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Just now, Doc said:

 

Yup.  I wonder how many more US cases there would've been if Trump didn't close the border to China when he did?

 

Important to remember: we've had cases in the US since about six weeks ago.

 

But we've only had person-to-person transmission in the US for about two weeks.  Until then, they thought they had it contained, like Ebola or SARS.

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27 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said:

 

That is what I thought.  I think, with all due respect, you are not properly processing the unfolding facts.  Certainly no need to fight over food, water, or TP, but the social restrictions are not being overdone, imo. 

 

The idea of flattening the curve is very sensible.  In a given locale, if the hospital's capabilities are overrun with more dying patients than they can care for, death rates will far exceed a few percent. 


My husband is of the same thought as you, flattening the curve. Needless to say, I disagree with him, and disagree with you.

 

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1 minute ago, pop gun said:

Read this interesting tidbit today, whether it's true or not it's still interesting

 

The Great cover up of 2020:

Yesterday morning at 4:30 a.m., Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau was served a criminal indictment by the U.S. for corporate and financial crimes. Media owners were instructed to brainwash everyone that Trudeau and his wife have the Corona virus, and that they won't be leaving their house for a while.

Tom Hanks was arrested a little over 48 hours ago for pedophilia and he is currently being kept in a hotel room in Australia, refusing to fly back to the USA. The next celebrity arrests will be Celine Dion, Madonna, Charles Barkley, and Kevin Spacey. All will claim Corona virus infections.

Italy's airports have been completely shut down, as over 80 Vatican and financial officials have been served the same criminal indictments for financial crime, pedophilia, child trafficking, and sex abuse.

United Emirates have completed mass arrests of their own Royal Family and affiliates.

Convicted Hollywood rapist Harvey Weinstein agreed to a deal in exchange for his testimony against hundreds of top Hollywood celebrities and their involvement in the drug business, pedophilia, and child trafficking. Instead of a 55-year sentence, he only received a 23-year sentence. In exchange he provided testimonies against some of the biggest and most powerful names, including Prince Andrew of the U.K., former president Bill Clinton, former vice president Joe Biden, Tom Hanks, Oprah, Ellen DeGeneres, Quentin Tarantino, Charlie Sheen, Bob Saget, Kevin Spacey, John Travolta, Steven Spielberg, Podesta, NXIVM and PIZZAGATE sex trafficking clubs, and hundreds more who all were directly involved with Jeffrey Epstein.

Jeffrey Epstein was similarly allowed to make a deal and have his suicide in prison faked in exchange for his testimony
CEOs of some major world corporations have been indicted/arrested, and some have been forced to resign — all in the last 30-60 days — such as the CEOs of the NBA, Harley Davidson, the Bill Gates Foundation, Intel, McDonald's, Cesar Awards, and Disney; the Vatican Chief of Police; etc. Approximately 700-800 more resignations are coming in the next 3 months.

The lab-created Coronavirus was a cover-up for the mass mandatory vaccination agenda. Now it has become the biggest covert U.S. Intelligence operation that the world has ever seen. This mass 158,000-arrests operation will remove and capture the biggest evil and corrupted politicians, celebrities, and CEOs, including global elites and bankers such as George Soros, U.N. officials, and the founders of GRETA, inc.

President Trump will win the 2020 elections, and arrests of former U.S. presidents will occur in early 2021. All major arrests will be portrayed by the media as accidental or as conspiracy theories. All arrested individuals will be given "Rommel Death", meaning that they will have a choice between their death bring portrayed to the public as a suicide or an accidental death in return for assurances that his or her reputation will remain intact, or, alternatively, they can choose to face a criminal trial that would result in public disgrace.

Some top religious leaders will be arrested or forced to resign, and some will suddenly get "sick." The Vatican will be the first, and the Pope will be removed in 2020. Production of human extracted Adrenochrome will be revealed, and Hollywood and the Vatican will be exposed as being directly responsible for that.

Coming up there will be a 2-month complete shutdown of the world's most common operations, such as schools, the stock exchange, some banks, airports, shipping, travel, events, galas, expos, sport games, sport championships, music award ceremonies, NBA/NHL/Baseball games, and ship cruises. There will be food shortages and staged electricity power loss. Gas prices will go down, food costs will go up, insurance will go up, gold and silver stocks will fall, and many corporations will either go bankrupt or take a significant financial loss, such as in the case of what's about to happen to Air Canada, Disney, and Coca-Cola.

Welcome to the Geat Awakening. What's about to happen this summer and fall will change the world's timeline.

All the world's a stage. 

 

Fake news.  Trudeau not only had the coronavirus, he died from it.  The current "Trudeau" is a deep-state clone, by the same people that cloned Ginsburg.

 

Get your ***** together, man.

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3 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

Important to remember: we've had cases in the US since about six weeks ago.

 

But we've only had person-to-person transmission in the US for about two weeks.  Until then, they thought they had it contained, like Ebola or SARS.

 

Yup.  The p2p thing threw us for a loop.

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2 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

Fake news.  Trudeau not only had the coronavirus, he died from it.  The current "Trudeau" is a deep-state clone, by the same people that cloned Ginsburg.

 

Get your ***** together, man.

 

could use his father's brain and insouciance right now....  :(

 

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2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:


I said to my mother yesterday that I completely agree with the nursing homes being shut off to visitors (even though I know how horrible that will be for residents). I also see the value in shutting down Senior Centers.

My mother's response? "We all gotta die of something."

Now, I did go on to explain to her that this is not the thing you want to die of. Gasping for air is no way to go. She, like me,  does not fear death and only wants it to be quick and painless.

If I had a relative with COPD I would do what you are doing. Even though there was no hair on fire over the coronovirus when we returned to the US in February, I did not want to visit my father in the nursing home. Prudence, practiced for those most susceptible, is understandable.




 

 

Boomers have a different view of infectious disease than the rest of the country - they're the last ones to grow up with it, before widespread use of antibiotics and vaccinations.  Our parents' attitudes like that are understandable, at least. 

 

Conversely, millennials and late Gen-Xers are the first generation to grow up with no concept of infectious disease.  Their attitudes towards this are understandable as well.

 

They're both stupid, of course.

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imagine this was treatable by antibiotics and the mass panic that would induce

 

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2 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Yup.  The p2p thing threw us for a loop.

 

It shouldn't have.  It was obviously happening in China, as a matter of casual contact (as opposed to close or intimate).  A realistic appraisal of the administration's actions would be that they dithered for as much as four weeks on a casual assumption that p2p transmission wouldn't occur here. 

 

I don't even think that was an explicit assumption, just a matter of context.  But it was still a bad assumption.

Just now, row_33 said:

imagine this was treatable by antibiotics and the mass panic that would induce

 

 

Imagine if it were treatable by toilet paper...

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11 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:


It is out there. There is NO containing it.  When the Chinese were not forthcoming, and the whole world did not close their borders to China, the world was *****. 

 

That doesn't excuse our slow response to it.  Several other Asian countries have shown how it should've been tackled because of their experience with SARs.  It's all about what to do going forward now.  We differ on the responses.  I hope you come out of your self-quarantine fine.  Stay safe.

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53 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said:

 

What is the point you are trying to make by displaying these numbers?  You aren't still beating the drum for 'no big deal' and 'total overreaction' due to current death numbers, are you?

 

If so, you did something similar a week or so ago....but with much smaller Covid-19 numbers.  Do you see that these numbers are growing rapidly?  Let me repeat, this outbreak is just beginning here.  When we look back on this in a couple of years, I think the final numbers will be tragically high.  But, I hope I am wrong...honestly I do.   Time will tell.

 

Bob, if I know anyone with a disease caused by the coronavirus, will pot treat it?

 

***** off with your stoner bull####.

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1 minute ago, DC Tom said:

 

It shouldn't have.  It was obviously happening in China, as a matter of casual contact (as opposed to close or intimate).  A realistic appraisal of the administration's actions would be that they dithered for as much as four weeks on a casual assumption that p2p transmission wouldn't occur here. 

 

I don't even think that was an explicit assumption, just a matter of context.  But it was still a bad assumption.

 

Imagine if it were treatable by toilet paper...

 

i'll do my daily run through 6 grocery stores within a mile from home and see what i can glean that is currently more priceless than diamonds

 

 

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Just now, TPS said:

That doesn't excuse our slow response to it.  Several other Asian countries have shown how it should've been tackled because of their experience with SARs.  It's all about what to do going forward now.  We differ on the responses.  I hope you come out of your self-quarantine fine.  Stay safe.

 

Wait...you mean they had the epidemiological and public health systems in place because this has happened to them before??????  :wallbash:

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Just now, TPS said:

That doesn't excuse our slow response to it.  Several other Asian countries have shown how it should've been tackled because of their experience with SARs.  It's all about what to do going forward now.  We differ on the responses.  I hope you come out of your self-quarantine fine.  Stay safe.

 

yup, America sucks, everything it does is evil and horrible....

 

too bad we weren't all living in a Communist Utopia...

 

 

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3 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

.. Imagine if it were treatable by toilet paper...

then your idiot meter would become broken.

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1 minute ago, DC Tom said:

 

Wait...you mean they had the epidemiological and public health systems in place because this has happened to them before??????  :wallbash:

I'm sure you've read the pieces on this tom. It's how they responded to keep it from getting out of control.  Good luck you and yours.

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4 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

Wait...you mean they had the epidemiological and public health systems in place because this has happened to them before??????  :wallbash:

Do we need to wait until it happens to prepare our public health systems?  Pretty sure the plan here has been "well that kinda ***** doesn't happen in America".

 

 

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19 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Yup.  I wonder how many more US cases there would've been if Trump didn't close the border to China when he did?

 

…….back open for business...…….

 

China relaxes travel restrictions in coronavirus-hit Wuhan, shifts concern to international travelers

By Travis Fedschun | Fox News

 

As Europe and the U.S. hunker down at home and stock up on supplies as coronavirus cases surge, officials in China began to ease travel restrictions on Monday in the country's epicenter of the deadly outbreak that's since spread globally.

The official Xinhua News Agency reported Monday that cities just outside the epicenter of Wuhan in the hardest-hit virus province of Hubei were chartering buses to send people who had returned home for the Lunar New Year in late January back to work.

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As Americans, I wish we could show more unity and grace in times like these - instead of this condescending/you are dumb and stupid attitude towards people with different viewpoints and opinions.

 

There are lots of people that are very concerned about this virus, and are worried about the death-toll it could take on the (especially elderly population) if steps aren't taken to slow-down the spread.  Health officials are the ones making these shut-down recommendations across the country.  Maybe they are looking at worse-case scenario.  But maybe that's not the wrong approach to take when it comes to people's lives.

 

At the same time, there are lots of people who are very concerned about how 8 weeks (maybe longer) of completely shutting down the country is going to devastate the economy/business owners/jobs/etc.  It's not about the inconvenience of losing the NBA playoffs or being stuck inside their homes with nothing to do but binge Netflix.  The long-term financial effects of this will likely be terrible on millions of families.

 

Furthermore, I wish we could just stop the political attacks.  For just a few weeks.  Please.  

I believe one of the main reasons (some) conservatives are taking this virus less seriously, is because the Democrats couldn't even wait 5 minutes before using it as ammo to attack the President.  It's absolutely pathetic and an absolute disgrace.  This virus is not ANY politicians fault, and it's clear that government officials are trying their best to protect citizens.  Even if we disagree on how quickly response times should be, or what methods are being used to keep people quarantined.  This is a situation that nobody could have been prepared for.  On the other side of the aisle, Trump himself needs to stop using every news conference as an opportunity to bash the Obama's response to H1N1.  Or why some of the above problems were due to the last administration.  The blame game needs to STOP NOW.  It's time for us to unify and move forward.  

 

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19 minutes ago, TPS said:

That doesn't excuse our slow response to it.  Several other Asian countries have shown how it should've been tackled because of their experience with SARs.  It's all about what to do going forward now.  We differ on the responses.  I hope you come out of your self-quarantine fine.  Stay safe.

  "Our" slow response is not  limited to the POTUS as some here would claim.  Many people of varying political affiliations no doubt took the attitude of "it's over there" and isolation measures are way too premature for the time being.  Also, countries such as South Korea have to perpetually deal with nations such as China and North Korea keeping secrets in regards to many things including pandemics.  Let's not confuse regional paranoia with farsightedness.  Blaming Trump at every step of this event is just playing lightning rod politics.  The trouble is after the upteenth time people will just ignore it to the displeasure of some.  

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12 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

  "Our" slow response is not  limited to the POTUS as some here would claim.  Many people of varying political affiliations no doubt took the attitude of "it's over there" and isolation measures are way too premature for the time being.  Also, countries such as South Korea have to perpetually deal with nations such as China and North Korea keeping secrets in regards to many things including pandemics.  Let's not confuse regional paranoia with farsightedness.  Blaming Trump at every step of this event is just playing lightning rod politics.  The trouble is after the upteenth time people will just ignore it to the displeasure of some.  

Yeah, sure. But Trump is more concerned about the stock market than he is about doing something, anything to find a cure for this public health crisis where so many hundreds of thousands of Americans have already died, and many millions more are going to die. More even than the one hundred fifty millions who have died from guns since 2010 according to Early Stage Joe. In fact every person that is alive today will die... someday. 

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