The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[Big Blitz]

3 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

I think it’s simply a reflection of a full year plus of restrictions for some but not for all, a reliance on the science mandated for some but not all, government fingers in the pie destroying some businesses and not others, and a recognition that the absolute safest place to be during this virus is to be In the employ of those pulling the lockdown strings.  Everyone else must fend for themselves. 
 

From a leadership perspective, a good start would be for Biden to implore teachers unions to do the right thing by the children and communities they serve to get the children back in school.   Or, appeal directly to the teachers to bypass the unions and show up to the classroom.  There are many, many teachers who believe it’s past time to do so, but are likely fearful of going against the grain. 
 

It’s difficult to be positive when your back is against the wall, your children are suffering and govt is dicking around.

 

Exactly 

 

And there is no end in sight.  If they thought these vaccines were it, they'd be saying so.

 

I'll bet my house, life, everything that we are all still mitigating 6 feet for life sheep by March.....of 2022.  

 

It's simple.  

 

We have given the government the power to mitigate and shut us down if we had the numbers we had in August of 2020.  What were our percent positives as a country then?  5?  Cases at like 20K a day.  

 

And we were mitigating and closed.  

 

 

We are NEVER going to have less then 20K cases and hundreds of deaths a day for YEARS. 

 

Thus, mitigating, masks, distancing and everything that means.  Tell me why that's wrong.  We should be full open immediately.  You stay home till you get the vaccine.  That's it. 

 

People will not get the vaccine by choice.  And we aren't giving it to kids under 18 and 16.  How you eradicating the virus that have f....ing somehow ridiculously become the goal??

 

 

F....ing nightmare.  By CHOICE.  Because it's just freedom guys we need to look out for each other!!   No, we don't.  I need to look out for my kids and my family.  You go hide.  

 

Oh yea...and wait till the vaccinated start getting sick in January en masse bc immunity is only a year....we don't know.  

Edited January 27, 2021 by Big Blitz

[TSOL]

6 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

Exactly 

 

And there is no end in sight.  If they thought these vaccines were it, they'd be saying so.

 

I'll bet my house, life, everything that we are all still mitigating 6 feet for life sheep by March.....of 2022.  

 

It's simple.  

 

We have given the government the power to mitigate and shut us down if we had the numbers we had in August of 2020.  What were our percent positives as a country then?  5?  Cases at like 20K a day.  

 

And we were mitigating and closed.  

 

 

We are NEVER going to have less then 20K cases and hundreds of deaths a day for YEARS. 

 

Thus, mitigating, masks, distancing and everything that means.  Tell me why that's wrong.  People will not get the vaccine by choice.  And we aren't giving it to kids under 18 and 16.  How you eradicating the virus that have f....ing somehow ridiculously become the goal??

 

 

F....ing nightmare.  By CHOICE.  Because it's just freedom guys we need to look out for each other!!   No, we don't.  I need to look out for my kids and my family.  You go hide.  

 

 

 

The laws of man will never supercede the laws of nature, and the #1 law of nature is survival of the fittest. Covid isn't doing anything that nature hasn't already and always done. 

 

Stay frosty out there peoples

 

[Big Blitz]

 

[BillStime]

2 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

 

Exactly 

 

And there is no end in sight.  If they thought these vaccines were it, they'd be saying so.

 

I'll bet my house, life, everything that we are all still mitigating 6 feet for life sheep by March.....of 2022.  

 

It's simple.  

 

We have given the government the power to mitigate and shut us down if we had the numbers we had in August of 2020.  What were our percent positives as a country then?  5?  Cases at like 20K a day.  

 

And we were mitigating and closed.  

 

 

We are NEVER going to have less then 20K cases and hundreds of deaths a day for YEARS. 

 

Thus, mitigating, masks, distancing and everything that means.  Tell me why that's wrong.  We should be full open immediately.  You stay home till you get the vaccine.  That's it. 

 

People will not get the vaccine by choice.  And we aren't giving it to kids under 18 and 16.  How you eradicating the virus that have f....ing somehow ridiculously become the goal??

 

 

F....ing nightmare.  By CHOICE.  Because it's just freedom guys we need to look out for each other!!   No, we don't.  I need to look out for my kids and my family.  You go hide.  

 

Oh yea...and wait till the vaccinated start getting sick in January en masse bc immunity is only a year....we don't know.  

 

Why didn't Trump just order enough vaccines to begin with?

 

And why did he leave Biden with no execution plan?

 

 

[Doc Brown]

5 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

I think it’s simply a reflection of a full year plus of restrictions for some but not for all, a reliance on the science mandated for some but not all, government fingers in the pie destroying some businesses and not others, and a recognition that the absolute safest place to be during this virus is to be In the employ of those pulling the lockdown strings.  Everyone else must fend for themselves. 
 

From a leadership perspective, a good start would be for Biden to implore teachers unions to do the right thing by the children and communities they serve to get the children back in school.   Or, appeal directly to the teachers to bypass the unions and show up to the classroom.  There are many, many teachers who believe it’s past time to do so, but are likely fearful of going against the grain. 
 

It’s difficult to be positive when your back is against the wall, your children are suffering and govt is dicking around.

I'd like to hear from them.  Looking at the school thing from a different perspective.  I've worked for a lot of years with teachers and they've been programmed to accept that they're going to get a virus/flu as a 1,000 kids in a building will spread virus rapidly each winter.  All new teachers will catch it within their first couple of years until they build up immunity.  So teachers have become conditioned to accept the fact that they're at higher risk than most for catching whatever bug is going around each winter.  However, with Covid being a more deadly virus for many teachers who fall in the "at risk" range I can understand why they're so hesitant to go back and the unions are fighting for them.  It's entrenched in their mind that schools are a virus petri dish and their likelihood of catching it is high.  Kids being less likely to catch it and spread isn't common knowledge unfortunately.  The unions will keep fighting until the kids and teachers are vaccinated unfortunately.  

 

I get that people come here to vent and many bring up good points about whether government is doing too much or not enough.  They're also looking for someone to blame for this disruption in our way of life and politicians are easy targets (both at a local and federal level).  My thinking is just do the best you can and focus on convincing as many people as you can to get the vaccine ASAP if it's available to you.  It's our only way out of this. 

[LDD]

12 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

Well into 2022...

 

 

Joe Biden Revises Promise: Enough Vaccines for 300 Million Americans by Early Fall

 

President Joe Biden clarified Tuesday that he expected the delivery of enough vaccine doses for 300 million Americans by early fall.

 

On Monday, Biden told a reporter that enough vaccines would be available for every American who wanted one in the spring.

 

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/01/26/joe-biden-revises-promise-enough-vaccines-for-300-million-americans-by-early-fall/

 

 

Can they just tell us please that mitigation distancing and all that means is indefinite. 

 

I can't take the looks on my kids faces anymore as I had to tell them AGAIN that we are still full virtual into March.  The Unions here are saying now the vaccine isn't enough.....the metrics are to high and its still in the community.  The teachers don't feel safe.  

 

School year is over.  That's it.  1 and 1/2 year of education gone.  And it's going to be the same ***t in September.  If you still don't understand this I want to know what you're smoking.   

Yes, and it's a shame.  It really sucks.  It is the fault of selfish people.  I live in rural PA and we've been in and out of school all year based on case loads.  I just had to tell my son, a junior and the starting PG on the varsity basketball team that he is quarantined for two weeks.  We lost three varsity starters and two juniors this week from a squad that should be running it.  I also had to tell his friend who just got back from a 14 day quarantine that he is gone again too.  The virus will do what the virus will do but people not following SIMPLE mitigation efforts are wrecking the school experience for our kids.  The grass isn't always greener.  Going back to school in this mess puts a whole new set of factors into play. 

Edited January 27, 2021 by LDD

[Big Blitz]

4 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

Why didn't Trump just order enough vaccines to begin with?

 

And why did he leave Biden with no execution plan?

 

 

 

 

I mean Joe had a plan you voted for....

 

 

[BillStime]

1 minute ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

I mean Joe had a plan you voted for....

 

 

 

Why didn't Trump just order enough vaccines to begin with?

[Big Blitz]

4 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

Why didn't Trump just order enough vaccines to begin with?

 

 

He did.  Where is anyone saying they did not?  

 

Why did Amazon wait till Jan 21st to help distribute?

 

 

[BillStime]

8 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

He did.  Where is anyone saying they did not?  

 

Why did Amazon wait till Jan 21st to help distribute?

 

 

 

How many did Trump order?  

 

I'm not Jeff Bezos - reach out to him.

[ziltoid]

45 minutes ago, LDD said:

Yes, and it's a shame.  It really sucks.  It is the fault of selfish people.  I live in rural PA and we've been in and out of school all year based on case loads.  I just had to tell my son, a junior and the starting PG on the varsity basketball team that he is quarantined for two weeks.  We lost three varsity starters and two juniors this week from a squad that should be running it.  I also had to tell his friend who just got back from a 14 day quarantine that he is gone again too.  The virus will do what the virus will do but people not following SIMPLE mitigation efforts are wrecking the school experience for our kids.  The grass isn't always greener.  Going back to school in this mess puts a whole new set of factors into play. 

Being accepting of this new norm is crazy.  Why didn't we respond this way to Polio?  Were we all selfish back in the mid 1900s?

[GaryPinC]

2 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

I'd like to hear from them.  Looking at the school thing from a different perspective.  I've worked for a lot of years with teachers and they've been programmed to accept that they're going to get a virus/flu as a 1,000 kids in a building will spread virus rapidly each winter.  All new teachers will catch it within their first couple of years until they build up immunity.  So teachers have become conditioned to accept the fact that they're at higher risk than most for catching whatever bug is going around each winter.  However, with Covid being a more deadly virus for many teachers who fall in the "at risk" range I can understand why they're so hesitant to go back and the unions are fighting for them.  It's entrenched in their mind that schools are a virus petri dish and their likelihood of catching it is high.  Kids being less likely to catch it and spread isn't common knowledge unfortunately.  The unions will keep fighting until the kids and teachers are vaccinated unfortunately.  

 

I get that people come here to vent and many bring up good points about whether government is doing too much or not enough.  They're also looking for someone to blame for this disruption in our way of life and politicians are easy targets (both at a local and federal level).  My thinking is just do the best you can and focus on convincing as many people as you can to get the vaccine ASAP if it's available to you.  It's our only way out of this. 

 

Actually, I don't think this is correct.  Edit:  Young children seem less likely to catch it but this does not apply to older kids.  Kids are much less likely to experience symptoms, especially severe, but can still contract and spread the virus is my understanding.  Subtle but big difference, especially as many kids know Covid won't have any serious direct effect on them.

 

Also, CDC is saying schools can be open with precautions:  https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2021/01/27/covid-schools-cdc-reports-how-classes-can-safe-prevent-spread/4278356001/

 

I know my local schools have done a good job with it and looking at their data there have been no significant outbreaks when the schools are open.

 

I most certainly agree that the vaccine is the only way out.

Edited January 27, 2021 by GaryPinC

[TBBills]

Wasted money...

 

https://www.readfrontier.org/stories/oklahoma-trying-to-return-its-2m-stockpile-of-hydroxychloroquine/

[Doc Brown]

1 hour ago, GaryPinC said:

 

Actually, I don't think this is correct.  Edit:  Young children seem less likely to catch it but this does not apply to older kids.  Kids are much less likely to experience symptoms, especially severe, but can still contract and spread the virus is my understanding.  Subtle but big difference, especially as many kids know Covid won't have any serious direct effect on them.

 

Also, CDC is saying schools can be open with precautions:  https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2021/01/27/covid-schools-cdc-reports-how-classes-can-safe-prevent-spread/4278356001/

 

I know my local schools have done a good job with it and looking at their data there have been no significant outbreaks when the schools are open.

 

I most certainly agree that the vaccine is the only way out.

They did a study in Iceland where it showed kids under 15 were only about half as likely to contract it and spread it.  Basically the exact opposite of common cold and flu strands where they spread it like wildfire.  Here's a snippet from the study....

 

National Geographic was given exclusive access to the results from an Icelandic study that provides definitive evidence of how much children contribute to coronavirus spread. Researchers with the nation’s Directorate of Health and deCODE genetics, a human-genomics company in Reykjavik, monitored every adult and child in the country who was quarantined after potentially being exposed this spring, using contact tracing and genetic sequencing to trace links between various outbreak clusters. This 40,000-person study found that children under 15 were about half as likely as adults to be infected, and only half as likely as adults to transmit the virus to others. Almost all the coronavirus transmissions to children came from adults.

 

 

[Big Blitz]

Just read the "disclaimers" on the vaccine a relative of mine sent me when they got the shot they don't need.  

 

They basically say "we don't know if this works.  You still could carry and thus spread the virus.  It may just lesson severity.  Good luck."

 

 

YEARS.  Mitigating well beyond 2022.  Hybrid and virtual schools.  Distancing (absurd).  Masks (do jack ***t).  And limited capacity everything if anything.  Because you let them.  

 

Someone explain to me how they think it will be any different then that in the next 12 months and why.  

 

 

My 7 year year old will be going on 10 when maybe more than 1 member of the family can see her indoor sporting events.  

 

Edited January 28, 2021 by Big Blitz

[LDD]

17 hours ago, BeerLeagueHockey said:

Being accepting of this new norm is crazy.  Why didn't we respond this way to Polio?  Were we all selfish back in the mid 1900s?

You can't have everything.  If you don't make a sacrifice in one area, you lose something else.  Kids are taking it on the chin and selfish adults DGAF.  But, whatever.  We get what we deserve I suppose. 

Edited January 28, 2021 by LDD
Additionally...I never understood why this pandemic was framed as anything other than a public health crisis that we all needed to solve together.

[SoCal Deek]

Another 4,000 Americans up on the Biden Virus tote board yesterday. Nice plan Joe! How many pages is it again? 

[Big Blitz]

From my Congressman...more FAQs:

 

If I have been vaccinated, do I have to continue the other recommended COVID-19 precautions (e.g., wearing a mask, staying 6 feet apart from others, avoiding indoor crowds, washing hands often)?

 

Yes. Currently, there is limited information on how well the COVID-19 vaccine can reduce the spread of COVID-19 and how long a person's protection lasts. If you received the first dose of the COVID-19 vaccine or you received both doses, you should continue to follow prevention measures to protect yourself and others. This means wearing a mask, staying at least 6 feet away from others, avoiding crowds (especially in indoor places), and washing your hands often.

 

 

 

 

 

"And Congressman, how long do you anticipate us keeping up with these soul and mental health crushing measures?  What is the endgame since you want to inject us with an experimental vaccine?"

 

Thanks.

 

 

Signed, 

 

Absolutely no one in the media or the public that thinks bc of vaccine we'll be "back to normal" by .......?  I mean do they even know/care?

[Big Blitz]

Of course 

 

Question nothing 

 

Years.  

[ziltoid]

12 hours ago, LDD said:

You can't have everything.  If you don't make a sacrifice in one area, you lose something else.  Kids are taking it on the chin and selfish adults DGAF.  But, whatever.  We get what we deserve I suppose. 

Ain’t no collectively solving this one. We’re fuct for life. Masks, life.  Distancing, always.  Kids, ***** off.  Go learn on your own.  Sports? Concerts? Only for the uber rich from here on out.  J&J shot? Whoopty frickin do. The metrics will be the same next winter.

 

When you tards wake up, don’t come crying to me.

[TBBills]

30 minutes ago, BeerLeagueHockey said:

Ain’t no collectively solving this one. We’re fuct for life. Masks, life.  Distancing, always.  Kids, ***** off.  Go learn on your own.  Sports? Concerts? Only for the uber rich from here on out.  J&J shot? Whoopty frickin do. The metrics will be the same next winter.

 

When you tards wake up, don’t come crying to me.

That's funny as *****.

[Big Blitz]

 

[transplantbillsfan]

On 1/27/2021 at 3:52 AM, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

I think it’s simply a reflection of a full year plus of restrictions for some but not for all, a reliance on the science mandated for some but not all, government fingers in the pie destroying some businesses and not others, and a recognition that the absolute safest place to be during this virus is to be In the employ of those pulling the lockdown strings.  Everyone else must fend for themselves. 
 

From a leadership perspective, a good start would be for Biden to implore teachers unions to do the right thing by the children and communities they serve to get the children back in school.   Or, appeal directly to the teachers to bypass the unions and show up to the classroom.  There are many, many teachers who believe it’s past time to do so, but are likely fearful of going against the grain. 
 

It’s difficult to be positive when your back is against the wall, your children are suffering and govt is dicking around.

 

I think you overestimate what schools would be like "if only teachers were willing."

 

I teach at a relatively large High School of about 2,000 students. All parents and students have an "opt-out" policy of in person learning. That means that any student must be allowed to learn fully virtually from home. I don't know if you disapprove of allowing this concession, but during a Pandemic, I think most would agree it's reasonable.

 

There are about 800 students who are 100% virtual at our school right now. And I live in the least affected state in our country as far as the Pandemic is concerned.

 

Parents in our country don't want to send their kids back to school during a Pandemic if they don't have to... and over the last year that term "have to" has been malleable in our country.

 

Pinning all or most of this on teachers is farcical and "getting students back into the classroom" isn't remotely  what you think it is.

Edited January 29, 2021 by transplantbillsfan

[LDD]

11 hours ago, BeerLeagueHockey said:

Ain’t no collectively solving this one. We’re fuct for life. Masks, life.  Distancing, always.  Kids, ***** off.  Go learn on your own.  Sports? Concerts? Only for the uber rich from here on out.  J&J shot? Whoopty frickin do. The metrics will be the same next winter.

 

When you tards wake up, don’t come crying to me.

Sounds like you are for sure.  I had it because the little bastids give it ta me.  I'm immune for a bit now.  Got a shot comin.  I plan on livin.  I will look you up the next time I need a dire crystal ball prediction from a crank.  This board is good for that. 

[oldmanfan]

23 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

Another 4,000 Americans up on the Biden Virus tote board yesterday. Nice plan Joe! How many pages is it again? 

It is unrealistic to think a new administration on day 9 can change things dramatically in that time frame.  But you know that, don't you?

[TSOL]

5 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

I think you overestimate what schools would be like "if only teachers were willing."

 

I teach at a relatively large High School of about 2,000 students. All parents and students have an "opt-out" policy of in person learning. That means that any student must be allowed to learn fully virtually from home. I don't know if you disapprove of allowing this concession, but during a Pandemic, I think most would agree it's reasonable.

 

There are about 800 students who are 100% virtual at our school right now. And I live in the least affected state in our country as far as the Pandemic is concerned.

 

Parents in our country don't want to send their kids back to school during a Pandemic if they don't have to... and over the last year that term "have to" has been malleable in our country.

 

Pinning all or most of this on teachers is farcical and "getting students back into the classroom" isn't remotely  what you think it is.

 

 

In NYS private schools have been open for some time now. Since at least October, I believe. My older has been in full time school since then and there haven't been any problems with in person learning with a full classroom so far.

 

My younger is still young enough that we aren't as worried about in person learning, he does well with virtual learning so he is still in public school, and learning from home.

 

Now, I glean a couple things from this.

 

1. Children of parents with means can still get a normal education. While children of lesser means are falling behind. 

 

2. Now watching what the buffalo teachers union is saying, I think they are over complicating getting the kids back to school. Teachers and kids CAN be in the classroom without covid running through the schools like wildfire. 

 

 

[SoCal Deek]

4,000 more yesterday Joe! You clearly haven’t finished reading all 400 pages of your Plan but can I suggest you hurry up. Here’s a hint....skip to the end. The answers are normally found in the back, or not.

[oldmanfan]

7 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

4,000 more yesterday Joe! You clearly haven’t finished reading all 400 pages of your Plan but can I suggest you hurry up. Here’s a hint....skip to the end. The answers are normally found in the back, or not.

With respect, you are being ridiculous. This is the 9th day of the new administration.

[BillStime]

10 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

4,000 more yesterday Joe! You clearly haven’t finished reading all 400 pages of your Plan but can I suggest you hurry up. Here’s a hint....skip to the end. The answers are normally found in the back, or not.

 

"Virus is gonna virus"

 

Why aren't you blaming China now?

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

10 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

I think you overestimate what schools would be like "if only teachers were willing."

 

I teach at a relatively large High School of about 2,000 students. All parents and students have an "opt-out" policy of in person learning. That means that any student must be allowed to learn fully virtually from home. I don't know if you disapprove of allowing this concession, but during a Pandemic, I think most would agree it's reasonable.

 

There are about 800 students who are 100% virtual at our school right now. And I live in the least affected state in our country as far as the Pandemic is concerned.

 

Parents in our country don't want to send their kids back to school during a Pandemic if they don't have to... and over the last year that term "have to" has been malleable in our country.

 

Pinning all or most of this on teachers is farcical and "getting students back into the classroom" isn't remotely  what you think it is.

I've read my comments a couple times and don't see where I ever said "if only teachers were willing.".  I'm not sure if someone else wrote that, or if you're summarizing my comments as you see fit, but you missed the point of my post.  

 

@Doc Brown had shared his perspective with another poster in stating "I'm don't really understand this fatalistic attitude you have..." as it related to @Big Blitz comments about schools, virtual classes and so on.  

 

My response dealt with the reasons that some people might well have just that attitude.  For those of us that followed the recommendations, it simply seems like the science is arbitrarily enforced, that COVID hovers over some large gatherings of people in major cities while seeking out Thanksgiving dinner with Grandma like a scud missile, and that school closings/lockdowns/virtual classes are problematic even given the pandemic.  Still, those of us questioning the rather odd application of science rules followed the guidelines and supported school closings and lockdowns.  To put it simply, it was what it was.

 

The world has shifted again. Dr. Faucci and the CDC are sending a different message, and the message is to follow CDC guidelines and get the children back in school.  For those in the profession that feel it's not safe, or the guidelines are not stringent enough, well they have the right to decide not to return to the classroom.  That's the type of difficult decision that people are confronted with everyday during non-pandemic times.  There are options--sick time, vacation/personal time, working virtually if the employer allows it and can accommodate the request, retirement, or maybe they should seek out other employment.  

 

Thanks for sharing some of the details about the school where you work.  What you've laid out is that 40% of the students are virtual, 60% attend live classes.  I'm not sure that makes the point you're trying to make.  It seems by extension that some of your peers are back at the school and working to serve the 1,200 students.  My point to Doc was that it seems there are many teachers who want to be in the classroom, and I have friends in NY who feel that way.  Did you feel that I was taking a shot at them? I wasn't, I think it's admirable--but not necessarily any more or less admirable than for everyone else who is at work.  For those that choose to stay virtual--if the district can manage it, if the results meet or exceed expectations for a quality learning experience, great.  If not, seems like science should prevail.  

 

As for parents wanting to keep their children at home, sure, some feel that way.  Many do not, and the frustration is mounting.  Here's an example:

https://www.foxcarolina.com/dad-rants-about-school-shutdown-in-viral-video/video_e58e7c3f-61b1-5010-a6c0-f7ed2bc975e7.html

 

 

Finally, I know you're a sensitive soul, but I don't see where I pinned anything on teachers.  I suggested Joe Biden should lead on the CDC/Faucci guidelines, and speak against scenarios like the Chicago union situation where it goes against guidance.   I'm not sure what's controversial about that.  

 

Anyway.  Glad to hear things are good in Hawaii.  

 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

4 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

With respect, you are being ridiculous. This is the 9th day of the new administration.

But it's not the 9th day of his involvement in the crisis.  He's been relentless on the Trump,plan/no plan, relentless on how Joe is going to fix it, and should be very well-versed on numbers, delivery of vaccines and the Joe Plan.  He's been all about getting things done with some moxie and good old-fashioned elbow grease, but he botched the optics with his maskless family, he botched the optics of the inauguration with folks coming from near and far to party in the Capitol, and he seems to have a very flimsy grasp on the some of the numbers associated with vaccines, the virus and where it's all going.  In short, he seems confused an awful lot of the time. 

 

Heavy lies the crown. 

 

 

[Doc Brown]

31 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

I've read my comments a couple times and don't see where I ever said "if only teachers were willing.".  I'm not sure if someone else wrote that, or if you're summarizing my comments as you see fit, but you missed the point of my post.  

 

@Doc Brown had shared his perspective with another poster in stating "I'm don't really understand this fatalistic attitude you have..." as it related to @Big Blitz comments about schools, virtual classes and so on.  

My comment had more to do with his overall fatalistic view of the pandemic timeline in general when it came to going back to schools.  I said, "I don't really understand this fatalistic attitude you have unless you're just venting."  He's all over the place with some conspiratorial thoughts but is afraid that this virtual learning will go on for years.   

 

I just see it as paranoia.  You're going to have growing science of how this impacts kids less than the flue as far as both catching and spreading it and the growing pressure on the government to get people vaccinated (teachers included) we should reach herd immunity by the end of summer.  My prediction is schools will open fully next fall.  At the latest by January break.

[BillStime]

 

[Big Blitz]

24 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

He's all over the place with some conspiratorial thoughts

Correct and they will continue to evolve as goal posts continue to shift and everything continues to look as arbitrarily insane as they do now....

 

 

24 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

 

 

but is afraid that this virtual learning will go on for years.   

 

That and "social distancing."

 

 

 

24 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

My prediction is schools will open fully next fall.  At the latest by January break.

 

Why not all of 2021 to 2022?  The fact you know January 2022 (2 years to slow the spread) is an option should have every parent armed with torche.......oh wait can't talk like that or the Feds will get me.  

 

 

If fall, or January 2022 is what "experts" may be thinking to be fully open (I'm talking the people in charge) that needs to be expressed.  Simple enough.  Should alleviate a lot of mental stress and anxiety especially among the kids and their parents that are or watched their 1st grader lose a quarter year school (March 2020), all of 2nd grade (Fall to now and beyond), and will watch 3rd grade (Fall 2021 and beyond) go as well.  

 

Perfectly fine.  They'll be just fine.  

 

 

 

 

Now, they aren't saying anything close to that.  

 

Why?  Because I'm right.  This is indefinite. 

 

Years.  We told you #NewNormal was the plan and that's what's happening.  I can take a half full restaurant or mall.  I cannot take watching what's happening to these kids.  It's f....ing disgusting.  

[Doc Brown]

16 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

If fall, or January 2022 is what "experts" may be thinking to be fully open (I'm talking the people in charge) that needs to be expressed.  Simple enough.  Should alleviate a lot of mental stress and anxiety especially among the kids and their parents that are or watched their 1st grader lose a quarter year school (March 2020), all of 2nd grade (Fall to now and beyond), and will watch 3rd grade (Fall 2021 and beyond) go as well.  

I said that's the worst case scenario.  Most experts are expecting fall of 2021.  Buffalo city schools are currently planning full in person learning starting March 1st from what I've been told.

[WEATHER DOT COM]

20 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

Why?  Because I'm right.  This is indefinite. 

 

 

You are an idiot.

Edited January 29, 2021 by wAcKy ZeBrA

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

21 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

Correct and they will continue to evolve as goal posts continue to shift and everything continues to look as arbitrarily insane as they do now....

 

 

 

That and "social distancing."

 

 

 

 

Why not all of 2021 to 2022?  The fact you know January 2022 (2 years to slow the spread) is an option should have every parent armed with torche.......oh wait can't talk like that or the Feds will get me.  

 

 

If fall, or January 2022 is what "experts" may be thinking to be fully open (I'm talking the people in charge) that needs to be expressed.  Simple enough.  Should alleviate a lot of mental stress and anxiety especially among the kids and their parents that are or watched their 1st grader lose a quarter year school (March 2020), all of 2nd grade (Fall to now and beyond), and will watch 3rd grade (Fall 2021 and beyond) go as well.  

 

Perfectly fine.  They'll be just fine.  

 

 

 

 

Now, they aren't saying anything close to that.  

 

Why?  Because I'm right.  This is indefinite. 

 

Years.  We told you #NewNormal was the plan and that's what's happening.  I can take a half full restaurant or mall.  I cannot take watching what's happening to these kids.  It's f....ing disgusting.  

 

Agree with you man. 

[WEATHER DOT COM]

3 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

I said that's the worst case scenario.  Most experts are expecting fall of 2021.  Buffalo city schools are currently planning full in person learning starting March 1st from what I've been told.

 

ItS iNdEfInAtE

[Big Blitz]

36 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

I said that's the worst case scenario.  Most experts are expecting fall of 2021.  Buffalo city schools are currently planning full in person learning starting March 1st from what I've been told.

 

 

Incorrect.  The learning was partial and only for preK-2 and some high school seniors.  Nowhere near anything "full."

 

 

And guess what?  Look what's going on:

 

 

iNdEfInAtE tILl ThE vAcCiNe jK........

 

 

.....we'll get back to you

 

 

It's never going to be "safe."  Ever.  

 

Edited January 29, 2021 by Big Blitz

[TBBills]

1 hour ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

Incorrect.  The learning was partial and only for preK-2 and some high school seniors.  Nowhere near anything "full."

 

 

And guess what?  Look what's going on:

 

 

iNdEfInAtE tILl ThE vAcCiNe jK........

 

 

.....we'll get back to you

 

 

It's never going to be "safe."  Ever.  

 

I heard bleach does the trick.