clear minded leadership, we are going to have to rely on the common sense of the public, which is a pretty scary thought! 

 

My biggest question would be: Why THOSE businesses? They would seem to be the absolute WORST choices possible. Long term physical contact and exposure in a confined space. I have yet to see the rationale for this, and I’ve been watching! 

[plenzmd1]

Cmon @Augie, we need a control group and placebo for older Americans..you fit the bill! I will buy you were first meal at Golden Corral on Monday!

[Punching Bag]

35 minutes ago, Figster said:

Good points Limeaid,

 

Myself personally though, If I had to take a senior citizen to a doctors appointment for instance and by way of example I would prefer them wearing an N95 mask regardless. Car might break down on the way. Police might pull you over. The home or facility a senior citizen lives in requires routine maintenance. Heat and air, plumbing. Plumbers with bad teeth and farting butt cracks showing ( that one's for Gu) Cooking, cleaning. As your typical senior citizen I'm not sure it would be wise to rely on everyone else you may encounter for your own personal protection IMO.  

 

For a senior citizen it is better to wear a regular mask and a face shield. I dislike the hard ones and like the ones my wife made for me but it would need to be reworked for not everyone has a place they can put mask aside for 2 days to allow any viruses to decompose. 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

4 hours ago, Figster said:

Mistakes happen, absolutely. Having worked in a training center for Bartlett Nuclear teaching men and women how to suit up and protect themselves in often times a very dangerous environment. I've witnessed 1st hand the kind of mistakes that can happen. You know what though? They learned, and after awhile it became 2nd nature.

 

Our country needs to prepare itself for the future. Nobody wants a future wearing masks. On the other hand everyone wants a future including the elderly and most vulnerable.

 

Myself personally, If I'm president I'm mass producing the N95 mask and the reopening of the country in phases corresponds with the amount of N95 masks I can supply to the general public.

 

Opening restraunts?

 

Are you kidding me... 

 

 

 

 

 

...agree 100% 'Fig......the cousin of a work colleague is an RN who happened to draw blood from one of the first probable Covid-19 case hospitalizations here in Rochester.....as a precaution, she wanted to get tested because of the exposure....she went to a drive-thru testing site and while in line, she observed a PPE bin blow over and the PPE materials blowing all over.....a med type person dressed only in scrubs ran out and starting picking up the PPE, clutching them to her scrubs with NO PPE, gloves or mask......as a courtesy, the RN reported it to the Health Dept. where a rep said, "...guess we have a lot of work to do (training)"....just think these folks use their hearts first to help others before using their heads as far as self-protection......hope this person as well as similar others end up ok..........

Edited April 23, 2020 by OldTimeAFLGuy

[Figster]

1 minute ago, Limeaid said:

 

For a senior citizen it is better to wear a regular mask and a face shield. I dislike the hard ones and like the ones my wife made for me but it would need to be reworked for not everyone has a place they can put mask aside for 2 days to allow any viruses to decompose. 

Better?

 

So the most vulnerable in our society are wearing a mask that still leaves them vulnerable? when we have something safer? These same senior citizens are the one's going on ventilators in big numbers, many not surviving.

 

I respectfully disagree.

 

Just now, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...agree 100% 'Fig......the cousin of a work colleague is an RN who happened to draw blood from one of the first probable Covid-19 case hospitalizations here in Rochester.....as a precaution, she wanted to get tested because of the exposure....she went to a drive-thru testing site and while in line, she observed a PPE bin blow over and the PPE materials blowing all over.....a med type person dressed only in scrubs ran out and starting picking up the PPE, clutching it to her scrubs with NO PPE, gloves or mask......as a courtesy, the RN reported it to the Health Dept. where a rep said, "...guess we have a lot of work to do (training)"....just think these folks use their hearts first to help others before using their heads as far as self-protection......hope this person as well as similar others end up ok..........

Been worried about you my OldTime friend,

 

Great to see you posting...

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

1 minute ago, Figster said:

Better?

 

So the most vulnerable in our society are wearing a mask that still leaves them vulnerable? when we have something safer? These same senior citizens are the one's going on ventilators in big numbers, many not surviving.

 

I respectfully disagree.

 

 

....I'm probably wrong, but isn't the premise of a mask to protect others from you versus protecting you from others?.......

[Augie]

20 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

Cmon @Augie, we need a control group and placebo for older Americans..you fit the bill! I will buy you were first meal at Golden Corral on Monday!

 

Is it all you can eat??? 

[Figster]

13 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

....I'm probably wrong, but isn't the premise of a mask to protect others from you versus protecting you from others?.......

Unfortunately, it is the premise.

 

By way of example what If someone with Covid 19 sneezes or coughs and small droplets land on your lips. Or in your eyes?

 

The mask, almost any mask, protects you. It also helps keep your hands out of your nose and mouth which is a habit often hard to overcome for many.

Edited April 23, 2020 by Figster

[Punching Bag]

1 minute ago, Figster said:

Better?

 

So the most vulnerable in our society are wearing a mask that still leaves them vulnerable? when we have something safer? These same senior citizens are the one's going on ventilators in big numbers, many not surviving.

 

I respectfully disagree.

 

 

It is better because it is something they can wear without issue.  Saw a senior when we went shopping and she was frequently pulling mask to side I assume because she was not getting enough oxygen.  If entire air area is filled with virus yes but the major dangers are someone breathing on you who has it and touching stuff then having it progress to respiration system.  Equipment not worn properly reduces protection and gives false sense of security.

5 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

....I'm probably wrong, but isn't the premise of a mask to protect others from you versus protecting you from others?.......

 

Some masks yet. Some like n95 are to make you safer to work in more dangerous environments like hospital workers in COVID-19 ward.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

9 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

It is better because it is something they can wear without issue.  Saw a senior when we went shopping and she was frequently pulling mask to side I assume because she was not getting enough oxygen.  If entire air area is filled with virus yes but the major dangers are someone breathing on you who has it and touching stuff then having it progress to respiration system.  Equipment not worn properly reduces protection and gives false sense of security.

 

Some masks yet. Some like n95 are to make you safer to work in more dangerous environments like hospital workers in COVID-19 ward.

 

They are virtually impossible to get. As an ESSENTIAL BUSINESS in NYS, we have 200+ construction workers in the field.....our annual Safety Equipment Budget (pre Covid-19) is $125,000 and I have added $75,000 to that budget......yet our major supplier cannot get us N95 masks.......we order them along with paper masks only to have the N95's deleted.....signs in Home Depot say N95's are going to first responders and med staffs first as a priority, so I think that is what happens to our orders....

[Figster]

16 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

It is better because it is something they can wear without issue.  Saw a senior when we went shopping and she was frequently pulling mask to side I assume because she was not getting enough oxygen.  If entire air area is filled with virus yes but the major dangers are someone breathing on you who has it and touching stuff then having it progress to respiration system.  Equipment not worn properly reduces protection and gives false sense of security.

 

Some masks yet. Some like n95 are to make you safer to work in more dangerous environments like hospital workers in COVID-19 ward.

 Good argument Limeaid, 

 

Myself personally, our country, Worldwide for that matter.  People, young or old, we can all learn, get better at handling a crisis in my humble opinion.

 

So perhaps the next time around, and that day will come.

 

Mankind can meet the challenges with a better outcome. 

Edited April 23, 2020 by Figster

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

1 minute ago, Figster said:

 Good argument Limeaid, 

 

Myself personally, our country, its people, young or old can learn, get better in my humble opinion.

 

So perhaps the next time around, and that day will come.

 

Mankind can meet the challenges with a better outcome. 

 

 

...as expected, your words are prophetic.......we have NEVER faced a challenge like this at least in my lifetime......this pandemic was the classic "baptism by fire" reactive mode call to arms.....advance warning was virtually non-existent and downplayed......we are calling a nation of 330+ million people to arms, hardly a short order IMO....in our construction business, we routinely have "post project reviews" to learn what we did right on a successful project as well as why a project went "bad"......we use the "goods" and "bads" to learn going forward....ideally (COUGH), a "Post Pandemic Review" could elicit numerous goods and bads going forward, yet hoping something similar NEVER happens again...problem is politicization will take precedent.....very sad.....

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, Limeaid said:

Senior citzens in general are not good candidates for n95 masks.  They need to be work correctly and when you wear it correctly it lightly damages face which seniors have lower heal rates.  Have it with workers taking care of them and they will be safe.

 

Agreed.  My mother takes literally months to heal from every scrape and bruise.  Plus she can't remember stuff.  How to put on and take off an N95 mask, she would not remember.  She also has congestive heart failure and is borderline on her oxygen consumption at the best of times.

 

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I was hoping I could mail one and be tested.

 

That's not a bad notion, especially with your wife's chops as a professional seamstress it's possible you have a better design - especially if you have the means to shoot them a bit of a donation for their mask-making work.

 

I guess my point was that if they are seeing those kind of test numbers from a pocket mask and your wife made you a custom fitted pocket mask, it seems probable its performance is comparable.  You could test it yourself with a saccharine solution if you like (and aren't allergic to saccharine).

 

53 minutes ago, Figster said:

 Good argument Limeaid, 

 

Myself personally, our country, Worldwide for that matter.  People, young or old, we can all learn, get better at handling a crisis in my humble opinion.

 

So perhaps the next time around, and that day will come.

 

Mankind can meet the challenges with a better outcome. 

 

It's a very valid point that the countries I am looking at with some degree of envy for how they handled this - are the countries that were affected by SARS and learned from that experience.

 

So we will need to learn and do better.

[Punching Bag]

How do I test with a saccharine solution?

 

Have not been a science nerd since college.  Started college honors biology , had As in microbiology and other classes and hit a wall when it came to memorization in comparative anatomy.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

5 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

How do I test with a saccharine solution?

 

Formally, it requires a special hood, a nebulizer, and a calibrated test solution.

 

Informally, it requires a 1% sodium saccharine solution in a spray bottle and an enclosed area - small bathroom, hat draped in plastic, something like that.  You stick out your tongue and spray the solution 5x, 10x, 15x, 20x into the area but not directly on your face and tongue until you can taste it. (if you can't taste it, the test doesn't work.  there's a second solution that's used in that case, bitrex)

 

Then you clean your face, let the stuff settle out of the enclosed area, take a drink, make sure you can't taste anything after licking your lips and swallowing.  Put the mask on and repeat (if you normally wear glasses, wear them). Do something - read a paragraph of a book, turn your head side to side like you normally would to look at something, make sure you don't taste anything as you do.

Here's a thing I found that shows the test gizmo, albeit with a half-face respirator and a description of the process

 

https://pksafety.com/blog/how-to-administer-a-respirator-fit-test

 

 

[ExiledInIllinois]

8 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Similar publication, broke it down here.  I personally think this would be very useful public health survey for many areas with limited health resources but municiple waste water treatment as they open back up: monitor the waste water, if you see a surge in covid-19 RNA, you KNOW you have an outbreak and you need to find it/contain it or lock back down.

 

 

Now.... Thanks.

 

 

That @plenzmd1 he's a humble guy. I need to be more like him.

 

I also need help trying to find my stuff in the basement too... LoL... ?

 

[Bad Things]

3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

It's a very valid point that the countries I am looking at with some degree of envy for how they handled this - are the countries that were affected by SARS and learned from that experience.

 

... and the countries whose populations and effective leaders believe in science and the common good. 

(At least that's how I saw it happening down here, in New Zealand.)

[Punching Bag]

LinkedIn comments by Georgia Businesses:

 

https://www.linkedin.com/feed/news/georgia-business-owners-speak-out-5165322/?msgConversationId=6184804865001164800&msgOverlay=true

[BobbyC81]

My extreme predictions:

 

Coronavirus returns with a vengeance in October or November.  Baseball had returned but there’s no World Series.  NHL hockey returned and had an abbreviated season and playoffs but doesn’t start a 2020/2021 season.  NBA returns briefly but new Coronavirus cases for players ends their season abruptly and they don’t start a 2020/21 season.  NFL season starts as scheduled but is ended about halfway thru the season.

 

College football starts on time and continues despite virus return until a large amount of cases arise among players and staff.  SEC wants to continue without fans in stands but they are shot down.

[ALF]

I was so bored I called Jake from State Farm just to talk to someone. He asked me what I was wearing.

 

2019: Stay away from negative people. 2020: Stay away from positive people.

 

The world has turned upside down. Old folks are sneaking out of the house, and their kids are yelling at them to stay indoors!

 

You think it's bad now? In 20 years our country will be run by people home-schooled by day drinkers...

 

This virus has done what no woman had been able to do...cancel all sports, shut down all bars, and keep men at home!!!

 

Do not call the police on suspicious people in your neighborhood! Those are your neighbors without makeup and hair extensions!

 

Since we can't eat out, now's the perfect time to eat better, get fit, and stay healthy. We're quarantined! Who are we trying to impress? We have snacks, we have sweatpants – I say we use them!

 

Day 7 at home and the dog is looking at me like, "See? This is why I chew the furniture!"

 

Does anyone know if we can take showers yet or should we just keep washing our hands???

 

I never thought the comment "I wouldn't touch him/her with a 6 foot pole" would become a national policy, but here we are!

 

Me: Alexa what's the weather this weekend? Alexa: It doesn't matter – you're not going anywhere.

 

Can everyone please just follow the government instructions so we can knock out this corona virus and be done?! I feel like a kindergartner who keeps losing more recess time because one or two kids can't follow directions.

 

I swear my fridge just said "what the hell do you want now?"

 

When this is over...what meeting do I attend first...Weight Watchers or AA?

 

Quarantine has turned us into dogs. We roam the house all day looking for food. We are told "no" if we get too close to strangers. And we get really excited about car rides.

 

Tomorrow is the National Home-school Tornado Drill. Lock your kids in the basement until you give the all clear. You're welcome!

 

[BillsFan4]

Press release from RB (the makers of Lysol) today:

 

https://www.rb.com/media/news/2020/april/improper-use-of-disinfectants/

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Improper use of Disinfectants

 

Due to recent speculation and social media activity, RB (the makers of Lysol and Dettol) has been asked whether internal administration of disinfectants may be appropriate for investigation or use as a treatment for coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2).

 

As a global leader in health and hygiene products, we must be clear that under no circumstance should our disinfectant products be administered into the human body (through injection, ingestion or any other route).  As with all products, our disinfectant and hygiene products should only be used as intended and in line with usage guidelines. Please read the label and safety information.

 

We have a responsibility in providing consumers with access to accurate, up-to-date information as advised by leading public health experts. For this and other myth-busting facts, please visit Covid-19facts.com.

 

For more information on our response to COVID-19, visit this link:  .......

 

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[K-9]

38 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said:

Press release from RB (the makers of Lysol) today:

 

https://www.rb.com/media/news/2020/april/improper-use-of-disinfectants/

 

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As a global leader in health and hygiene products, we must be clear that under no circumstance should our disinfectant products be administered into the human body (through injection, ingestion or any other route).  As with all products, our disinfectant and hygiene products should only be used as intended and in line with usage guidelines. Please read the label and safety information.

 

 

Or any other route? Ouch!

[Captain Caveman]

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Sorry if already posted

 

 

[Bad Things]

Well, I guess we now know how Melania can keep that clean, fresh appearance.

Old school.