AFC teams. Which are ascending. Which are descending.

[machine gun kelly]

Steelers are in decline, most of you’re pics I agree, but the Browns until we see who is the next coach is a ?

[MJS]

16 minutes ago, ProcessAccepted said:

The world was accusing them of tanking and they ended up taking away the bye from the Pats in Foxborough. I got to give them credit for that. Who knows it may well come off the rails but they've set themselves up with a decent shot at it.

They're without a QB. Simple as that. It comes down to their ability to draft one.

[iinii]

2 hours ago, Chaos said:

Bills finished 6th in the AFC this year.  Five teams did better, 10 worse.  Bills have a QB who should get better, and it generally feels like the team should get better next year.  But the 2020 Bills won't be competing against the 2019 Bills, they will be competing against the other AFC teams.   Which ones do you think are going to improve next year, and which ones decline.

AFC East
Pats - maybe the hardest one to gauge. But seems to be in decline for now. 
Bills - Ascending - QB should improve. In game coaching has a lot or room for improvement. 

Jets - I think Gase is a wheel spinner, and that the Jets are equally likely to go up or down
Dolphins - Dolphins really have almost no where to go but up. But they seem like a low ceiling team.

AFC North

Ravens, - ascending.  Same dynamics as the Bills but starting from higher ground. 
Steelers - ascending.  I hate the Steelers.  But their defense is solid, coaching is solid, and their QB situation almost certainly has to improve.  If rudolph and duck are they only choices at QB, then this arrow turns sideways
Browns - ascending - hate Mayfield, I think he sucks.  almost anyone they hire for HC has to be better than the clown they let go. arrow may be up, but ceiling is still low.
Bengals - ascending - no where to go buy up. Also low ceiling

 

AFC South

Colts - Sideways to down.  Love their head coach. But they look to be in QB hell to me with Brissett. I think they are close to looking at a full rebuild. 

Texans - Sideways to down.  They gave up a lot of draft capital to get where they are.  Despite his stunning return, Watts is on the decline.  playmakers have all peaked.  They needed the refs to cheat to win a playoff game. 
Jaguars - Down -- Marrone means always expect to go down
Titans - Ascending - Tricky one.  If Tannehill is born again, its an up arrow. If he simply played way over his head this year its a down arrow.

AFC West
Chiefs. ascending.  Same dynamics as the Bills but starting from higher ground. 
Chargers - declining - key players have peaked or are on the declin
Raiders - ascending.  I think low ceiling though. Carr is not likely to get better, which keeps them from moving much
Broncos - wheel spinning until the QB issue is solved. 

NFL always changes, so past is not necessarily prologue.  For 15 years the Pats, Colts and Steelers were the only AFC Champs, save for one appearance by the Flacco Ravens.

The Chiefs and Ravens, seem built to be part of the championship mix for a long time.  They are already the 1 and 2 seeds.  Have proven coaches and two QBs widely accepted at the best young QBs in the game.   Mahomes and Jackson may very well recreate the Manning-Brady rivalry along with Reid and Harbaugh. 

I am not sure if the Bills have the coaching/QBing to become the consistent third team in the mix.   If Tomlin and Belichick cannot create past magic, I think the Bills are positioned to be the next best consistently after the chiefs and ravens.   Unfortunately, I don't see any obvious moves that will allow the Bills to propel past these two teams on a consistent basis. 

To be clear on any given Sunday most any team can win.  The Bills can beat any team on any given Sunday.  But in 2019 against teams with winning records, the Bills did not win very many Sundays.   



 

I thought we were fifth and the Titans were sixth. 

[Florida Bills Fanatic]

1 hour ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

The Dolphins have 13 draft picks next year including 3 first rounders and 2 second rounders and 94 million to spend. Couple that with a pair of first & second round pick in 2021 and finally finding what appears to be a good coach. The Dolphins will be players in the division for a while starting either in 2020 or 2021.

Miami has been consistently poor at drafting talent.  They have turned over some of the front office people but many of the scouts are unchanged.  It is also believed that the owner interjects his influence with a negative outcome.  Granted, they have a lot of draft picks but they stripped the proven talent from the roster to get them.  Fitz was the only guy keeping them in games.  If they are going to compete, it will be more like 2022 or 2023 and that's if they hit on the vast majority of the draft picks.

[Chaos]

24 minutes ago, iinii said:

I thought we were fifth and the Titans were sixth. 

Pats and Bills are out.  Titans are left.  Pats beat us twice and won our division. So I place them ahead of the Bills at fifth. 

[iinii]

2 minutes ago, Chaos said:

Pats and Bills are out.  Titans are left.  Pats beat us twice and won our division. So I place them ahead of the Bills at fifth. 

Interesting 

[Aussie Joe]

2 hours ago, Chaos said:

The Chiefs and Ravens, seem built to be part of the championship mix for a long time.

I am not sure if the Bills have the coaching/QBing to become the consistent third team in the mix.   If Tomlin and Belichick cannot create past magic, I think the Bills are positioned to be the next best consistently after the chiefs and ravens.   Unfortunately, I don't see any obvious moves that will allow the Bills to propel past these two teams on a consistent basis. 


 

 

This is the question isnt it?  I'll even go further to say that probably its going to be on Josh to take them to this level because ultimately the games are won on the field...  He has got to win 12 games and a playoff game to get them into the Championship game, and many are not going to believe he can do it until he actually does it...

 

Ravens and Chiefs havent won anything yet.. whilst its likely one of them goes through to the SB, I wouldnt quite proclaim it as a given looking at the Titans play last week... Both QB's are young so will be interesting to see how they handle the pressure of the games this weekend that they are expected to win..

 

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But the 2020 Bills won't be competing against the 2019 Bills, they will be competing against the other AFC teams.   

 

There may not be any "obvious moves" that propel the Bllls to the top next season, but Ive got  lot of confidence that the Bills will be a better team in 2020 with the younger guys including the QB having another year of experience under their belt.. plus the expectations that the Bills spend some money and acquire another couple of pieces in FA and the Draft... Whilst they are competing against other teams as you said, they can only control what they do themselves...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[LABILLBACKER]

1 hour ago, ogham26 said:

maybe its just me but I think the jets will be decent next year.  luckily they have terrible coaches. we just need a new England decline so that the Afc East will actually be in play.  This is the new route to actually making noise.  win the division and get a home playoff game.

Winning the afce is paramount. If you want to guarantee playoffs and at least 1 home game you gotta have. We came close this year despite a blocked punt and some questionable calls in the last NE game. As bad as Gase is, don't sleep on Darnold's ability. The fate of the fish will depend on their qb, not Flores. All we have to do is maintain the D and keep adding weapons for Josh. We went through the entire 19/20 season without a true WR1 or TE1.  We have to find those 2 players this spring. I see the Bills winning the east most seasons and I wish nothing good for NE.     

Suck it Patriots.......

[otagoyellow]

If Lamar Jackson can stay healthy, Baltimore is set up for a solid next few years. But man, it's hard to see that happening with the hits he takes. I know he's a marvel for bouncing right back up after each one, but the odds of this continuing seem low. 

 

Second hot take: I full expect Miami, much like Buffalo, to find its footing in the roaring 20s and once more compete for the AFC East.  The Buff/Miami rivalry from the glory days was a blast and I wouldn't mind seeing that have a second life. New England appears due for a downturn, but stating such things sounds like a broken record. I'm pretty happy they failed to hold on to Garoppolo.

[Chaos]

22 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

 

This is the question isnt it?  I'll even go further to say that probably its going to be on Josh to take them to this level because ultimately the games are won on the field...  He has got to win 12 games and a playoff game to get them into the Championship game, and many are not going to believe he can do it until he actually does it...

 

Ravens and Chiefs havent won anything yet.. whilst its likely one of them goes through to the SB, I wouldnt quite proclaim it as a given looking at the Titans play last week... Both QB's are young so will be interesting to see how they handle the pressure of the games this weekend that they are expected to win..

 

 

There may not be any "obvious moves" that propel the Bllls to the top next season, but Ive got  lot of confidence that the Bills will be a better team in 2020 with the younger guys including the QB having another year of experience under their belt.. plus the expectations that the Bills spend some money and acquire another couple of pieces in FA and the Draft... Whilst they are competing against other teams as you said, they can only control what they do themselves...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Bolded parts are same things Chiefs and Ravens will be doing . Its more likely a big move needs to be an new offensive coordinator.   The gap from Reid to Daboll or Harbaugh/Roman to Daboll seems like a chasm.  

Edited January 7, 2020 by Chaos

[dollars 2 donuts]

Some of us are kidding ourselves with the miami dolphins.

 

They had a miserable team this year, yet due to good coaching this team went 5-4 in its last 9, 5-3 against teams not named Bills and have 3 first round draft picks next year.

 

If they hit on a qb the will very much press on the number 2 spot.  Doesn't mean they'll get there, but I just don't see this team capping, at say, 7-9.

 

The Jets have a terrible head coach, but a good defense.  They could be a problem next year.

 

Respectfully, I have no reason to believe that Bills will be ascending any quicker than those two teams.  Please note though that with everyone ascending I can live with us at 12-4, Jets at 9-7 and Dolphins at 8-8.

 

I just truly can't envision the Patriots ascending... I mean...to where.  That is a team that, over all, should be thrilled if they finish 10-6 next year...downright thrilled.

 

 

 

 

NOTE:  This is my first post since the loss and the first time I've been back to this board since before the game...yeah, it bothered me that much.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

20 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

don't sleep on Darnold's ability.

 

his ability to do what? Turn the ball over?

 

Struggle against third stringers?

 

 

[NoHuddleKelly12]

2 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

Some of us are kidding ourselves with the miami dolphins.

 

They had a miserable team this year, yet due to good coaching this team went 5-4 in its last 9, 5-3 against teams not named Bills and have 3 first round draft picks next year.

 

If they hit on a qb the will very much press on the number 2 spot.  Doesn't mean they'll get there, but I just don't see this team capping, at say, 7-9.

 

The Jets have a terrible head coach, but a good defense.  They could be a problem next year.

 

Respectfully, I have no reason to believe that Bills will be ascending any quicker than those two teams.  Please note though that with everyone ascending I can live with us at 12-4, Jets at 9-7 and Dolphins at 8-8.

 

I just truly can't envision the Patriots ascending... I mean...to where.  That is a team that, over all, should be thrilled if they finish 10-6 next year...downright thrilled.

 

 

 

 

NOTE:  This is my first post since the loss and the first time I've been back to this board since before the game...yeah, it bothered me that much.

Good to have you back—that was a rough one but we are Bills fans, so we are well versed in getting back up off the mat, as you’re also now demonstrating.

[dollars 2 donuts]

8 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

Good to have you back—that was a rough one but we are Bills fans, so we are well versed in getting back up off the mat, as you’re also now demonstrating.

 

YOU. 

 

ARE.

 

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Edited January 7, 2020 by dollars 2 donuts

[iinii]

What if the QB becomes more like the running back position? Just the next young guy up? 

[Troll Toll]

East

I think Buffalo was the best team in the East this year, though New England taking out Josh in the first matchup prevented things from playing out that way record-wise.

 

North

I expect Ravens to drop a few notches next year. They caught teams off guard this year. Pittsburgh could make a run at them with a return from Big Ben and another playmaker on offense.

 

South

Houston looks like they will remain in first as they have the best QB situation. I could see a surprise surge from Indy with a good QB move. I’m still not sold on Tannehill.

 

West

Chiefs are well positioned to remain at the top, but they are trending down to me with Kelce and Hill aging.

 

If Buffalo can hit on some offensive players, then they’ll be a Super Bowl contender next year.

[JerseyBills]

I think next year we're going to put the finishing touches on a very impressive roster and be a legit SB contender out of the AFC for 3-5 years. 

 

Beane/Coach and Co have done an impeccable job so far at tearing and rebuilding this team.  Going into year 4 , with no glaring holes , we can upgrade any position , have a great core of leaders and guys that will learn to win. 

 

I'm still heartbroken blowing a 16 point lead in the 3rd QTR but the future is so bright. Anything less than a division title next year is a failure. I believe we'll be that talented

[RochesterRob]

2 hours ago, Florida Bills Fanatic said:

Miami has been consistently poor at drafting talent.  They have turned over some of the front office people but many of the scouts are unchanged.  It is also believed that the owner interjects his influence with a negative outcome.  Granted, they have a lot of draft picks but they stripped the proven talent from the roster to get them.  Fitz was the only guy keeping them in games.  If they are going to compete, it will be more like 2022 or 2023 and that's if they hit on the vast majority of the draft picks.

  I could see 2 of their 3 first round picks for 2020 busting based on recent history.  

[PatsFanNH]

4 hours ago, Chaos said:

Bills finished 6th in the AFC this year.  Five teams did better, 10 worse.  Bills have a QB who should get better, and it generally feels like the team should get better next year.  But the 2020 Bills won't be competing against the 2019 Bills, they will be competing against the other AFC teams.   Which ones do you think are going to improve next year, and which ones decline.

AFC East
Pats - maybe the hardest one to gauge. But seems to be in decline for now. 
Bills - Ascending - QB should improve. In game coaching has a lot or room for improvement. 

Jets - I think Gase is a wheel spinner, and that the Jets are equally likely to go up or down
Dolphins - Dolphins really have almost no where to go but up. But they seem like a low ceiling team.

AFC North

Ravens, - ascending.  Same dynamics as the Bills but starting from higher ground. 
Steelers - ascending.  I hate the Steelers.  But their defense is solid, coaching is solid, and their QB situation almost certainly has to improve.  If rudolph and duck are they only choices at QB, then this arrow turns sideways
Browns - ascending - hate Mayfield, I think he sucks.  almost anyone they hire for HC has to be better than the clown they let go. arrow may be up, but ceiling is still low.
Bengals - ascending - no where to go buy up. Also low ceiling

 

AFC South

Colts - Sideways to down.  Love their head coach. But they look to be in QB hell to me with Brissett. I think they are close to looking at a full rebuild. 

Texans - Sideways to down.  They gave up a lot of draft capital to get where they are.  Despite his stunning return, Watts is on the decline.  playmakers have all peaked.  They needed the refs to cheat to win a playoff game. 
Jaguars - Down -- Marrone means always expect to go down
Titans - Ascending - Tricky one.  If Tannehill is born again, its an up arrow. If he simply played way over his head this year its a down arrow.

AFC West
Chiefs. ascending.  Same dynamics as the Bills but starting from higher ground. 
Chargers - declining - key players have peaked or are on the declin
Raiders - ascending.  I think low ceiling though. Carr is not likely to get better, which keeps them from moving much
Broncos - wheel spinning until the QB issue is solved. 

NFL always changes, so past is not necessarily prologue.  For 15 years the Pats, Colts and Steelers were the only AFC Champs, save for one appearance by the Flacco Ravens.

The Chiefs and Ravens, seem built to be part of the championship mix for a long time.  They are already the 1 and 2 seeds.  Have proven coaches and two QBs widely accepted at the best young QBs in the game.   Mahomes and Jackson may very well recreate the Manning-Brady rivalry along with Reid and Harbaugh. 

I am not sure if the Bills have the coaching/QBing to become the consistent third team in the mix.   If Tomlin and Belichick cannot create past magic, I think the Bills are positioned to be the next best consistently after the chiefs and ravens.   Unfortunately, I don't see any obvious moves that will allow the Bills to propel past these two teams on a consistent basis. 

To be clear on any given Sunday most any team can win.  The Bills can beat any team on any given Sunday.  But in 2019 against teams with winning records, the Bills did not win very many Sundays.   



 

Chiefs — Mahomes is going to have be paid soon so their rookie window with him closes soon and they will have to decide who to keep and who to let go in FA probably by the end of next year.

 

Ravens — had a great year but let’s see how the Offense works next year with a full season of tape for Defenses. (Lamar seems legit scary talent though)

 

Pats — definitely near the end of not the end of their dynasty type dominance of the AFC.. Does Brady have 1 last SB run left in him? Does BB go out and get a different QB and show the world he was the true evil genius behind the empire? 
 

Bills — Allen was good and Bad this last season. The Bad is he had awful turnovers usually at the worst time.. The good being his ability handle the pressure and lead amazing fourth quarter comebacks.  Will McD be able to fix his QB one glaring issue while  keeping his D elite?

 

Steelers — will they find a new young QB? Will Big Ben come back and play anywhere like his former self? Will their D continue to improve? 
 

 

Browns — They have the talent on paper, we saw Mayfield lead and almost make them a playoff team two years ago.  Can they find a coach that can maximize the talent on this roster