Southern Bills Fan Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 It’s hard to compare these QBs because of the entirely different situations they are in. Mahomes is throwing to wide open guys and yes, he looks really good but it’s basically playing catch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock-A-Bye Beasley Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, SirAndrew said: I really like Allen’s potential, and I disagree with your take that Allen will never be “half” as good as Mahomes. I really believe Allen could potentially develop into something special. In truth, none of us know at this point. However, I do agree with your point it’s absurd how many people on TBD feel the need to put down Mahomes. The dude is an elite QB, and one of the best in the game right now. Comparing him to Allen by doing things like cherry picking stats is ridiculous. I actually like Josh Allen, but it shouldn’t mean we aren’t allowed to comment on how good Mahomes is. That’s just typical Bills fan insecurity. Saying Allen is at Mahomes level is crazy. I agree about Allen, and I'm not claiming the "half" remark as my view. That's a comment on how Allen is viewed by non-Bills fans compared to Mahomes. The weapons excuse is hilarious to me. Does Kelce catch either of those potential Knox TDs? Does Hill catch that one to Beasley? Given the same system/talent Mahomes would put up MUCH better numbers. Yet, many posters on here dismiss him by saying the word weapons repeatedly. It's possible to admit Mahomes is great without condemning Allen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, SirAndrew said: I really like Allen’s potential, and I disagree with your take that Allen will never be “half” as good as Mahomes. I really believe Allen could potentially develop into something special. In truth, none of us know at this point. However, I do agree with your point it’s absurd how many people on TBD feel the need to put down Mahomes. The dude is an elite QB, and one of the best in the game right now. Comparing him to Allen by doing things like cherry picking stats is ridiculous. I actually like Josh Allen, but it shouldn’t mean we aren’t allowed to comment on how good Mahomes is. That’s just typical Bills fan insecurity. Saying Allen is at Mahomes level is crazy. I think you're talking to me so I'll reply. My point wasn't to say that Allen is equal to Mahomes he isn't and he has a long way to go to get there. My point was to show that Allen is closing the gap. And for the record what I posted wasn't cherry picking the stats. It was comparing 2 games played only 2 weeks apart that featured a common opponent with an elite D in their house. I thought it was interesting that in this situation Allen played about as well as Mahomes did. I found that encouraging. My post was aimed at those who continue to use Mahomes great play as a way to take a shot at Allen. And lets be real Mahomes gets a lot of love on 2BD and a lot of attention. For how many years did we have to see repeated posts reminding us that we passed on drafting Mahomes? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 16 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said: I learned that Trubisky is pretty much the same QB as Mahomes tonight! Lol did they really say that? I had to turn it off I had enough of Al and Chris last week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills6969 Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 Allen and Mahomes have that “it” factor. They both are fearless and are clutch when a big play is needed. I don’t see it in Trubisky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 4 minutes ago, SirAndrew said: It’s ok to like Allen, I know that I do. There aren’t many good QB’s in the AFC. I’d take Allen over half (maybe more) of the other AFC QB’s. I just don’t understand why people need to say guys like Mahomes, Jackson, and Watson aren’t as good as Allen. You can like Allen without being in denial of reality. Allen isn’t as good as those guys right now, it’s simply a fact. Who the hell is saying this? What I've seen posted is that Allen isn't that far behind Watson. Which I think is true. But then again I think Allen is emerging into being a very good QB and Watson is already a very good QB. Most of the stuff on Jackson on 2BD is positive. At the same time it's not knocking Jackson to say that if he were dropped into the Bills offense he would struggle and not be as effective as Allen. That doesn't mean Allen is better then Jackson it simply acknowledges that the 2 play in very different systems and that Jackson benefits from playing in a system designed for him. It's a testament to Jackson's skills and the brilliance of the ravens coaching staff that they've taken the NFL by storm. As for Mahomes, the most common point made on 2BD is that he has a great offensive mind coaching him and he's surrounded with fantastic skill players. I can't think of to many folks who claim Allen is better though. Mahomes is probably the best QB in the NFL. Allen isn't there yet. But it's okay to speculate on how the two might fare if they switched offenses to play in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAndrew Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 12 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said: I think you're talking to me so I'll reply. My point wasn't to say that Allen is equal to Mahomes he isn't and he has a long way to go to get there. My point was to show that Allen is closing the gap. And for the record what I posted wasn't cherry picking the stats. It was comparing 2 games played only 2 weeks apart that featured a common opponent with an elite D in their house. I thought it was interesting that in this situation Allen played about as well as Mahomes did. I found that encouraging. My post was aimed at those who continue to use Mahomes great play as a way to take a shot at Allen. And lets be real Mahomes gets a lot of love on 2BD and a lot of attention. For how many years did we have to see repeated posts reminding us that we passed on drafting Mahomes? Fair enough, you seem reasonable about it. Allen did play well in NE. I just meant that Mahomes has obviously had a superior season overall. I’ve just seen some crazy takes, and didn’t mean to single you out, since your points are all valid. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 What a brutally dull game 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
london_bills Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 6 minutes ago, bills6969 said: Allen and Mahomes have that “it” factor. They both are fearless and are clutch when a big play is needed. I don’t see it in Trubisky. Allen has presence and maybe the 'it' factor you mention but to be fair he wasn't fearless to start the Pats game, that was part of the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAndrew Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, zow2 said: What a brutally dull game That Khalil Mack trade is going to look really bad in the future. He’s a great player, and everyone loved the move last season, but the Bears were never one defensive player away from the Super Bowl. Huge mistake. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 1 minute ago, SirAndrew said: Fair enough, you seem reasonable about it. Allen did play well in NE. I just meant that Mahomes has obviously had a superior season overall. I’ve just seen some crazy takes, and didn’t mean to single you out, since your points are all valid. I think we're actually pretty close on this topic. And yes Mahomee has had the better season. As for crazy takes on 2BD it comes with the territory and IMO Allen is the target of most of the insanity thrown out around here. I mean just today we learned that: * Allen should be moved to TE * The Bills will NEVER win a championship with Allen at QB * Allen sucks * Allen missed on 10 throws against the Pats * Allen is regressing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
london_bills Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said: I think we're actually pretty close on this topic. And yes Mahomee has had the better season. As for crazy takes on 2BD it comes with the territory and IMO Allen is the target of most of the insanity thrown out around here. I mean just today we learned that: * Allen should be moved to TE * The Bills will NEVER win a championship with Allen at QB * Allen sucks * Allen missed on 10 throws against the Pats * Allen is regressing Lol I think the 10 throws against the Pats is aimed at me. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, SirAndrew said: That Khalil Mack trade is going to look really bad in the future. He’s a great player, and everyone loved the move last season, but the Bears were never one defensive player away from the Super Bowl. Huge mistake. And this is why I would take Joe Burrow over Chase Young in the upcoming draft. The relative impact of a QB versus a pass rushing specialist is hugely in favor of the QB. And unlike Bruce Smith, who played the run very well, Mack is a bit of a one trick pony. 4 minutes ago, london_bills said: Lol I think the 10 throws against the Pats is aimed at me. ? We're you the guy who threw that out? I just remember seeing it and saying to myself come on man, maybe he had 5 bad throws but 10, no way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAndrew Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said: I think we're actually pretty close on this topic. And yes Mahomee has had the better season. As for crazy takes on 2BD it comes with the territory and IMO Allen is the target of most of the insanity thrown out around here. I mean just today we learned that: * Allen should be moved to TE * The Bills will NEVER win a championship with Allen at QB * Allen sucks * Allen missed on 10 throws against the Pats * Allen is regressing Allen has talent we haven’t seen at the QB position here in decades. I had given up on every QB we’ve had over the last 20 years quite early on. I haven’t done that with Allen because he has shown a combination of talent and promise. Next season is going to be huge. That’s when we get a better idea of what Allen is going to be. The believers or skeptics will have their points proven next season. It’s far too early to say he isn’t the answer, that’s just ridiculous. We aren’t talking about Trent Edwards. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills6969 Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 8 minutes ago, SirAndrew said: That Khalil Mack trade is going to look really bad in the future. He’s a great player, and everyone loved the move last season, but the Bears were never one defensive player away from the Super Bowl. Huge mistake. Agreed. You don’t trade away a 1st round pick unless it’s for a QB or you already have a franchise QB. Bears went all-in on Trubisky and it looks like it’s not working out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
london_bills Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 5 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said: And this is why I would take Joe Burrow over Chase Young in the upcoming draft. The relative impact of a QB versus a pass rushing specialist is hugely in favor of the QB. And unlike Bruce Smith, who played the run very well, Mack is a bit of a one trick pony. We're you the guy who threw that out? I just remember seeing it and saying to myself come on man, maybe he had 5 bad throws but 10, no way. Haha, I said imagine 10 more completions from allen in the game, what a difference it would make.. So I was really talking about incompletions but when I look at the stat line I would amend that. 13/26, another good few completions would of made a difference, particularly the knox td throw. 10 is a bit much granted. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatloaf63 Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 21 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said: Who the hell is saying this? What I've seen posted is that Allen isn't that far behind Watson. Which I think is true. But then again I think Allen is emerging into being a very good QB and Watson is already a very good QB. Most of the stuff on Jackson on 2BD is positive. At the same time it's not knocking Jackson to say that if he were dropped into the Bills offense he would struggle and not be as effective as Allen. That doesn't mean Allen is better then Jackson it simply acknowledges that the 2 play in very different systems and that Jackson benefits from playing in a system designed for him. It's a testament to Jackson's skills and the brilliance of the ravens coaching staff that they've taken the NFL by storm. As for Mahomes, the most common point made on 2BD is that he has a great offensive mind coaching him and he's surrounded with fantastic skill players. I can't think of to many folks who claim Allen is better though. Mahomes is probably the best QB in the NFL. Allen isn't there yet. But it's okay to speculate on how the two might fare if they switched offenses to play in. Great post ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAndrew Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 1 minute ago, bills6969 said: Agreed. You don’t trade away a 1st round pick unless it’s for a QB or you already have a franchise QB. Bears went all-in on Trubisky and it looks like it’s not working out. I never understood the move, even when the Bears were playing well last season. Going all in with a rookie QB is too risky. Pass rushers are also known to decline quickly, or have down seasons. Apparently they were counting on Trubisky to develop quickly. I wouldn’t have counted on Mack still being an impact pass rusher years down the road if it took Trubisky time to develop either. What made them think Mack was the missing piece with a young QB is something I don’t get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 13 minutes ago, bills6969 said: Agreed. You don’t trade away a 1st round pick unless it’s for a QB or you already have a franchise QB. Bears went all-in on Trubisky and it looks like it’s not working out. They can sign a good vet QB this offseason and be contenders They have a very good defence and an offence that can be good with a better QB. Mitch has shown at time he can be competent, and the Bears offence looked good in those games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 I bet Daboll could make Mahomes look like Allen and Reed could make Allen look like Mahomes. Ha 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 17 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: I bet Daboll could make Mahomes look like Allen and Reed could make Allen look like Mahomes. Ha You’re probably not far off. Wasn’t that what Bum Phillips used to say to describe a great coach ? He can take his’n and beat your’n, then take your’n and beat his’n. Kinda the same thing...I think. Lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 1 minute ago, Boatdrinks said: You’re probably not far off. Wasn’t that what Bum Phillips used to say to describe a great coach ? He can take his’n and beat your’n, then take your’n and beat his’n. Kinda the same thing...I think. Lol What a character Bum was. He had a few good ones. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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