teef Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 Just now, Halloween Land said: It's hard not to worry or panic about this virus. But we must keep our faith strong and trust the Lord. Praying is important! i really think this is the last idea anyone should be putting into people's head's at this point. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halloween Land Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 Just now, teef said: i really think this is the last idea anyone should be putting into people's head's at this point. It's not. It's the best idea. Don't underestimate the power of prayer. Only God can save us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 Just now, Halloween Land said: It's not. It's the best idea. Don't underestimate the power of prayer. Only God can save us. i appreciate spirituality, but only common sense and the understanding of what this thing is going to fix this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 My daughters office in DC that works with the ATF just emptied the office and told them ALL to work from home for the foreseeable future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 16, 2020 Author Share Posted March 16, 2020 34 minutes ago, row_33 said: trying to be realistic here... i expect we've all been exposed, you can't run and hide from it, it is hitting people with $$$$ so that won't save you if you feel sick stay home, try to get out there though... Actually, row_33, math suggests we have NOT all been exposed at this point. Epidemiologist best guess (not just making up numbers, they have some data from Wuhan before testing became widespread and from Washington State backed up by genome sequencing - see upthread for references) is that we're currently running about 10x more cases than are currently diagnosed. There are currently 3,774 diagnosed cases in US so that would argue 37,740 actual cases as of this am. Let's multiply by 2 as an error factor - 74,000 cases. Most of those are clustered in Washington State, SF, LA, and the NE corridor - Boston, NYC, Philly. Let's suppose that all infected were clustered in the greater Boston area with 8.2 million people (which they are not), that would still be less than 1% of the population infected at this point. Greater NYC area even lower. So your personal chance of exposure at this point is actually quite low, and the chance at this point that social isolation will slow the disease spread are high - if people take it seriously, NOW. Also emerging evidence suggests people are infectious 1-2 days before symptoms appear, so don't rationalize "Imma good to get out there 'cuz I feel fine" 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 16, 2020 Author Share Posted March 16, 2020 8 minutes ago, aristocrat said: oh yea she's doing the full safety stuff. yea, i facetimed this morning and had her strip down so i can check for the virus to see if i could see it on her! lol. they do have a patient with the virus at her hospital. which is in the middle of nowhere. I feel you should repeat this vital safety inspection the moment she walks through the door 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 16, 2020 Author Share Posted March 16, 2020 9 minutes ago, Halloween Land said: It's not. It's the best idea. Don't underestimate the power of prayer. Only God can save us. I respect the Power of Prayer, but one post on the topic was enough to convey your view. In case that wasn't clear enough, my mod powers shall smite thee if thou continueth. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 sorry.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardhatharry Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 I took a weeks vacation this week and now have a week of nothing to do. So I ordered new furniture and will wait for it to be shipped... Hopefully. Was supposed to go to NJ to see my parents but that isn't happening. My buddies cruise next week is cancelled he is wondering if he should just keep working instead... If we will even be working next week. A big part of our food company is shipping part so we are waiting to see. Right now we have a spike in shipments b.c people are staying home and ordering ready made meals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John in Jax Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, teef said: still think this is an over reaction? Yes. South Korea tested 100,000 people and 96% were negative. ETA: We know who the high risk people are, so obviously the high risk people should be taking extreme measures to avoid it. But everybody else should be able to live their lives. Completely shutting down bars and restaurants is asinine. I can see limiting their capacities though.... Edited March 16, 2020 by John in Jax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 (edited) 18 minutes ago, John in Jax said: Yes. South Korea tested 100,000 people and 96% were negative. Boy I’d sure love it if the U.S. tested that many people, you know, so we actually knew how many infected we had. South Korea began ramping up testing procedures within weeks of the outbreak in Wuhan and were testing 10,000 people a day with drive-up testing sites all over the country. They listened to the experts and immediately took action to contain the spread. Edited March 16, 2020 by BillsFan4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 15 minutes ago, John in Jax said: Yes. South Korea tested 100,000 people and 96% were negative. ETA: We know who the high risk people are, so obviously the high risk people should be taking extreme measures to avoid it. But everybody else should be able to live their lives. Completely shutting down bars and restaurants is asinine. I can see limiting their capacities though.... yup. you don't understand. got it. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 My dentist office just cancelled my cleaning appointment for tomorrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrb1979 Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said: Boy I’d sure love it if the U.S. tested that many people, so we actually knew how many infected we had. South Korea began ramping up testing procedures within weeks of the outbreak in Wuhan and were testing 10,000 people a day with drive-up testing sites all over the country. They listened to the experts and immediately took action to contain the spread. It probably would have happened sooner here in Canada and the U.S. but the issue is that people seem to panic a lot easier here. In Europe when any of their government imposes closures, people seem to accept it. Even the suggestion of self-isolate after returning from out of country, most seem to ignore and just go back to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 16, 2020 Author Share Posted March 16, 2020 1 hour ago, row_33 said: has anyone with a social life not been exposed already, starting at the latest mid-January? See other post on this topic. Short answer, at this point very likely you have not been exposed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 1 minute ago, SlimShady'sGhost said: My dentist office just cancelled my cleaning appointment for tomorrow we're not doing that yet, but my schedule is showing the effects. right now were having people stay in their cars, and call us when they arrive. we will come out and get them. if anyone is sick, or has traveled, they have to stay away. constantly washing handles, surfaces, etc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 49 minutes ago, teef said: i appreciate spirituality, but only common sense and the understanding of what this thing is going to fix this. the most common sense practical people in my life are spiritual, put most of us to shame they aren't watching MSM for boiling of their emotions 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 Just now, row_33 said: the most common sense practical people in my life are spiritual, put most of us to shame they aren't watching MSM for boiling of their emotions i hope no one thinks i meant being spiritual leads to not having common sense. i just hope no one exchanges the power of prayer for doing the basic things we've all be instructed to do. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 Just now, teef said: i hope no one thinks i meant being spiritual leads to not having common sense. i just hope no one exchanges the power of prayer for doing the basic things we've all be instructed to do. they do both, and then go out to help others they put almost all of us to shame.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 Just now, row_33 said: they do both, and then go out to help others they put almost all of us to shame.... it's not too hard to put me to shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 16, 2020 Author Share Posted March 16, 2020 1 hour ago, teef said: we just found out there's case in our suburb, so i can only imagine how many people already have it. The point is, you can only imagine, but epidemiologists whose job it is to figure these things out calculate, and while they believe there are far more cases than are currently reported, the number is probably 10x or 20x IOW we have 3,700 current positive tests, the actual number of infected people is probably 37,000-74,000. Upthread I posted a series of tweets from an epidemiologist explaining how he gets there. Another line of argument is that given what we know about the morbidity of the disease, if it were far far more widespread than they calculate we would be seeing it show up as excess cases of pneumonia over the usual expected, and so far we're not seeing that. Crudely, if you divide the US death rate by 0.005 (death rate while everyone who is ill can receive best care) or 0.05 (death rate once the hospitals are past capacity and triage must be done) you'll get a cross-check. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 Just now, teef said: it's not too hard to put me to shame. i'm the worst person that i know 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardhatharry Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 31 minutes ago, John in Jax said: Yes. South Korea tested 100,000 people and 96% were negative. ETA: We know who the high risk people are, so obviously the high risk people should be taking extreme measures to avoid it. But everybody else should be able to live their lives. Completely shutting down bars and restaurants is asinine. I can see limiting their capacities though.... Awesome lets overload the hospitals b/c you want to go get plastered. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said: The point is, you can only imagine, but epidemiologists whose job it is to figure these things out calculate, and while they believe there are far more cases than are currently reported, the number is probably 10x or 20x IOW we have 3,700 current positive tests, the actual number of infected people is probably 37,000-74,000. Upthread I posted a series of tweets from an epidemiologist explaining how he gets there. Another line of argument is that given what we know about the morbidity of the disease, if it were far far more widespread than they calculate we would be seeing it show up as excess cases of pneumonia over the usual expected, and so far we're not seeing that. Crudely, if you divide the US death rate by 0.005 (death rate while everyone who is ill can receive best care) or 0.05 (death rate once the hospitals are past capacity and triage must be done) you'll get a cross-check. is there any real news in terms on increasing testing? i would love a drive through center around here. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in Mich Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 5 minutes ago, row_33 said: i'm the worst person that i know Typically your posts are complete BS but I firmly believe this post. Stay safe, comrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 9 minutes ago, teef said: is there any real news in terms on increasing testing? i would love a drive through center around here. Drive-thru coronavirus testing site in Denver closes early as Colorado tops 100 cases 24 cases were confirmed positive overnight https://www.denverpost.com/2020/03/14/colorado-coronavirus-new-cases-drive-thru-high-volume/ Surprise, surprise. When you test people, you get a lot more cases. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 (edited) Live Press conference w/NY governor: -All bars and restaurants closed in NY. They coordinated with NJ and Connecticut to close bars in all 3 states. -They will have the capacity to test 7000 per day. -Trying to get army corps of engineers to come and retrofit hospitals but no luck so far. Thinks they’re going to run out of hospital space. -All casinos and gyms gyms closed. -all closings go into effect at 8pm. -local govt.’s reduce to 50% work force Private businesses encouraged to do the same -State will provide masks for all first responders; police and EMT, etc. new casss in NY: - 950 confirmed cases -7 deaths -158 hospitalized -Wyoming and Allegheny have new cases. Wow! Edit - link: Here is a link that covers all the info - https://www.wivb.com/news/new-york/ny-ct-nj-to-close-restaurants-gyms-bars-and-more-starting-monday-night/ Edited March 16, 2020 by BillsFan4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 16, 2020 Author Share Posted March 16, 2020 31 minutes ago, row_33 said: the most common sense practical people in my life are spiritual, put most of us to shame they aren't watching MSM for boiling of their emotions I agree with you, I'm just into "Praise the Lord, and Pass the Ammunition" "Trust God, and Mount your Archers" etc. We all know people who use faith or spirituality as a substitute for following infection-control best practices. At one point, literally more than half of the covid-19 cases in Korea were linked to a Christian sect which instructs (demands!) members attend crowded Sunday services regardless of illness - they all kneel packed in together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 16, 2020 Author Share Posted March 16, 2020 31 minutes ago, row_33 said: nobody KNOWS.... just put yesterday's stats into a graph and compare it to other events, which can have something in common with the current situation, but each new situation is..... new.... you must have friends who have "figured out" some sports betting thing using past data, and you can't convince them it's got nothing to do with the future events... Brother, I have talked to you and talked to you about the difference between a trained epidemiologist whose business it is to model disease spread and who has spent a lifetime doing it accurately and successfully. I answer questions as carefully as I can, when people have questions. People have a right to ask questions. You, on the other hand, make repeated fallacious assertions. You can't don't or won't get it, hence the crack about how I have friends who "figured out" some sports betting thing. Have a Seat. I'm done. Past disease events predict future disease events once you know some data like the means of transmission and the basic reproduction rate (how many people get sick from contact with a sick person) because they follow the same mathmatical equations. "Science, it Works *****" 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 Well, some good news... ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 More proof that you can't fix stupid An influencer filmed herself licking a plane toilet seat for 'clout' on TikTok as part of a 'coronavirus challenge' https://www.yahoo.com/news/influencer-filmed-herself-licking-plane-135300257.html maybe that should have it's own thread Ava Louise / Twitter Influencer Ava Louise filmed herself licking a plane seat toilet, starting a bizarre "coronavirus challenge." "Please RT this so people can know how to properly be sanitary on the airplane," she said. She told Insider she did it because she didn't want coronavirus getting more attention than her. "What's not gunna make people sad is a hot rich blonde 20-something-year-old licking a toilet," she said. "It's not like the virus can kill me anyway because I don't use Facebook." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said: More proof that you can't fix stupid An influencer filmed herself licking a plane toilet seat for 'clout' on TikTok as part of a 'coronavirus challenge' https://www.yahoo.com/news/influencer-filmed-herself-licking-plane-135300257.html maybe that should have it's own thread This needs a Would Ya? thread. I already know the Yeses 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 20 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I agree with you, I'm just into "Praise the Lord, and Pass the Ammunition" "Trust God, and Mount your Archers" etc. We all know people who use faith or spirituality as a substitute for following infection-control best practices. At one point, literally more than half of the covid-19 cases in Korea were linked to a Christian sect which instructs (demands!) members attend crowded Sunday services regardless of illness - they all kneel packed in together. Wow......that is just insane! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 16, 2020 Author Share Posted March 16, 2020 8 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said: More proof that you can't fix stupid An influencer filmed herself licking a plane toilet seat for 'clout' on TikTok as part of a 'coronavirus challenge' https://www.yahoo.com/news/influencer-filmed-herself-licking-plane-135300257.html maybe that should have it's own thread Ava Louise / Twitter Influencer Ava Louise filmed herself licking a plane seat toilet, starting a bizarre "coronavirus challenge." "Please RT this so people can know how to properly be sanitary on the airplane," she said. She told Insider she did it because she didn't want coronavirus getting more attention than her. "What's not gunna make people sad is a hot rich blonde 20-something-year-old licking a toilet," she said. "It's not like the virus can kill me anyway because I don't use Facebook." Someone should introduce her to Rudy Gobert. Maybe they could share a ventilator or something like that. ??❤️?? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 16, 2020 Author Share Posted March 16, 2020 I need some humor here: 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 31 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: This needs a Would Ya? thread. I already know the Yeses Done 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Jack Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 1 hour ago, teef said: is there any real news in terms on increasing testing? i would love a drive through center around here. Onondaga County/Syracuse opened a testing center, but it's only for those that are told to go get tested by their doctor. You can not just walk in and be tested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capco Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Not if the bars and restaurants close, Katie.... it ticks me off that we need to have government close stuff completely because some people can't accept any restraint That's why government has a role in organizing and administering the masses. If most people are left to their own devices, you get the Tragedy of the Commons type stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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teef Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 8 minutes ago, Just Jack said: Onondaga County/Syracuse opened a testing center, but it's only for those that are told to go get tested by their doctor. You can not just walk in and be tested. That’s a start. I know someone who was tested here, (negative) but it was not an easy process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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