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26 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

If Lawson was a FA from another team, would Beane and McDermott pursue him?


I don’t know, tbh. 
 

There’s players like Robbie Anderson out there that their fanbase is split on retaining.  I don’t know if I want that guy.  Probably gets paid more than his true value due to being above average at a premium position.  
 

Seems kind of similar to our Shaq/Phillips situation (aside from those two guys not being awful off the field)

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5 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

Is that meant as a shot at the Bills??

I don't know that it was a shot, but it was obviously a message.  "Don't expect a hometown discount."

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Even Chris Kelsey had a 5.5 sack year and he had 60 tackles. Sorry but overpaying this guy would be a major mistake. 7.5 per is my max or he can walk. If he signs that then I am dumping Murphy. If he doesn’t sign we keep Murphy 1 more year. We are gonna draft a DE and we have a ton of cap room to get a premier DE to replace Jerry anyway. 

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I don't think that's the right attitude, so I am not really expecting him back.  I'm all for a player or anyone for that matter trying to get every bit they can but this isn't the way to go about it IMO.  It makes it seem like that is all he cares about.

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37 minutes ago, Locomark said:

Even Chris Kelsey had a 5.5 sack year and he had 60 tackles. Sorry but overpaying this guy would be a major mistake. 7.5 per is my max or he can walk. If he signs that then I am dumping Murphy. If he doesn’t sign we keep Murphy 1 more year. We are gonna draft a DE and we have a ton of cap room to get a premier DE to replace Jerry anyway. 

 

You realize that Murphy is scheduled to make just under $9M this year?    Shaq is worth that, and at the least, is worth more than Murphy.  Signing Shaq for $9M AAV and dumping Murphy sounds like the right move.

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Does he wanna be here?

is he a process guy?

i think he’s the only player on the team from before Beane?

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58 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said:

 

You realize that Murphy is scheduled to make just under $9M this year?    Shaq is worth that, and at the least, is worth more than Murphy.  Signing Shaq for $9M AAV and dumping Murphy sounds like the right move.

 

Guarantee you Shaq's agent is telling him he's worth 15 million a year. He's not worth more than 10 million a year. Shaq is a goner. I would rather they use that money to sign Jordan Phillips anyway. 

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32 minutes ago, WildBills said:

 

Guarantee you Shaq's agent is telling him he's worth 15 million a year. He's not worth more than 10 million a year. Shaq is a goner. I would rather they use that money to sign Jordan Phillips anyway. 

 

If Shaq wants more than $10M, I agree he's gone.  Jordan Phillips is another guy who, if he overvalues himself, he's gone.  I'd like to re-sign both if possible.

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He's a very underrated player on the rise. Sign him. Cut Murphy. Add another young DE.

2 hours ago, Locomark said:

Even Chris Kelsey had a 5.5 sack year and he had 60 tackles. Sorry but overpaying this guy would be a major mistake. 7.5 per is my max or he can walk. If he signs that then I am dumping Murphy. If he doesn’t sign we keep Murphy 1 more year. We are gonna draft a DE and we have a ton of cap room to get a premier DE to replace Jerry anyway. 

Shaq plays less than half the snaps, kelsay seemed to never leave the field.

 

Shaq needs a bigger role.

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5 hours ago, starrymessenger said:

 

Havent seen much of Yannick but I've seen a fair bit of Judon over the years. I like Judon. He sees the field a lot and the Ravens tend to  lean on him. He gets lots of tackles and 9.5 sacks is nothing to sneer at. Not clear to me though that he would'nt be more part of a rotation just based on what all McD seems to do with line players. So his totals would likely go down, including possibly even his sack total. Same could be said about Yannick who also gets lots of snaps, more than he might get here. And how much better is 9.5 or 8 sacks over 6.5 (I know 3 and 1.5 respectively). Judon is right now a better player than Shaq but probably not that much better.  Lawson is also trending up IMO and could continue to improve. He should be entering his prime.

If a good one falls to them in the draft I would expect the Bills to pull the trigger on a prospect. If so, I believe they would try to sign Shaq. 

 

Judon is not much better than Shaq??? Baltimore said they will franchise him if they can't reach a deal:

 

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/ravens-to-use-franchise-tag-on-matt-judon-if-a-long-term-deal-cant-be-worked-out/

 

Would Buffalo franchise Shaq?

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He should get some but nothing outrageous, need to see if played hard because it was a contract year or not.

 

 

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While the mantra around OBD is 'continuous improvement', there's also another adage called 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it'.

 

For that reason I'd like both Shaq and Phillips re-signed.

 

Much like the O-Line, the 'continuous improvement' can be had by keeping guys together.  Fwiw, especially as he's already indicated he wants to stay, I'd look to get Spain re-signed also.

 

My eyes told me that Lawson comfortably out-performed Murphy, and Murphy actually played better than the year before. The Athletic grades Lawson out over the season as the 11th best Bills player - and that is out of the whole roster. While those grades are to a degree subjective, it does confirm largely what my eyes told me, and that was that Lawson was one of the better Bills over the whole season, and on a team that performed well overall, that's saying something. He graded out well above Murphy.

 

I'd also say that I believe Lawson could comfortably handle more snaps, and he started getting them through the season, simply due to his superior play. Lawson has become a good solid performer, and while not elite, you will be hard pushed to replace his performance, if you let him walk.

 

Much will depend on what other offers he gets, tbh, but I can see him get above what Murphy gets, with no trouble at all, and tbh I'd pay him in the region of $9 million per, if pushed.

 

That doesn't preclude doing something else at Edge in FA, where we do need to try and bolster the pass rush outside, but it would mean that Murphy then could become unnecessary, should we get another guy. It also covers the position in case we can't get anything done, or can't find a guy in the draft.

 

I'm somewhat bemused by the often seen attitude around here, that guys can be replaced willy-nilly. They can't. Johnson might eventually develop into a handy pass rusher, but it won't be before another season has gone by.

 

I really like Phillips, his attitude etc. but sacks aside, he can disappear at times. We also have his replacement on the roster in 'Orrible Harry, as a guy who can rotate in to spell Oliver - who I think will become a beast next year (Oliver). We don't have a ready made replacement for Lawson, just inferior alternatives (on the roster). I'd still like to keep Phillips as he brings energy, and he does make plays, but I fear he will be priced out in FA.

 

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10 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

For proper value I think they would 

I agree and that’s why the 5th year option wasn’t applied and we find ourselves here.

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14 hours ago, OZBILLS said:

 

It feels like every time it's time to pay someone....everyone is like "oh, it's only one good year...let them go".

 

Pay. This. Man :0

 

Which is the M.O. of one Bill Belichick. Maybe it finally caught up to him.

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Bill's wiffed when they didnt pick up his 5th year option, could of had him for another year at a fraction of the cost.

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The Bills will be playing Jordan Phillps on the DL.  They will have to pay Spain on the OL.

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9 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

He should get some but nothing outrageous, need to see if played hard because it was a contract year or not.

 

With a player approaching free agency, that is not a strategy.  Do, or Do Not, when it comes to signing; there is no "try"

 

Beane is on record saying they want to resign Shaq.

8 hours ago, GETTOTHE50 said:

don’t know if I’d pay him after the ***** song choice 

 

If we made contract decisions according to taste in music, I think probably 3/4 of the team would be out the door

 

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31 minutes ago, Pirate Angel said:

Bill's wiffed when they didnt pick up his 5th year option, could of had him for another year at a fraction of the cost.

 

the 5th year option was reasonably high, something like 8 or 9 million, no?

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16 minutes ago, CheshireCT said:

 

the 5th year option was reasonably high, something like 8 or 9 million, no?

 

Top DEs are being paid in the 18-20 mill range.  8 or 9 million is no longer a high number for a DE.

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19 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

I don’t expect him back as I think McBeane & he differ widely on fair market value. Add to that, some team is so desperate for D-rush, they’ll way over pay. He’s already made very good money from his 1st Round selection, though imo, has only earned it the last season & a half. 

But I’ve been wrong before.

Dunno, with Jerry winding down and nobody on the roster that can rush from the edge, I think Shaq's value has gone up. He's going to get $10 mil  somewhere. He's young and really took a step up this year. Cut Trent and sign Shaq. Even so, we need to draft edge this year. 

1 hour ago, ganesh said:

The Bills will be playing Jordan Phillps on the DL.  They will have to pay Spain on the OL.

I think Jordan is gone. Someone's going to way overpay him. Besides, we have Oliver and H. Phillips coming back next year. With Liuget in rotation we're set. 

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