snafu Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 44 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: This is a good point. He'd lose a ton of support if he campaigned on these issues, so they're trying to sweep it under the rug. Did you see Mike Pence's reaction when someone asked him about the law that made it easier for states to opt out of Medicaid expansion? Totally shell shocked. People with disabilities need to work? Uhhh. Ok. This is where the rubber meets the road politically. It's not about Trump. It's about socioeconomic policies. I don't have a problem with poor people getting some scraps to eat. The savings there are so miniscule that we may be talking about percentage points in the hundreth's as it pertains to the deficit. I always hear that people become more conservative with wisdom. I've always felt like people are conservative until some awful () happens to THEM. While we're at it, why do none of the criminal justice reforms address cash bail, the biggest fraud ever perpetrated against those at the low end of the wealth spectrum. You're telling me it's cool that a person is released from jail because they have some "collateral?" Freedom is the last thing you wanna be treating like a pawn shop. But again, let's see if Trump actually campaigns on these issues. Alabama, the state with THE highest rate of folks receiving such benefits, may not be so happy. I always respected Paul Ryan because he had the stones to articulate his conservative economic vision. NYS just got rid of cash bail for many offenders. It is not going well. 55 minutes ago, Gary Busey said: Worst part of the budget would be the cuts to EPA. At least congress still has enough of a spine to block a majority of the cuts. I don’t know the answer to this, and I’m not expecting you to know either, but I’ll ask it anyway: what does the Federal EPA do that a State Environmental Agency doesn’t do? Doesn’t every state have their own EPA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 6 minutes ago, snafu said: NYS just got rid of cash bail for many offenders. It is not going well. How so? People not showing up to court? Crime rate? Just curious. Honestly, I don't care about the ramifications. It's unjust to hold people who have not been convicted of a crime because they don't have the cash to pay bail. People should be free to buy whatever the () they want, but they shouldn't be able to buy freedom. This ain't a pawn shop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keukasmallies Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 6 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: How so? People not showing up to court? Crime rate? Just curious. Honestly, I don't care about the ramifications. It's unjust to hold people who have not been convicted of a crime because they don't have the cash to pay bail. People should be free to buy whatever the () they want, but they shouldn't be able to buy freedom. This ain't a pawn shop. When the same miscreant is arrested, freed, arrested, freed, arrested, freed within thirty-six hours, the idea that the law might just be flawed creeps across the state. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 1 minute ago, Keukasmallies said: When the same miscreant is arrested, freed, arrested, freed, arrested, freed within thirty-six hours, the idea that the law might just be flawed creeps across the state. Logic dictates that this particular miscreant is either in prison or will soon find his way there. If you think treating freedom like a pawn shop is a good idea, fair enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 14 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: How so? People not showing up to court? Crime rate? Just curious. Honestly, I don't care about the ramifications. It's unjust to hold people who have not been convicted of a crime because they don't have the cash to pay bail. People should be free to buy whatever the () they want, but they shouldn't be able to buy freedom. This ain't a pawn shop. The system forever has been that if someone doesn’t have the cash then they could post property as a bond. Also, judges have had wide discretion in releasing nonviolent offenders on their own recognisence. Honestly it’s too early to tell. Here’s a Buffalo News article reporting crime rates up. https://buffalonews.com/2020/02/08/sifting-through-the-bail-reform-controversy-in-new-york/ Here’s another one says too early to tell. https://www.cityandstateny.com/articles/policy/criminal-justice/what-know-about-states-new-bail-reform-law.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 6 hours ago, Tiberius said: WHITE HOUSE Trump hits Medicaid, food stamps in push to slash domestic spending He will also ask Congress for a slight spending increase for the Pentagon as he releases his $4.8 trillion budget blueprint for the upcoming fiscal year. BY CAITLIN EMMA AND JENNIFER SCHOLTES Tax cuts for the wealthy, health care cuts for the poor Yeah. He's a Republican. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 32 minutes ago, snafu said: The system forever has been that if someone doesn’t have the cash then they could post property as a bond. Also, judges have had wide discretion in releasing nonviolent offenders on their own recognisence. Honestly it’s too early to tell. Here’s a Buffalo News article reporting crime rates up. https://buffalonews.com/2020/02/08/sifting-through-the-bail-reform-controversy-in-new-york/ Here’s another one says too early to tell. https://www.cityandstateny.com/articles/policy/criminal-justice/what-know-about-states-new-bail-reform-law.html Appreciate the response. Noticed that there was an entire thread on the issue. Also re-read my recent posts and they come across as someone in "emotional" mode, so I'm gonna leave it alone for awhile and do more reading. But I will say in summation as this ties into outcomes; If outcomes dictate policy, I'm guessing taking away the scraps people get from food stamps will almost certainly increase crime and likely cost taxpayers as much, if not more, to jail petty offenders. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 30 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: Appreciate the response. Noticed that there was an entire thread on the issue. Also re-read my recent posts and they come across as someone in "emotional" mode, so I'm gonna leave it alone for awhile and do more reading. But I will say in summation as this ties into outcomes; If outcomes dictate policy, I'm guessing taking away the scraps people get from food stamps will almost certainly increase crime and likely cost taxpayers as much, if not more, to jail petty offenders. I’m more of a “leave the system alone” guy. But if change works without proving the doubters right, then I’m okay with that, too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 2 hours ago, Gary Busey said: Worst part of the budget would be the cuts to EPA. At least congress still has enough of a spine to block a majority of the cuts. He used to be my representative until re-districting. He's a complete idiot. So does a 25% cut mean we're changing laws? Of course not. Back it up Bill. Stooge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 11, 2020 Author Share Posted February 11, 2020 10 hours ago, dubs said: I really respect your ability to display how much of an uneducated moron you are on a day to day, hour by hour basis. It’s impressive. Lol, oh, do I just throw out pointless insults because I can’t articulate a valid point? Oh no, that’s actually you. 10 hours ago, dubs said: It’s almost like if god didn’t create government, the world would collapse into itself. or...that’s what the government wants you to believe. ? God didn’t creat the government, the people did. And yes fool, civilization actually would collapse if government didn’t do its job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 14 hours ago, Tiberius said: Honestly, I thought you guys would be cheering people would get hurt This is funny. This line right here is why you are a sad petty person. You have no facts to back you up but you will assume the literal worst about everyone who disagrees with you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 11, 2020 Author Share Posted February 11, 2020 47 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said: This line right here is why you are a sad petty person. You have no facts to back you up but you will assume the literal worst about everyone who disagrees with you. Good Morning Buffalo Timmy! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary M Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 If 3.6 million people have been lifted off welfare, shouldn't the budget be reduced? https://www.dailysignal.com/2018/08/03/fact-check-trump-says-3-5-million-people-have-been-lifted-off-food-stamps/ And if the economy stays strong more should come off? So even bigger savings. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 11, 2020 Author Share Posted February 11, 2020 11 minutes ago, Gary M said: If 3.6 million people have been lifted off welfare, shouldn't the budget be reduced? https://www.dailysignal.com/2018/08/03/fact-check-trump-says-3-5-million-people-have-been-lifted-off-food-stamps/ And if the economy stays strong more should come off? So even bigger savings. And yet the deficit goes up and up.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 9 minutes ago, Gary M said: If 3.6 million people have been lifted off welfare, shouldn't the budget be reduced? https://www.dailysignal.com/2018/08/03/fact-check-trump-says-3-5-million-people-have-been-lifted-off-food-stamps/ And if the economy stays strong more should come off? So even bigger savings. The Left's headline: Trump Rips Food Stamps From 3.6 Million People The reality: Ever Improving Economy Boosts 3.6 Million People Off Food Stamps This just goes to show that the Left needs to be dishonest to sell their ideas. 1 minute ago, Tiberius said: And yet the deficit goes up and up.... So, you want to reduce the deficit by spending more money? How do you function on a day to day basis? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 11, 2020 Author Share Posted February 11, 2020 5 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: So, you want to reduce the deficit by spending more money? How do you function on a day to day basis? Better than you do I bet. You are a hateful little ball of stupid. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 The deficit grows under Trump!!! #orangemanbad Trump proposes budget to reduce deficit. #orangemanreallybad You guys are ***** insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 7 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Better than you do I bet. You are a hateful little ball of stupid. I see even you know that your response made no sense and you can't defend it so you just strike out at people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 12 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Better than you do I bet. You are a hateful little ball of stupid. And you are a happy loving ball of sweetness. ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 11, 2020 Author Share Posted February 11, 2020 15 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: I see even you know that your response made no sense and you can't defend it so you just strike out at people. Nope, it's just that you are not a serious person and the truth, serious arguments, real facts etc, are wasted on you. You just really suck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 18 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Nope, it's just that you are not a serious person and the truth, serious arguments, real facts etc, are wasted on you. You just really suck Tell me Mr. Serious, how will spending more money reduce the deficit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 11, 2020 Author Share Posted February 11, 2020 8 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: Tell me Mr. Serious, how will spending more money reduce the deficit? Q-off you moron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 26 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Q-off you moron You are the offspring of No Balls and No Brains. You're too chicken to defend your comments about spending more to reduce the deficit and brainless enough to just attack other posters for pointing out your stupidity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 Do you guys think we go WR in round 1 or wait until round 2 on account of the depth at the position this year? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 30 minutes ago, Rob's House said: Do you guys think we go WR in round 1 or wait until round 2 on account of the depth at the position this year? Tough to say. I think it really depends on where the most value is at our spot when it’s our turn to pick. This group has shown the willingness to move around to get the guy if they think the value is right, but I don’t see them drafting for need at a fixed spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary M Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 1 hour ago, 3rdnlng said: I see even you know that your response made no sense and you can't defend it so you just strike out at people. Or he disappears, like over in the global warming thread. 37 minutes ago, Rob's House said: Do you guys think we go WR in round 1 or wait until round 2 on account of the depth at the position this year? Big Bruising RB round 1 I would prefer a free agent WR And a pass rushing DE in the 2nd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in Mich Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 I know about every few weeks or so FoxNews does a piece on welfare fraud or waste. They have the 'food stamps for lobster' story or the 'supposed disabled guy that just won the local ironman contest' story. Perhaps that is why I have found many of my right leaning friends think that at least half of the money spent on safety net programs is fraud. I hear things like, well Bob, I am not talking about you but most of those people on disability are just faking. I think that mindset is why so many want to cut from those types of programs. If you think these people are just stealing from you, why wouldn't you want to cut from them? I don't think that view is based on facts however. If you think these programs are helping those genuinely in need and still see that as the best area for cuts, you may be lacking an empathy gene. To find where I think we need to look to save, I would ask you to examine our annual military spending. If you enjoyed finding the welfare queen's $14K in wasted dollars, I would think examining the military budget for $14 million waste items to cut should make you giddy. Our politicians, D & R's are so bought and paid for by this industry it is disgusting. It should be criminal the percentage of our budget that is spent here. Before you tell me I hate the vets, let me head that off with, a 'bite me'. Support the soldiers, honor all of our commitments to our vets, pay them, but stop spending so much on unnecessary bases and unwanted weapons systems. I would propose a 10 year military spending plan with 5% cuts annually. Put the generals in charge of deciding what they don't actually need and if they can't decide, threaten to let the politicians decide how to cut. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/08/just-how-wrong-is-conventional-wisdom-about-government-fraud/278690/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary M Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said: It should be criminal the percentage of our budget that is spent here. I agree waste should be eliminated from all gubmint departments. But let me remind you that national defense is the only thing the fed is constitutionally reguired of the fed. All the other "programs" were invented to buy votes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 17 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said: I know about every few weeks or so FoxNews does a piece on welfare fraud or waste. They have the 'food stamps for lobster' story or the 'supposed disabled guy that just won the local ironman contest' story. Perhaps that is why I have found many of my right leaning friends think that at least half of the money spent on safety net programs is fraud. I hear things like, well Bob, I am not talking about you but most of those people on disability are just faking. I think that mindset is why so many want to cut from those types of programs. If you think these people are just stealing from you, why wouldn't you want to cut from them? I don't think that view is based on facts however. If you think these programs are helping those genuinely in need and still see that as the best area for cuts, you may be lacking an empathy gene. To find where I think we need to look to save, I would ask you to examine our annual military spending. If you enjoyed finding the welfare queen's $14K in wasted dollars, I would think examining the military budget for $14 million waste items to cut should make you giddy. Our politicians, D & R's are so bought and paid for by this industry it is disgusting. It should be criminal the percentage of our budget that is spent here. Before you tell me I hate the vets, let me head that off with, a 'bite me'. Support the soldiers, honor all of our commitments to our vets, pay them, but stop spending so much on unnecessary bases and unwanted weapons systems. I would propose a 10 year military spending plan with 5% cuts annually. Put the generals in charge of deciding what they don't actually need and if they can't decide, threaten to let the politicians decide how to cut. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/08/just-how-wrong-is-conventional-wisdom-about-government-fraud/278690/ While the DoD needs to reduce waste and the practice of each entity spending up to their budget each fiscal year we need to avoid the situation that we had with Obama's presidency. His priorities put us in a state of unreadiness. Much of our equipment was out of service and in some areas we were even short on ammunition. Maybe we could have borrowed some from the Dept. of Energy. -) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keukasmallies Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 (edited) 14 hours ago, LSHMEAB said: Logic dictates that this particular miscreant is either in prison or will soon find his way there. If you think treating freedom like a pawn shop is a good idea, fair enough. Reducing my response to you to a slang phrase: If you can't do the time, don't do the crime. (Please accept my apologies if you don't subscribe to the notion that one should be responsible for one's actions.) Edited February 11, 2020 by Keukasmallies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in Mich Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 1 minute ago, Gary M said: I agree waste should be eliminated from all gubmint departments. But let me remind you that national defense is the only thing the fed is constitutionally reguired of the fed. All the other "programs" were invented to buy votes Buy votes? I guess that is one way to look at safety net programs. Personally, I wouldn't want to live in a place without decent netting. I hate walking by beggars on the street. One never knows are they truly needy or are they scamming. Either way I typically walk away feeling bad for the person and the situation. Now, imagine beggars everywhere around you every day. Imagine grilling a steak while the poor neighbor's kids are looking at you through your fence, or watching people go through your trash bins. I think it is wrong to assume poor people must deserve their fate out of laziness or bad life choices. I support helping the needy. I could never enjoy my own life if so many around me had to beg to survive. Of course we need a strong military....but we have one. Unless several existing countries simultaneously declared war on us, we are not really in danger militarily, even if we stopped military spending completely for the next 10 years. It is a myth that we need to spend this much to compete. It is perpetuated by those profiting off of the myth - politicians and military industry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 11, 2020 Author Share Posted February 11, 2020 47 minutes ago, Gary M said: Or he disappears, like over in the global warming thread. What more was there to say? You were saying the its cool to let everything go to sh it because the earth had been different before. See you over there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary M Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 1 minute ago, Tiberius said: What more was there to say? You were saying the its cool to let everything go to sh it because the earth had been different before. See you over there I never said that. I pointed out that the people screaming climate disaster is around the corner don't live like they believe it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinga Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 I'll just leave this right here: https://www.cagw.org/media/press-releases/citizens-against-government-waste-proposals-included-trump-fy-2021-budget Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in Mich Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 33 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: While the DoD needs to reduce waste and the practice of each entity spending up to their budget each fiscal year we need to avoid the situation that we had with Obama's presidency. His priorities put us in a state of unreadiness. Much of our equipment was out of service and in some areas we were even short on ammunition. Maybe we could have borrowed some from the Dept. of Energy. -) Just curious, what did you find the most tasty, was it the hook, the line, or the sinker? The implication that we need continue to spend at this level, is the myth. We have been plenty ready for war for about 75 years. If we happened to be short on a particular ammo type, it was likely an ordering screw up and a temporary shortage....or did you feel vulnerable then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 1 hour ago, TakeYouToTasker said: Tough to say. I think it really depends on where the most value is at our spot when it’s our turn to pick. This group has shown the willingness to move around to get the guy if they think the value is right, but I don’t see them drafting for need at a fixed spot. I hope you're right. Picking for need is how you end up with Aaron Maybin and EJ Manwell. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Gary M said: Big Bruising RB round 1 I would prefer a free agent WR And a pass rushing DE in the 2nd I could go for that. I'm not usually a fan of taking a RB in the first, but it's a late first, and if the talent level is there, go for it. A big bruiser to complement Singletary would make for a dangerous backfield. And you can never have too many good DEs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 Does anyone here follow the Sabres? I'm not a hockey guy, but I keep seeing comments on Twitter about Eichel's career being wasted in Buffalo. Can someone give me the TV Guide version of why the Sabres suck? GM? Coaches? Bad drafts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevbeau Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 10 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said: Can someone give me the TV Guide version of why the Sabres suck? GM? Coaches? Bad drafts? D.) All of the Above 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 6 minutes ago, Kevbeau said: D.) All of the Above Is Eichel starting to be publicly pissed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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