The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[Big Blitz]

India is fully immune.  From the stupid.   

 

 

 

 

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, Big Blitz said:

India is fully immune.  From the stupid.   

 

 

 

 

The alternate reality is believing that so many people enjoy cricket!

[Big Blitz]

 

 

"Everyone......" 

 

"Vaccine escape!"

 

"Escape Variant!"

 

 

Lock it all down until all the variants are gone!   

[US Egg]

40 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Gotcha! But....6% is huge if they’d focus on the vulnerable population. 

The term vulnerable varies. Those in their 30's and 40's, in otherwise good health, with medicinal controlled blood pressure, can get it now in N.Y. regardless of work or not.

 

[WideNine]

3 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

India is fully immune.  From the stupid.   

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just thought I would take a dip into all these sketch twitter feeds from bizarre conspiracy sites and cons. India - 100% immunity using vitamins???

 

 

 

Vendanta Empire is a reference to a messianic human reincarnation of a divine being. 

 

Re: Principia Scientific International

From media bias fact site:

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/principia-scientific-international/

 

Overall, we rate Principia Scientific International (PSI) a strong conspiracy and Pseudoscience website that promotes anti-vaccine propaganda and frequent misinformation regarding climate change.

 

Detailed Report
Factual Reporting: LOW
Country: United Kingdom
World Press Freedom Rank: UK 35/180

 

Founded by John O'Sullivan 

 

More on this guy - In a libel lawsuit O’Sullivan made a series of false claims, including:

 

that he was an attorney with more than a decade of successful litigation in New York State and Federal courts; that he was employed by a major Victoria, B.C. (Canada) law firm that is representing Ball in the libel action;
that he is a widely published writer, with credits in Forbes and the National Review; that he had received his law degree from the University College, Cork, Ireland and/or from the University of Surrey (O’Sullivan’s actual legal accreditation, apparently obtained after the Mann-Ball action commenced, comes from an online degree mill, Hill University, which promises delivery in two weeks);
that he is a member of the American Bar Association.

 

One affidavit includes an online comment in which O’Sullivan says, “For your information, I am a retired academic and I have litigated personally or assisted others in pro se litigation at every level of court there is in New York State as well as Federal level, for over a decade and never lost.” 

 

Although O’Sullivan admits in this particular comment that he is not, in fact, licensed to practice law, in the U.S. or the U.K., he adds, “I’m just some Brit with a brain who can go live with his American wife in her country and kick ass big time around a courtroom.”

 

So... basically another conman leveraging social media to dupe the gullible.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited February 26, 2021 by WideNine

[Big Blitz]

8 minutes ago, WideNine said:

 

 

 

 

Just thought I would take a dip into all these sketch twitter feeds from bizarre conspiracy sites and cons. India - 100% immunity using vitamins???

 

 

 

Vendanta Empire is in reference to a messianic human reincarnation of a divine being. 

 

Re: Principia Scientific International

From media bias fact site:

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/principia-scientific-international/

 

Overall, we rate Principia Scientific International (PSI) a strong conspiracy and Pseudoscience website that promotes anti-vaccine propaganda and frequent misinformation regarding climate change.

 

Detailed Report
Factual Reporting: LOW
Country: United Kingdom
World Press Freedom Rank: UK 35/180

 

Founded by John O'Sullivan 

 

More on this guy - In a libel lawsuit O’Sullivan made a series of false claims, including:

 

that he was an attorney with more than a decade of successful litigation in New York State and Federal courts; that he was employed by a major Victoria, B.C. (Canada) law firm that is representing Ball in the libel action;
that he is a widely published writer, with credits in Forbes and the National Review; that he had received his law degree from the University College, Cork, Ireland and/or from the University of Surrey (O’Sullivan’s actual legal accreditation, apparently obtained after the Mann-Ball action commenced, comes from an online degree mill, Hill University, which promises delivery in two weeks);
that he is a member of the American Bar Association.

 

One affidavit includes an online comment in which O’Sullivan says, “For your information, I am a retired academic and I have litigated personally or assisted others in pro se litigation at every level of court there is in New York State as well as Federal level, for over a decade and never lost.” 

 

Although O’Sullivan admits in this particular comment that he is not, in fact, licensed to practice law, in the U.S. or the U.K., he adds, “I’m just some Brit with a brain who can go live with his American wife in her country and kick ass big time around a courtroom.”

 

So... basically another conman leveraging social media to dupe the gullible.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have no idea what his prescriptions do or don't do. 

 

 

What I know is I see evidence of normalcy in the largest country in the world.  And 3rd in population density. 

 

Guess they triple masked better then us.  

[WideNine]

37 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

I have no idea what his prescriptions do or don't do. 

 

 

What I know is I see evidence of normalcy in the largest country in the world.  And 3rd in population density. 

 

Guess they triple masked better then us.  

 

This feed seems to have more realistic information. They (India) are getting a handle on their cases considering where they were at and that is cause for hope.

 

A more rational explanation is that they have had a robust vaccination effort.

 

Ours has been a bit of a hodge-podge state-by-state cluster ****, but is picking up steam....finally.

 

 

 

Edited February 26, 2021 by WideNine

[WideNine]

4 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

 

The Court ruled that the Union has the final say.  Isn't that what I said?

 

That is what you said and no, the Union did not get the final say. That link I provided was the ruling made before the State appealed.

 

The teachers union lost in appellate court against Gov. Ron DeSantis and Education Commissioner Richard Corcoran and schools reopened. So final say seemed to remain with the state.

 

https://health.wusf.usf.edu/health-news-florida/2020-12-02/appeals-court-refuses-to-revisit-florida-school-reopening-ruling

 

Now I guess teachers could just quit or go on strike, but that is a different kind of final say.

 

 

 

 

[WideNine]

In other news, some of us were discussing today the need to fast track new vaccines for Covid-19 variants: looks like that is in the works.

 

Pfizer and BioNTech Studying Third Covid-19 Vaccine Dose to Fight New Strains - WSJ

https://www.wsj.com/articles/pfizer-and-biontech-studying-third-covid-19-vaccine-dose-to-fight-new-strains-11614253507

 

Others are doing the same.

[SoCal Deek]

8 hours ago, WideNine said:

 

That is what you said and no, the Union did not get the final say. That link I provided was the ruling made before the State appealed.

 

 

 

 

Not to get too into the weeds here but as they say, anyone can take anyone into court, thus forcing the court to have the ‘final say’. My point (and the important one) is that the Union is going to be the last, but most critical, one checked with regarding the safety of their work environment. Which is the ‘final say’. It’s really no different than any other unionized work environment. In fact, that’s one of the main purposes of a labor union. It’s not only about pay.

[WideNine]

4 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

Not to get too into the weeds here but as they say, anyone can take anyone into court, thus forcing the court to have the ‘final say’. My point (and the important one) is that the Union is going to be the last, but most critical, one checked with regarding the safety of their work environment. Which is the ‘final say’. It’s really no different than any other unionized work environment. In fact, that’s one of the main purposes of a labor union. It’s not only about pay.

 

 

In the first case you said the Unions had the final say because a judge determined the Union had valid grounds to request schools remain closed for teacher safety.

 

Now, in appeals, the appellate judges reversed the ruling in favor of the States having final say in Fla.

 

So a State has the final say....at least in Fla, but any win in court (even if misguided) creates precedent that greases the wheels for other cases.

 

Tennessee has a bill in front of their GOP Senate to give their Governor final say.

 

Since the Supreme Court Janus ruling Unions have been defanged even further.

 

https://www.vox.com/2018/6/14/17437832/janus-afscme-supreme-court-union-teacher-police-public-sector

 

The power of a Union is their ability to collectively resist a decision by an employer to better negotiate for change - at least in theory.

 

They do not run the employing entity, but can influence decisions.

 

As I stated earlier it was inaccurate to say Unions had the final say on school reopenings; that power resides with the State's Dept of Education, but of course they could try to leverage their collective bargaining ability to resist a decision. 

 

That would leave the State in a situation where they would have to fill the teaching voids with contract educators and those willing to cross the picket line, or accept union demands.

 

IMO The Fla teacher's union has a case that should be reheard and appealed to a higher court. 

 

The idea that folks that work for state and federal entities (outside the obvious military and law enforcement roles) can be forced into potentially unsafe working conditions merits more debate.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited February 26, 2021 by WideNine

[Big Blitz]

CDC director warns recent decline in U.S. Covid cases may have stalled as variants spread

 

The decline in Covid-19 cases reported in the U.S. since early January may be flattening, a concerning shift as highly transmissible variants threaten to exacerbate infections, the head of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said Friday.

 

"Over the last few weeks, cases and hospital admissions in the United States have been coming down since early January, and deaths have been declining in the past week," CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky said during a press briefing. "But the latest data suggest that these declines may be stalling, potentially leveling off at still a very high number."

 

https://www-cnbc-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/02/26/cdc-director-warns-recent-decline-in-us-covid-cases-may-have-stalled-as-variants-spread.html?amp_js_v=a6&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA%3D#aoh=16143657705154&csi=1&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From %1%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnbc.com%2F2021%2F02%2F26%2Fcdc-director-warns-recent-decline-in-us-covid-cases-may-have-stalled-as-variants-spread.html

 

[SoCal Deek]

1 hour ago, WideNine said:

 

 

In the first case you said the Unions had the final say because a judge determined the Union had valid grounds to request schools remain closed for teacher safety.

 

Now, in appeals, the appellate judges reversed the ruling in favor of the States having final say in Fla.

 

So a State has the final say....at least in Fla, but any win in court (even if misguided) creates precedent that greases the wheels for other cases.

 

Tennessee has a bill in front of their GOP Senate to give their Governor final say.

 

Since the Supreme Court Janus ruling Unions have been defanged even further.

 

https://www.vox.com/2018/6/14/17437832/janus-afscme-supreme-court-union-teacher-police-public-sector

 

The power of a Union is their ability to collectively resist a decision by an employer to better negotiate for change - at least in theory.

 

They do not run the employing entity, but can influence decisions.

 

As I stated earlier it was inaccurate to say Unions had the final say on school reopenings; that power resides with the State's Dept of Education, but of course they could try to leverage their collective bargaining ability to resist a decision. 

 

That would leave the State in a situation where they would have to fill the teaching voids with contract educators and those willing to cross the picket line, or accept union demands.

 

IMO The Fla teacher's union has a case that should be reheard and appealed to a higher court. 

 

The idea that folks that work for state and federal entities (outside the obvious military and law enforcement roles) can be forced into potentially unsafe working conditions merits more debate.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I can only assume you're a lawyer.  You can turn even the simplest of concepts down a rabbit hole of nuances. 😉

Edited February 26, 2021 by SoCal Deek

[Big Blitz]

 

"Improving."  Omg. 

 

Tell that to business owners in NYC, Washington DC, Chicago, Los Angeles and others.  

 

 

The detachment from reality.....no check that they know half the people reading that are dupes nodding along in full agreement.  

[WideNine]

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

I can only assume you're a lawyer.  You can turn even the simplest of concepts down a rabbit hole of nuances. 😉

 

 

So yes, guilty as charged, as I do take some perverse joy out of folks getting wrapped around the axle when they defend a poor position on a topic or statement of fact. 

 

I take some comfort knowing that I am probably not alone on this forum in that regard.

 

I have been caught out at times here, once recently when someone corrected me that the Hilary campaign did indeed sign onto a lawsuit questioning the Trump election results.

 

I could have twisted in the wind tried to defend my misstatement, but he was right, I was wrong. I just conceded his point quickly.

 

Life goes on and I learned something new.

 

 

 

[SoCal Deek]

16 hours ago, WideNine said:

 

 

So yes, guilty as charged, as I do take some perverse joy out of folks getting wrapped around the axle when they defend a poor position on a topic or statement of fact. 

 

I take some comfort knowing that I am probably not alone on this forum in that regard.

 

I have been caught out at times here, once recently when someone corrected me that the Hilary campaign did indeed sign onto a lawsuit questioning the Trump election results.

 

I could have twisted in the wind tried to defend my misstatement, but he was right, I was wrong. I just conceded his point quickly.

 

Life goes on and I learned something new.

 

 

 

Well at least you’re in there ‘making an argument’. I’ll give you that. It’s much more fun than those who immediately resort to name calling and slander. (You know who they are.)

[BillStime]

 

[daz28]

6 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

Bro, he's even doing the hocus pocus alakazam hands to complete the deception.  LOL

How did 70 million people thing we needed more of this??????????????????????????

[BillStime]

1 hour ago, daz28 said:

Bro, he's even doing the hocus pocus alakazam hands to complete the deception.  LOL

How did 70 million people thing we needed more of this??????????????????????????

 

Trump validates their racism and xenophobia and that is worth everything to them. 

[B-Man]

 

 

North Carolina’s Democrat governor just vetoed a bill that would have had schools open for in-person learning #SB37

 

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/02/26/north-carolinas-dem-gov-just-vetoed-a-bill-that-would-have-forced-schools-to-open-for-in-person-learning-sb37/

 

[BillStime]

4 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

North Carolina’s Democrat governor just vetoed a bill that would have had schools open for in-person learning #SB37

 

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/02/26/north-carolinas-dem-gov-just-vetoed-a-bill-that-would-have-forced-schools-to-open-for-in-person-learning-sb37/

 

 

Why did he veto?

[daz28]

36 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

Trump validates their racism and xenophobia and that is worth everything to them. 

You mean freedumb, and American values.  The far left DOES go too far, but that's mostly because the other side refuses to acknowledge ANYTHING.  As I've already said today, the far right and far left cause most of our problems.  

[WideNine]

7 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

Well at least you’re in there ‘making an argument’. I’ll give you that. It’s much more fun than those who immediately resort to name calling and slander. (You know who they are.)

 

 

I do TRY to make points using valid sources, reason, and logic.

 

But it stands to reason that you cannot use reason and logic to unwind someone who takes an illogical and unreasonable position from the get-go.

 

Someone who is misinformed and open to better information, you have a chance... I think this forum becomes a better place when you have more of this and less polarized echo-chambers.

 

And yes...the name-calling just means they checked their inventory of material upstairs and came up empty.

 

 

 

 

[BillStime]

7 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

North Carolina’s Democrat governor just vetoed a bill that would have had schools open for in-person learning #SB37

 

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/02/26/north-carolinas-dem-gov-just-vetoed-a-bill-that-would-have-forced-schools-to-open-for-in-person-learning-sb37/

 

Open up the schools but...

 

 

[Scraps]

On 2/3/2021 at 10:28 PM, Doc said:

 

I disagree.  You replace it ASAP/when it's fresh on everyone's minds (especially when you realize you got lucky) because you never know when the next pandemic will hit.  I can't fathom the justification for leaving it for another administration, much less in 5 years, to address. 

 

The Republican controlled Congress appropriated less funds than the Obama administration requested for this.  Trump requested less funds than Congress appropriated.

[SoCal Deek]

13 hours ago, Scraps said:

 

The Republican controlled Congress appropriated less funds than the Obama administration requested for this.  Trump requested less funds than Congress appropriated.

One would think it’s up to Lord Fauci to stand up and scream for this funding....no? Or was he too busy every day for the last half decade?

[oldmanfan]

17 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

One would think it’s up to Lord Fauci to stand up and scream for this funding....no? Or was he too busy every day for the last half decade?

Dr. Fauci is the preeminent infectious disease specialist in the world and has been so for decades.  To throw insults at him is petty and silly.  
 

I am quite sure he voiced any concerns he had about such matters to the various administrations he has worked for over the years.  And administrations that did not take appropriate precautions against pandemics regardless of party were wrong.0

[mjd1001]

On 2/25/2021 at 2:29 PM, Doc said:

 

Funny.  The MSM thought we should be alarming everyone last year.  Now crickets as the variants start to invade.

Look at the charts today (Sunday). Yesterdays report numbers were a tad bit better week-over-week, but today now they show a slight uptick week-over-week by the day.

So as of this morning, we are at 4 of the last 5 days where the number of cases reported on a given day this week is slightly higher than reported on the same day the previous week.

 

Alarming?  Maybe not? A turning point in the trend? hopefully not, hopefully just statistical noise...but certainly something to keep watching if this continues for the next few days.

 

Dig a little deaper into the numbers....for the last 4 or 5 weeks, the 7 day moving average on a state by state basis was steady or moving down in just about every single state. That has changed now also as of this morning.  The 7 day moving average of cases is now rising in...Maine, New Jersey, Texas, Delaware, Georgia, Florida, Nebraska, TN, Arkansas, N. Mexico, Nebraska, S. Dakota, N. Dakota, Idaho, and Washington....with another handful of states where the moving average is close to turning up.

Edited February 28, 2021 by mjd1001

[ALF]

Manufacturing CEO: Before Biden, it felt like we were fighting the pandemic alone

 

New York (CNN Business)A former Republican operative who now leads one of the nation's most powerful business groups is praising President Joe Biden's efforts to defeat the coronavirus pandemic.

 

"It is fantastic to have a partner in the White House," Jay Timmons, president and CEO of the National Association of Manufacturers, told CNN Business. "We felt like we were fighting this fight, frankly, all alone for the last year."

NAM, which represents more than 130,000 manufacturers, announced Friday it is planning to partner with the Biden administration to help fight the pandemic

 

"It seemed like so often over the course of the last year, the pandemic was weaponized and it became a political tool," he said, adding that he was dismayed dismay over disinformation that confused the public. "500,000 Americans have already died because we as a society didn't take the pandemic seriously enough.

 

https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/27/business/manufacturing-ceo-covid-biden-trump/index.html

[SoCal Deek]

1 hour ago, oldmanfan said:

Dr. Fauci is the preeminent infectious disease specialist in the world and has been so for decades.  To throw insults at him is petty and silly.  
 

I am quite sure he voiced any concerns he had about such matters to the various administrations he has worked for over the years.  And administrations that did not take appropriate precautions against pandemics regardless of party were wrong.0

😂😂😂😂😂

Fauci is a publicity addicted hack

[oldmanfan]

7 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

😂😂😂😂😂

Fauci is a publicity addicted hack

He is a preeminent scientist.  Stop your partisan crap.

[Scraps]

3 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

One would think it’s up to Lord Fauci to stand up and scream for this funding....no? Or was he too busy every day for the last half decade?

Trumptards say the dumbest things.

 

Why would you believe that would be Fauci's role?  He is a career scientist at the research arm of the DHHS.  The National Stockpile was under the CDC.  It would be like saying the Naval Research Laboratory would be responsible for the supply chain for the B-2 Bomber in the Air Force.

 

One person who could have affected the stockpile was Trump.  He actually proposed cuts to its funding.

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

😂😂😂😂😂

Fauci Trump is a publicity addicted hack

 

Fixed that for ya.

[Big Blitz]

Haha at what point do the dupes realize "if we pull back restrictions too soon" means "we are never pulling back restrictions."

 

What a piece of garbage this clown is.  And the fake journalist with the pathetic follow up "how helpful is this to the 'recovery?'

 

No moron.  The question should be "why were you so wrong and Noem so right?  And what does she do for arm day?"

 

 

 

[B-Man]

[Big Blitz]

 

[Big Blitz]

On 2/23/2021 at 10:36 PM, Big Blitz said:

Everyone brace yourselves.

 

The next hysteria is 50 million kids aren't vaccinated so it's not safe yet.

 

Mitigation continues as is.  High Schools zero chance of reopening in September.

 

And they won't be getting vaccinated in 2021.  

 

I'm not telling you this because I agree with it.  I'm telling you this is what these lunatics are going to be doing for the duration of this calendar year, minimum.

 

When POS Fauci and others say "some semblance of normalcy" this is exactly what they mean and will be using to keep this going.  

 

That and we don't know how long the vaccines last.  

 

I'm right 98% of the time:

 

September 2023.  Maybe.  That's almost FOUR YEARS TO "FLATTEN THE CURVE."

 

Fauci: Children "very likely" to get COVID vaccine at start of 2022

 

Children under age 12 will "very likely" be able to get vaccinated for coronavirus at the "earliest the end of the year, and very likely the first quarter of 2022," NIAID Director Anthony Fauci told "Meet the Press" Sunday.

 

Why it matters: Children generally aren't at risk of serious coronavirus infections, but vaccinating them will be key to protecting the adults around them and, eventually, reaching herd immunity, writes Axios' Caitlin Owens.

 

The sooner children have a vaccine, the sooner schools and child care can go back to normal, which will greatly ease the burden on millions of parents.

 

https://www.axios.com/covid-vaccine-fauci-children-2022-likely-1313a4ea-d6ff-4c62-b11a-c7950cc33dc7.html

 

 

So now it's our job to make sure the kids aren't a threat to the what should be fully vaccinated adults around them.  I'd say I'm stunned....nope I've been telling people this is the next phase for months.     

 

Can people please wake the f up??  

 

 

 

Your middle age to high schoolers (K-5 also they distribute misery equally) are going to be mitigating and distancing and going to fake school for over THREE YEARS come September of 2023 when based on their metrics that they've always been lying about are EVER EVEN CLOSE TO BEING MET.   

 

You think the schools let alone the damage done to the kids will ever recover from this?

 

No dances.  No normal extracurricular.  No socializing.  No normal anything.  Teachers with 6 foot poles between kids, 80% of whom will choose fake school over that dystopian nightmare all day.   

 

Not because that's how it should be.......it's what they are planning to have happen and aren't telling you.

 

Kids and parents are feeling powerless and hopeless and are being strung along by this farce.  The damage is incalculable.  

Edited March 1, 2021 by Big Blitz

[ALF]

Trump's incompetence allowed covid to get way out of control here , 513,000+ deaths so far.

[SoCal Deek]

4 hours ago, ALF said:

Trump's incompetence allowed covid to get way out of control here , 513,000+ deaths so far.

And Biden has done what differently? Answer: nothing. If Covid can be so easily controlled from the White House  then please list the many things Biden has done to change the current state of affairs. Answer again: absolutely nothing. (Well he did mandate masks in the Post Office.)

[SoCal Deek]

20 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

He is a preeminent scientist.  Stop your partisan crap.

Oldman...my comments are not partisan, and it’s interesting you immediately went there. Why would it be partisan? I’m just not at all impressed with his presentation style or ever changing shallow dive into what has to be the most important topic of his long career. He constantly skims the surface and rarely cites any scientific studies (even after a year) but instead seems to shoot from the hip with hunches equivalent to those anyone who’s not a ‘preeminent’ scientist would make sitting on a stool in a sports bar (assuming one is open somewhere). Just my two cents...and NOT partisan. 

[oldmanfan]

2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Oldman...my comments are not partisan, and it’s interesting you immediately went there. Why would it be partisan? I’m just not at all impressed with his presentation style or ever changing shallow dive into what has to be the most important topic of his long career. He constantly skims the surface and rarely cites any scientific studies (even after a year) but instead seems to shoot from the hip with hunches equivalent to those anyone who’s not a ‘preeminent’ scientist would make sitting on a stool in a sports bar (assuming one is open somewhere). Just my two cents...and NOT partisan. 

My apologies but it did sound that way.  There is no question Fauci is one of the best in his field in the world.  He does not shoot from the hip; he looks at data and is appropriately cautious when doing so.