Penn State 1st Round Hopeful, Gross-Matos named in Federal Hazing Lawsuit.

[MAJBobby]

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/28484451/former-nittany-lions-player-files-federal-lawsuit-james-franklin-penn-state-hazing?platform=amp&__twitter_impression=true

 

“The suit alleges that Humphries was subject to hazing brought on by Barber, linebacker Micah Parsons, defensive lineman Yetur Gross-Matos and linebacker Jesse Luketa and that the coaching staff was aware of the hazing and did not protect Humphries.”

 

 

doesn’t scream “process” and family to me. 

Edited January 14, 2020 by MAJBobby

[Bookie Man]

Meh Christian Wilkins fingered some guys b hole on the field, during the game and still went 13th. I'm jk. I still think he'll be drafted in the 1st round. Hazing isn't as big as a red flag to me as being arrested for drugs, guns or violence. 

[MAJBobby]

2 minutes ago, NC Book said:

Meh Christian Wilkins fingered some guys b hole on the field, during the game and still went 13th. I'm jk. I still think he'll be drafted in the 1st round. Hazing isn't as big as a red flag to me as being arrested for drugs, guns or violence. 

good. 
 

I guarantee it is a big deal for McD and Beane. 
 

and Wilkins was never named in a Federal Lawsuit was he?

Edited January 14, 2020 by MAJBobby

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

good. 
 

I guarantee it is a big deal for McD and Beane. 
 

and Wilkins was never named in a Federal Lawsuit was he?

 

Overwhelming odds are that every guy on the Bills staff with any collegiate or professional sports background were themselves hazed, and then hazed people below them afterwards.  Hazing did not become taboo until the last 10 to 15 years.  Before that, hazing was often tradition. I have a hard time believing anyone in the organization would consider it a disqualifying event.  Also, and this is a minor point, but Franklin wasn't named in the suit.  He may have been identified as a participant, but "named" implies that he is a defendant. He is not. 

[Bookie Man]

 

8 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

good. 
 

I guarantee it is a big deal for McD and Beane. 
 

and Wilkins was never named in a Federal Lawsuit was he?

 

That Wilkins thing was a joke.  But the footage is pretty funny if you haven't seen it. 

 

I think McD and Beane believe in second chances and I think if they like Gross-Matos, they will do their due diligence and weigh it out. Maybe kind of similar to the Tyrel Dodson situation.

[MAJBobby]

4 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

Overwhelming odds are that every guy on the Bills staff with any collegiate or professional sports background were themselves hazed, and then hazed people below them afterwards.  Hazing did not become taboo until the last 10 to 15 years.  Before that, hazing was often tradition. I have a hard time believing anyone in the organization would consider it a disqualifying event.  Also, and this is a minor point, but Franklin wasn't named in the suit.  He may have been identified as a participant, but "named" implies that he is a defendant. He is not. 

did I say Franklin was. Nope. I know Penn St fans will come running to the defense here. 
 

Federal Lawsuit = Taboo I guess. Crimes are Crimes doesn’t matter if they were accepted 10-15 years ago. 

Edited January 14, 2020 by MAJBobby

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

1 minute ago, MAJBobby said:

did I say Franklin was. Nope. I know Penn St fans will come running to the defense here. 

 

My bad, switch that. I meant Gross-Matos. Franklin was the one named. I didn't proof my response. 

 

Also, super random to call my a Penn St. fan. I don't really know what to do with that.  I just think the anti-hazing movement is silly.  

[MAJBobby]

5 minutes ago, NC Book said:

 

 

That Wilkins thing was a joke.  But the footage is pretty funny if you haven't seen it. 

 

I think McD and Beane believe in second chances and I think if they like Gross-Matos, they will do their due diligence and weigh it out. Maybe kind of similar to the Tyrel Dodson situation.

I am sure all teams will do their due diligence, but for Moss those Interviews are now going to be about this incident instead of just football. 

1 minute ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

My bad, switch that. I meant Gross-Matos. Franklin was the one named. I didn't proof my response. 

 

Also, super random to call my a Penn St. fan. I don't really know what to do with that.  I just think the anti-hazing movement is silly.  

Was I right?  Are you a Penn St fan?  
 

Crimes are Crimes. I think Weed Criminalization and Prostitution Criminalization is silly. But they are crimes aren’t they?

 

and is his name as a participant. Yep that would be he was named in a federal lawsuit. 

Edited January 14, 2020 by MAJBobby

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

1 minute ago, MAJBobby said:

I am sure all teams will do their due diligence, but for Moss those Interviews are now going to be about this incident instead of just football. 

Was I right?  Are you a Penn St fan?  
 

Crimes are Crimes. I think Weed Criminalization and Prostitution Criminalization is silly. But they are crimes aren’t they?

 

No. Syracuse. But I'm a SU Law alum, so that's why. I barely care about college football.  Also, this is a civil suit, not a criminal complaint. Very different.  Lastly, hazing is very different from drugs and prostitution, particularly in the manner in which people/coaches perceive it. 

[MAJBobby]

3 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

No. Syracuse. But I'm a SU Law alum, so that's why. I barely care about college football.  Also, this is a civil suit, not a criminal complaint. Very different.  Lastly, hazing is very different from drugs and prostitution, particularly in the manner in which people/coaches perceive it. 

And yet STILL illegal.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-pennsylvania-hazing/pennsylvania-law-to-make-hazing-punishable-as-felony-idUSKCN1MT1BL

 

And by the lawsuit He was one of the ring leaders. See even CBS says named in lawsuit just like I did 
 

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/penn-state-coach-james-franklin-players-named-in-federal-lawsuit-citing-accusations-of-hazing/

Edited January 14, 2020 by MAJBobby

[Rico]

As usual, best to stay away from anything Penn State, sorry Pegs.

[Jauronimo]

10 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

My bad, switch that. I meant Gross-Matos. Franklin was the one named. I didn't proof my response. 

 

Also, super random to call my a Penn St. fan. I don't really know what to do with that.  I just think the anti-hazing movement is silly.  

What's silly about it?

[BarleyNY]

10 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

Overwhelming odds are that every guy on the Bills staff with any collegiate or professional sports background were themselves hazed, and then hazed people below them afterwards.  Hazing did not become taboo until the last 10 to 15 years.  Before that, hazing was often tradition. I have a hard time believing anyone in the organization would consider it a disqualifying event.  Also, and this is a minor point, but Franklin wasn't named in the suit.  He may have been identified as a participant, but "named" implies that he is a defendant. He is not. 

Did you read the specific allegations? Here’s hoping that isn’t standard hazing.  I’d lose my **** if anyone pulled that on my kids.  Also Franklin is a defendant.  It’s in the first paragraph of the story.  The suit was filed against Penn State University, coach James Franklin and former player Damion Barber. 

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

And yet STILL illegal.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-pennsylvania-hazing/pennsylvania-law-to-make-hazing-punishable-as-felony-idUSKCN1MT1BL

 

And by the lawsuit He was one of the ring leaders. See even CBS says named in lawsuit just like I did 
 

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/penn-state-coach-james-franklin-players-named-in-federal-lawsuit-citing-accusations-of-hazing/

 

And yet the DA said charges would not be filed. I think you are missing the point by focusing on the fact that hazing is illegal.  Its about what the coaching staff's perception of hazing is. If you think they only care that its illegal, you are being super naive. 

 

"Named" or "identified." Doesn't really matter. I was just trying to educate a little. If you want to misunderstand the significance between the two because a sports writer that doesn't understand the law wrote the same headline, feel free.  

[MAJBobby]

1 minute ago, Jauronimo said:

What's silly about it?

Ooo it is just Lockerroom horseplay. 

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

1 minute ago, BarleyNY said:

Did you read the specific allegations? Here’s hoping that isn’t standard hazing.  I’d lose my **** if anyone pulled that on my kids.  Also Franklin is a defendant.  It’s in the first paragraph of the story.  The suit was filed against Penn State University, coach James Franklin and former player Damion Barber. 

 

Yeah, I just wasn't paying attention to what I was doing. I meant Gross-Matos. 

[MAJBobby]

Just now, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

And yet the DA said charges would not be filed. I think you are missing the point by focusing on the fact that hazing is illegal.  Its about what the coaching staff's perception of hazing is. If you think they only care that its illegal, you are being super naive. 

 

"Named" or "identified." Doesn't really matter. I was just trying to educate a little. If you want to misunderstand the significance between the two because a sports writer that doesn't understand the law wrote the same headline, feel free.  

You mean the PA DA’s office that initially didn’t want to file against Sandusky either?  Color me SHOCKED. SHOCKED I tell you. 

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

2 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

What's silly about it?

 

I've been a part of a frat that was suspended for hazing. The problem is they using the umbrella term "hazing" to encompass any number of activities that universities deem problematic to eliminate behavior that doesn't conform to the new socially just model of modern universities. 

[BarleyNY]

1 minute ago, MAJBobby said:

You mean the PA DA’s office that initially didn’t want to file against Sandusky either?  Color me SHOCKED. SHOCKED I tell you. 

Give them 20 years or so.......

[MAJBobby]

Just now, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

I've been a part of a frat that was suspended for hazing. The problem is they using the umbrella term "hazing" to encompass any number of activities that universities deem problematic to eliminate behavior that doesn't conform to the new socially just model of modern universities. 

Humphries claims the alleged bullies would wrestle victims to the ground and shove their genitals in their faces. Other threats allegedly included assailants saying, "I am going to Sandusky you," referencing disgraced former Nittany Lions defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky. 
 

ummm that doesn’t conform ANYWHERE 

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

Just now, MAJBobby said:

Humphries claims the alleged bullies would wrestle victims to the ground and shove their genitals in their faces. Other threats allegedly included assailants saying, "I am going to Sandusky you," referencing disgraced former Nittany Lions defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky. 
 

ummm that doesn’t conform ANYWHERE 

You never hears of teabagging? Sure, it sounds crazy out of context, but ive seen that in multiple places-high school, hockey, the frat.  Also, remember the movie Waiting? The ball sack game? That falls under the heading of hazing now. Its just horseplay. 

[BarleyNY]

3 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

You never hears of teabagging? Sure, it sounds crazy out of context, but ive seen that in multiple places-high school, hockey, the frat.  Also, remember the movie Waiting? The ball sack game? That falls under the heading of hazing now. Its just horseplay. 

Or sexual assault.  Tomāto, tomáto. 

Edited January 14, 2020 by BarleyNY

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

Just now, BarleyNY said:

Or sexual assault.  Tomāto, tamáto. 

I mean, you can pretend its not a thing if you like. That it isn’t something dudes have done for literally generations as a prank. Sure, its different in todays social culture, but that wasnt the case as recently as ten years ago.

[Gambit]

4 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

You never hears of teabagging? Sure, it sounds crazy out of context, but ive seen that in multiple places-high school, hockey, the frat.  Also, remember the movie Waiting? The ball sack game? That falls under the heading of hazing now. Its just horseplay. 

What in the ***** is wrong with you? 

[MAJBobby]

11 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

You never hears of teabagging? Sure, it sounds crazy out of context, but ive seen that in multiple places-high school, hockey, the frat.  Also, remember the movie Waiting? The ball sack game? That falls under the heading of hazing now. Its just horseplay. 

And is well sexual assault. Unless you like nuts dropped on your chin unwanted 

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

And is well sexual assault. Unless you like nuts dropped on your chin unwanted 

Have you guys really never heard of this? This isnt even close to the worst kind of hazing. 

[MAJBobby]

1 minute ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

Have you guys really never heard of this? This isnt even close to the worst kind of hazing. 

Let me know what law firm you work for so I can make sure NONE of my family and friends use it. Don’t like lawyers that well are ok with hazing and sexual assault. 

[Warcodered]

21 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Humphries claims the alleged bullies would wrestle victims to the ground and shove their genitals in their faces. Other threats allegedly included assailants saying, "I am going to Sandusky you," referencing disgraced former Nittany Lions defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky. 
 

ummm that doesn’t conform ANYWHERE 

I wonder if any of the others said they were going to Joe Paterno them and just sit by and watch.

 

44 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

Overwhelming odds are that every guy on the Bills staff with any collegiate or professional sports background were themselves hazed, and then hazed people below them afterwards.  Hazing did not become taboo until the last 10 to 15 years.  Before that, hazing was often tradition. I have a hard time believing anyone in the organization would consider it a disqualifying event.  Also, and this is a minor point, but Franklin wasn't named in the suit.  He may have been identified as a participant, but "named" implies that he is a defendant. He is not. 

Hazing happens pretty much everywhere if something has become taboo it's the more extreme cases of it.

[Augie]

One simple rule that will help you have a happier life: Don’t be a $%#@& knucklehead. Do this to anybody, and you deserve every bit of punishment you get. YES, I’ve heard of this, and a lot of other horrible behaviors. That doesn’t make it any less reprehensible. 

7 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

Have you guys really never heard of this? This isnt even close to the worst kind of hazing. 

 

Leaving the pine cone out does NOT make it OK. 

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

4 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Let me know what law firm you work for so I can make sure NONE of my family and friends use it. Don’t like lawyers that well are ok with hazing and sexual assault. 

Why do you keep trying to make this personal? Im talking about a real social phenomenon and how people perceive it. Im not even saying its ok.

[Jauronimo]

24 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

I've been a part of a frat that was suspended for hazing. The problem is they using the umbrella term "hazing" to encompass any number of activities that universities deem problematic to eliminate behavior that doesn't conform to the new socially just model of modern universities. 

My frat was also suspended for hazing.  While nothing close to the behavior detailed in the Penn State allegations occurred at my frat (wanton acts of homosexuality were reserved for brothers and totally forbidden for pledges) hazing has a tendency to get more extreme and out of control no matter how harmless it may start.  

 

Every year some kid dies as a result of hazing gone bad.  Every year, crimes like assault and sexual abuse are committed in the name of hazing.  Its an unacceptable outcome. 

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

7 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

My frat was also suspended for hazing.  While nothing close to the behavior detailed in the Penn State allegations occurred at my frat (wanton acts of homosexuality were reserved for brothers and totally forbidden for pledges) hazing has a tendency to get more extreme and out of control no matter how harmless it may start.  

 

Every year some kid dies as a result of hazing gone bad.  Every year, crimes like assault and sexual abuse are committed in the name of hazing.  Its an unacceptable outcome. 

Heres the thing. The majority of that stems from binge drinking. That is obviously super dangerous. That said, hazing is used to justify prohibiting a much longer list of types of actions. Things that might look like bullying are a great example. That seems a bit far. 

Edited January 14, 2020 by JoshAllenHasBigHands

[MAJBobby]

13 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

Why do you keep trying to make this personal? Im talking about a real social phenomenon and how people perceive it. Im not even saying its ok.

but you are justifying this as locker room horseplay. That is how you perceive it. 

[Augie]

5 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

Heres the thing. The majority of that stems from binge drinking. That is obviously super dangerous. That said, hazing is used to justify prohibiting a much longer list of types of actions. Things that might look like bullying are a great example. That seems a bit far. 

 

So, we’re going to do very bad things, so that we don’t do even worse things?  Sorry, 100% unacceptable. Period. 

[wppete]

2nd Round. 

[appoo]

So far it's been investigated, and there's no evidence to corroborate the kids allegations. Also a lot of players are speaking out, including Ryan Bates:

 

 

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

1 minute ago, Augie said:

 

So, we’re going to do very bad things, so that we don’t do even worse things?  Sorry, 100% unacceptable. Period. 

I dont really follow what you are trying to say here.

[Augie]

7 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

I dont really follow what you are trying to say here.

 

See the bold text, hazing does not justify anything. It’s just wrong. I played sports into college, and my kids were in frats. It can and should be done without any of this behavior. The worst they got was being the DD for a weekend or bringing the donuts. IF TRUE, this needs to be firmly handled and become a lesson for everyone.  Again. 

 

 

It’s not just common locker room horseplay. We had some of that at at my kids HS (and it never even became physical) with football. The HC was out as soon as it became known. He was part of the problem. 

 

 

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Edited January 14, 2020 by Augie

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

11 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

but you are justifying this as locker room horseplay. That is how you perceive it. 

I do. That doesnt mean its ok. But I also dont think he should be regarded as acting with the same kind of malice as someone who uses drugs or prostitutes. Nor do i think GMs and coaches will.

Edited January 14, 2020 by JoshAllenHasBigHands

[Sherlock Holmes]

1 hour ago, NC Book said:

Meh Christian Wilkins fingered some guys b hole on the field, during the game and still went 13th. I'm jk. I still think he'll be drafted in the 1st round. Hazing isn't as big as a red flag to me as being arrested for drugs, guns or violence. 

Tell me more please, tell me more. Now if it were Kuechly, TJ Watt or the Bosas... I'd take one for the team