Over 29 years of fanhood Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 15 hours ago, Buffalo619 said: Brees, Rivers, Brady all should retire. The time has come. Eli Manning is like Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 15 hours ago, Utah John said: Rivers has moved his family to far western Florida, near the Alabama state line. (This is a beautiful area, by the way.) The closest NFL franchise to that location is New Orleans. Just saying. Loved it there! Stationed in Pensacola for 4 years. It was by far my best duty station. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 30, 2020 Author Share Posted January 30, 2020 5 hours ago, Captain Hindsight said: Taysom Hill has a pretty similar skill set to the league MVP this year. I'm sure the would welcome Brees back, but if he decides to move on, I'd draft Tayson Hill pretty high in FF From looking at what I've seen so far....not that close, but I did enjoy the posted highlights. Fun to watch..... needs to prove he can pass in games. 1 hour ago, TheFunPolice said: Rogers is over rated. That doesn't mean he's not good, but the praise, status and fame he has doesn't match his accomplishments. His story does show the power of having a ring, though. It was popular for a while to call him the "best QB in the league." That always bugged me in a world where Brady and Peyton combined for 13 AFC titles and 8 Super Bowl wins while Rogers watched on his couch with his 1 appearance and 1 win. As far as Brees goes, I hope he plays just to put the records out of Brady's reach. It won't matter long-term, because Mahomes could break those records 15 years into his career and still have a handful left. I think there's a distinction between "best QB" (in terms of ability to read the D, manipulate the D, extend the play, make the throw, be clutch) and "best team". Number of AFC titles and Super Bowl championships is more a measure of "team" than "QB" That said, it's pretty hard to have a convo about "best QB" of this era without putting in Peyton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 17 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: FWIW, the sense that Brees is retiring has really caught traction over the last week or so here. I don’t buy it but buy it more than I did a month ago. I’m not sure where it came from but those that follow the Saints closely think it’s possible. Relevant to yesterday's hypothetical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 He can’t retire, Brady will get the TD record. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 30, 2020 Author Share Posted January 30, 2020 7 hours ago, Chaos said: Bridgewater is better. than Hill. The Saints know it. Brees is better than Bridgewater. The Saints, a very well run organization, can't afford Bridgewater and Hill and Brees. Saints are not prepared to commit to Bridgewater as Brees replacement (and the painful 2020 season roster changes that entails related to having 2 highly expensive QBs). This is the exact sort of player stockpiling the salary cap is designed to prevent. Notwithstanding Bridgewater's fine backup performance, Hill is far more important for a 2020 last hurrah with Brees, than Bridgewater is. If Brees gets hurt again, then the hurrah is over. Based on Brees retirement comments, the next injury is likely career ending. Since Bridgewater is just too expensive to retain for 2020, he is by default not part of the Saints future. Hill will be on the roster, so he becomes the QB until the Saints find someone better, which is not now, but could very well be likely in the 2021 off-season. That seems like a sensible breakdown of the situation - assuming Brees does not retire. If he does retire, then, do you think they'll push to re-sign Bridgewater? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 13 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: Rodgers season was almost identical to Brady’s. Wat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 13 hours ago, Jerome007 said: Why would Hill be that much of a stretch? Many backup QBs never see the field. Did you see a lot of Tyrod Taylor before he started for the Bills? Or Rodgers, Brady, Mahomes, etc.? He might NOT be the answer at all, but his lack of "true QB" role so far is no indication one way or the other. And he is a freak athlete and well, Lamar has shown what can be done with that. well, if flacco missed 5 weeks and tyrod completed 1 pass for 18 yards in that stretch youd naturally question how much his staff really loved his passing ability Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 22 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I think Sean Payton is genuinely infatuated with Hill. I don't get it myself but I also don't know football as well as Sean Payton. Hill was pretty exciting in college but he always got hurt. So that's why he was never on anyone's radar. He couldn't finish a season, or even get far into one. If anyone knows what he's capable of, it's Sean Payton. But you'd think he would have started him with Brees injured if he really believed Hill was a starting caliber QB. So that's why I think the Saints wouldn't go that route. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 12 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I think there's a distinction between "best QB" (in terms of ability to read the D, manipulate the D, extend the play, make the throw, be clutch) and "best team". Number of AFC titles and Super Bowl championships is more a measure of "team" than "QB" That said, it's pretty hard to have a convo about "best QB" of this era without putting in Peyton. I don't see any scenario where Rodgers could be considered a better QB than Peyton Manning or Tom Brady, personally. And I never liked it when Rodgers was referred to as the best. I just think all around QBing they were better. What Rodgers has over them is one thing, and that's mobility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 4 minutes ago, MJS said: I don't see any scenario where Rodgers could be considered a better QB than Peyton Manning or Tom Brady, personally. And I never liked it when Rodgers was referred to as the best. I just think all around QBing they were better. What Rodgers has over them is one thing, and that's mobility. Rodgers is easily the best QB of all time imo 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 4 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Rodgers is easily the best QB of all time imo Easily is a pretty bold word to use Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 Just now, NoSaint said: Easily is a pretty bold word to use Just said it tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 19 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: I don’t know, Brees has a MASSIVE ego as well. All great QBs do. With that being said Brees is a much better player at this point than Brady. If he played all 16 games this year he was on pace for: 74.3% completion, 4,333 yards, 39 TD passes, 6 INTs. Brady over 16 games in 2019: 60.8% completion, 4,057 yards, 24 TD passes, 8 INTs I don't think that's at all clear. Brady's stats had an awful lot to do with the personnel around him. He can still throw with steam, probably with more steam than Brees. Saying that, I hope you're right but I don't think so. In that last game, Minny seemed to be willing to let Brees try to make those long sideline throws, confident he couldn't do it consistently on them anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 14 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: Agreed. The narrative here has been that Brady is done, yet Rodgers is still hyped widely. They had similar results this year. Both tail ends of careers. Rodgers is still playing really well, and in the first year of a newish system. Age is the reason they're treated differently. 36 doesn't mean you're done these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 7 hours ago, Thurman#1 said: Rodgers is still playing really well, and in the first year of a newish system. Age is the reason they're treated differently. 36 doesn't mean you're done these days. Also...they didn’t really have ‘similar results’. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 (edited) On 1/30/2020 at 8:36 AM, Sundancer said: Rodgers and Brees still dominated this year. And Rodgers did it with minimal weapons. Rodgers didn't dominate anything Edited January 31, 2020 by nucci Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 10 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Also...they didn’t really have ‘similar results’. Brady and Rodgers? Brady: 60.8%, 4,057 yards, 24 TDs, 8 INTs, 88 rating, 52.5 QBR Rodgers: 62%, 4,002 yards, 26 TDs, 4 INTs, 95.4 rating, 53.5 QBR You've made it clear that you love Rodgers but those numbers aren’t all that different. Brees is the outlier of that group (16 game pace): Brees: 74.3%, 4,333 yards, 39 TDs, 6 INTs, 116.3 rating, 74.2 QBR 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 20 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Brady and Rodgers? Brady: 60.8%, 4,057 yards, 24 TDs, 8 INTs, 88 rating, 52.5 QBR Rodgers: 62%, 4,002 yards, 26 TDs, 4 INTs, 95.4 rating, 53.5 QBR You've made it clear that you love Rodgers but those numbers aren’t all that different. Brees is the outlier of that group (16 game pace): Brees: 74.3%, 4,333 yards, 39 TDs, 6 INTs, 116.3 rating, 74.2 QBR Those are very different numbers. Even on the face of them as presented. Brady was also 27th in the league in YPA. It took him 44 more attempts, basically an entire game's worth, to put him the 55 total yards accounted for in your figure. This is all notwithstanding the fact that he was in the same system w/McDaniels he's played in his entire career basically, whereas Rodgers and LaFleur were sort of making it up as they went w/a banged up Davante Adams and one of the worst wideout rooms in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 On 1/29/2020 at 10:07 PM, The Jokeman said: Ha! That be ironic. Yet think he moved there more due to taxes and the proximity to his childhood home in Alabama. Eekd I had flashbacks of Tyrod Taylor with that statement. As someone who was far from a Taylor fan, the hate he gets so freaking stupid. On 1/29/2020 at 9:35 PM, Buffalo619 said: Brees, Rivers, Brady all should retire. The time has come. Why? If they want to keep playing, why shouldn’t they? Brees was the 2nd ranked passer in the nfl. Brady, in a “bad” year, would had one of the best seasons of any Bills qb in franchise history. Rivers, probably the worse of the group almost threw for 5,000 yards. these guys aren’t what they were but they are still better than the far majority of qbs. I like good qbs and there aren’t enough of them. and there is zero way the Saints are ever going to make Hill their full time starter. He was slightly mediocre in college. He’s not close to a good enough passer to ever be a full time qb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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