IDBillzFan Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Just now, Margarita said: I hadn't seen it no. I appreciate now what was said and that's great. If someone lacks information its very profitable that it be spoken up and brought forward it furthers understanding. Im reading a lot of posts chastising for not knowing every nuance or detail in regards to this political thread. The lack of knowledge in my view doesn't equal stupidity OR laziness . I thought This is was a chat board forum. As such if the expectation that everyone have full knowledge and wisdom about every nuance or an expert before entering well then you will have the ultra zealots in each camp at war and not much else. A seeker of info and insight diminished and chastised for it? If that's what PPP is about then maybe Im in the wrong chat. Not saying you did that IDBillzfan just an observation. For what it's worth.... I would recommend you approach your questioning from a position of "I genuinely don't know the answer to this. Can someone lead me to a verifiable answer?" It won't take long to cut through the zealots. There are a handful here, but assuming you are genuinely new to this board, I would ask you understand this one truth: virtually every 'regular' poster -- that is, those of us who tend to post here every day or so -- HATED the Trump candidacy. I pissed on his candidacy for months. He's a crude egomaniac. I was sure he would lose. But the leftist posters here, taking their cue from the online leftists, quickly refer to us a mindless Trumptards...defending him at every turn regardless of all the unproven illegal stuff we're supposed to be he did in the face of zero evidence. We don't defend Trump so much as we correct incorrect leftist information. Not being smart enough to counter the discussion, they resort back to calling us Trumptards in Trumplandia. So we mock them for the lack of intellect and reading comprehension. DR was a devout leftist, but digs deep into stories and oddly enough many of us who found him to be a Tibs-like nutbag started to realize he was pretty accurate on a lot of stuff...stuff that changed his political stripes. He'll back his words always, and admit when he can't. I write that to write this: don't approach everyone jumping on you as Trumptards. Most of us are tired of the usual quackcrap we get every day from Tibs and Busey and Bob because the ONLY thing they bring to the table are leftist talking points or some ridiculous sideshow that is meant to confuse the truth. You'll find there are very reasonable left-leaning people here. They just don't post much because they're embarrassed by Tibs, Busey and Bob and tend to get tossed in that schittpile. Be patient and humble and you'll get a lot out of this place. 3 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Albwan Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 7 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said: You realize that there are over 150 million people in the country that agree with me and disagree with you about that election interference take. It may not seem it down here but it is clearly not as cut and dry as you claim. And, you are still haven't found enough integrity to answer the simple question I asked. I am not the least bit surprised to be perfectly honest with you. No one has claimed that there isn't plenty of low information, useful idiots out there. Not to mention a %$#@ ton who will vote for anyone offering free stuff. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in Mich Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 1 hour ago, snafu said: Do you think we should be okay with allowing a Presidential candidate to run without looking into his past performance when we was an elected official? Voters decide if the candidate is acceptable, BUT the election needs to be fair. Who would you suggest do this looking into? Do you think we should just ignore Joe Biden's potential corruption just because he's declared himself a candidate for President? Nope but are you curious why it wasn't it an issue for several years and then became an issue? Do you think it was okay to investigate Trump/Russia when he was running for President? Yes Do you remember who was the progenitor of Trump/Russia, and where SHE got her information? I don't know the she. My recall was the Papadopoulos was involved Do you think it was okay to investigate Trump/Russia while ha's a sitting President? yes Do you think that these Trump investigations were used as political tools for candidates who ran for Congress in 2018? I am sure some candidates used them and their opponents' support of Trump when campaigning Your slip is showing. You're looking and sounding more and more like a partisan hack. Thanks for the assessment. Coming for you folks down here, you can just imagine the weight it carries with me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 2 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said: Do you think we should be okay with allowing a Presidential candidate to run without looking into his past performance when we was an elected official? Voters decide if the candidate is acceptable, BUT the election needs to be fair. Who would you suggest do this looking into? Do you think we should just ignore Joe Biden's potential corruption just because he's declared himself a candidate for President? Nope but are you curious why it wasn't it an issue for several years and then became an issue? Do you think it was okay to investigate Trump/Russia when he was running for President? Yes Do you remember who was the progenitor of Trump/Russia, and where SHE got her information? I don't know the she. My recall was the Papadopoulos was involved Do you think it was okay to investigate Trump/Russia while ha's a sitting President? yes Do you think that these Trump investigations were used as political tools for candidates who ran for Congress in 2018? I am sure some candidates used them and their opponents' support of Trump when campaigning Your slip is showing. You're looking and sounding more and more like a partisan hack. Thanks for the assessment. Coming for you folks down here, you can just imagine the weight it carries with me. Holy cow... Bob doesn't know Clinton paid for the dossier and thinks G-Pop did? You can't make this up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muppy Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 1 minute ago, IDBillzFan said: For what it's worth.... I would recommend you approach your questioning from a position of "I genuinely don't know the answer to this. Can someone lead me to a verifiable answer?" It won't take long to cut through the zealots. There are a handful here, but assuming you are genuinely new to this board, I would ask you understand this one truth: virtually every 'regular' poster -- that is, those of us who tend to post here every day or so -- HATED the Trump candidacy. I pissed on his candidacy for months. He's a crude egomaniac. I was sure he would lose. But the leftist posters here, taking their cue from the online leftists, quickly refer to us a mindless Trumptards...defending him at every turn regardless of all the unproven illegal stuff we're supposed to be he did in the face of zero evidence. We don't defend Trump so much as we correct incorrect leftist information. Not being smart enough to counter the discussion, they resort back to calling us Trumptards in Trumplandia. So we mock them for the lack of intellect and reading comprehension. DR was a devout leftist, but digs deep into stories and oddly enough many of us who found him to be a Tibs-like nutbag started to realize he was pretty accurate on a lot of stuff...stuff that changed his political stripes. He'll back his words always, and admit when he can't. I write that to write this: don't approach everyone jumping on you as Trumptards. Most of us are tired of the usual quackcrap we get every day from Tibs and Busey and Bob because the ONLY thing they bring to the table are leftist talking points or some ridiculous sideshow that is meant to confuse the truth. You'll find there are very reasonable left-leaning people here. They just don't post much because they're embarrassed by Tibs, Busey and Bob and tend to get tossed in that schittpile. Be patient and humble and you'll get a lot out of this place. thank you very much for this. I do have to laugh at the "assuming you are genuinely new to this thread" comment lol why there is so much conjecture that I have posted here under a different chat handle. Ive really not been a lurker here either. There are only 2 chat names I have ever posted on any football boards here I chose margarita because it is a derivative of my real name and Muppy a derivative of my first initial plus a bestie from high schools last name at a different chat board. SURPRISE!! LOL anyway I really hope that puts this to rest I have no reason to lie OR be that devious. Always good to read you ...PS: I miss seeing your Mexican bills hat avatar ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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3rdnlng Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 4 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Holy cow... Bob doesn't know Clinton paid for the dossier and thinks G-Pop did? You can't make this up. Why are you so surprised that Bob is just as uninformed and ignorant as 150 million other citizens? Can you imagine what it would be like if those 150 million citizens actually became informed? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Just now, 3rdnlng said: Why are you so surprised that Bob is just as uninformed and ignorant as 150 million other citizens? Can you imagine what it would be like if those 150 million citizens actually became informed? It's amazing because that's a BASIC fact. And Bob doesn't know it, despite riding his high horse. Most would call Bob an asshat for that. As would I. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muppy Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 since Mr Bolton and his credibility seems to be pertinent especially if being called as a witness in the impeachment case I saw this and wonder what you all think about it...this speaks to the Fox News perceptions changing from when first hired by Mr Trump. Not that talking heads are the be all and end all of truth but it is interesting at least to me.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 What ever happened to BM/John Adams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 White House has issued formal threat to Bolton to keep him from publishing book In a letter to Bolton's lawyer, a top official at the National Security Council wrote the unpublished manuscript of Bolton's book "appears to contain significant amounts of classified information" and couldn't be published as written. https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/29/politics/donald-trump-john-bolton-white-house-book/index.html Since the President has the power to declassify material , hmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in Mich Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 40 minutes ago, Foxx said: Bob, i have tried very patiently to explain things to you. when you don't play by the rules of common ordinary social discourse, then you get moved into another category for treatment. moving the goal posts, avoiding posts that would have you have to explain or respond to something that would possibly make you uncomfortable because there is no logical defense other than to avoid them because responding to them would make you have to admit you were wrong, much like the 'extortion' discussion we had, amongst others are all tactics that show you are not being genuine in your discourse. this turnip didn't just fall off the truck. the ship has sailed on our previous discussions at this point, because to go back and make sense of the mishmash that you have created at this point would prove to be more effort than i am willing to expend in your direction now. what i will do is to attempt, going forward, to interact with you one more time on a cordial basis. however that basis depends on you being genuine in our discourse, Bob. be honest and genuine and we will have no problem. I have been honest. There are times I may have used some sarcasm but aside from that, always honest. Again, point to specific postings that you think show something other than honesty. You like assignments, right? lol There are a lot of reasons for not answering a post. What are you talking about? I have dealt with most all of them just today. -I got too many replies to give thought and time to them all. - Have I already answered the issue in a recent post? - I may check out because I have something else to do - I may not answer because some posted questions are just stupid - I may not answer because to do so would take a reply of great length and I don't feel that energetic at the time. -etc Don't be so quick to assume you know every motivation. You don't. I don't recall your specific question. I tried to actually reply to your Bondi question. I understand too about not wanting to expend more energy on my postings. I feel just that way with several posters here too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 2 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: It's amazing because that's a BASIC fact. And Bob doesn't know it, despite riding his high horse. Most would call Bob an asshat for that. As would I. We've had to put up with people here for so long that just don't know the facts but have a gigantic fervor based on their feelings. Time and time again people like gator, gary, bob, TH3, etc. kick up shitstorms based on ignorance that it causes any new poster like Margarita to be suspect. As I've said in the past, this forum's usefulness is not so much in giving a person the opportunity to spout off but first the opportunity to listen and learn. We are all mini teachers here but the true value is that we are all much more learners if we take that opportunity. Those of us that realize that, despise people who don't even understand the subject or the players but expect to teach the rest of us. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albwan Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 I find it hilarious that there's a group of trolls that come here doing the whole scowling chuckie schumer impression lecturing all the people on this board . Get a life losers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 21 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: you just can't make this horseshit up. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, Albwan said: I find it hilarious that there's a group of trolls that come here doing the whole scowling chuckie schumer impression lecturing all the people on this board . Get a life losers. instead of teach me how to dougie, teach me how to chuckie lmao Edited January 29, 2020 by Bray Wyatt 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 4 minutes ago, ALF said: White House has issued formal threat to Bolton to keep him from publishing book In a letter to Bolton's lawyer, a top official at the National Security Council wrote the unpublished manuscript of Bolton's book "appears to contain significant amounts of classified information" and couldn't be published as written. https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/29/politics/donald-trump-john-bolton-white-house-book/index.html Since the President has the power to declassify material , hmmm Jake is lying. Read the letter, ALF. There's no threat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 7 minutes ago, Bray Wyatt said: What ever happened to BM/John Adams? his head actually exploded. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 3 minutes ago, ALF said: White House has issued formal threat to Bolton to keep him from publishing book In a letter to Bolton's lawyer, a top official at the National Security Council wrote the unpublished manuscript of Bolton's book "appears to contain significant amounts of classified information" and couldn't be published as written. https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/29/politics/donald-trump-john-bolton-white-house-book/index.html Since the President has the power to declassify material , hmmm So, the President is now God? There's a reason for classifying certain things and just declassifying them because he has the authority doesn't make it right. I'm surprised that you could even contemplate this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Gavin in Va Beach Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 6 minutes ago, Margarita said: since Mr Bolton and his credibility seems to be pertinent especially if being called as a witness in the impeachment case I saw this and wonder what you all think about it...this speaks to the Fox News perceptions changing from when first hired by Mr Trump. Not that talking heads are the be all and end all of truth but it is interesting at least to me.... Washington Pravda, sorry, Post, certainly tried to paint the people in their 'Then and Now' as hypocrites. On the face it does appear to be that way. OTOH, what I saw was people disappointed in a man they thought had integrity and gravitas suddenly morph into a snake going after money. The one guy said he realized Bolton had some establishment ties, but that he was loyal. Certainly Bolton doesn't seem very loyal now. The 'Then' tone strikes me as 'Hey, this guy is a good guy. I vouch for him for this job'. The 'Now' tone changes, because this good guy was recently found out to be embezzling and cheating on his wife. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 2 minutes ago, Foxx said: his head actually exploded. Maybe he and DC Tom got a room. They left at the same time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in Mich Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 52 minutes ago, CoudyBills said: The capitalized part, please elaborate. Not a trap, honestly asking. pre-appropriated funds were withheld. This apparently surprised most all of the witnesses because it was not the policy they had been working toward. Our policy at the time was to give them the aid and not leverage it and withhold it for announcements of investigations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Just now, Bob in Mich said: pre-appropriated funds were withheld. This apparently surprised most all of the witnesses because it was not the policy they had been working toward. Our policy at the time was to give them the aid and not leverage it and withhold it for announcements of investigations Then why did all 17 (of the 18) witnesses refuse to state that they believed an impeachable offense or crime was committed at that time? Try to answer that one without collapsing into yourself like a dying star. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoudyBills Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 49 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said: You realize that there are over 150 million people in the country that agree with me and disagree with you about that election interference take. It may not seem it down here but it is clearly not as cut and dry as you claim. And, you are still haven't found enough integrity to answer the simple question I asked. I am not the least bit surprised to be perfectly honest with you. Complete fabrication. There are not 150 million people, in this country, informed enough to make said decision. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 14 minutes ago, Bray Wyatt said: What ever happened to BM/John Adams? That's me duh 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 22 hours ago, Foxx said: are you saying US soldiers getting injured is something that is unique to the Trump Administration? have you ever seen swamp water drained before? it does tend to get murkier before it empties. that is the nature of swamp water. additionally, your not suggesting that Trump should have been able to clean up a cesspool of epic proportions that has grown over a period of roughly 100 years in less than 4 years are you? WRT Iran. I would say that the recent attacks are in retaliation to Trump's actions.. But hey Don said 50 traumatic brain injuries are nothing to worry about. He's seen much worse. Jan. 28 (UPI) -- The Defense Department said Tuesday that 50 U.S. military personnel have now been diagnosed with concussions and traumatic brain injuries after an Iranian missile attack on U.S. forces in Iraq earlier this month. What Snake Oil Salesman Don said In the final stretch of his campaign, Donald Trump made “drain the swamp” a catch-all slogan for everything his supporters despised about Washington: lobbyists, corruption, campaign finance and pay-to-play. He's had 3 years and he'ss failed thus far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 23 minutes ago, Margarita said: thank you very much for this. I do have to laugh at the "assuming you are genuinely new to this thread" comment lol why there is so much conjecture that I have posted here under a different chat handle. Ive really not been a lurker here either. There are only 2 chat names I have ever posted on any football boards here I chose margarita because it is a derivative of my real name and Muppy a derivative of my first initial plus a bestie from high schools last name at a different chat board. SURPRISE!! LOL anyway I really hope that puts this to rest I have no reason to lie OR be that devious. Always good to read you ...PS: I miss seeing your Mexican bills hat avatar ? Muppy. I'll be damned. Welcome. Helluva football season. Hope you enjoyed it as much as I did. There are a handful of people here who spend a couple of months in a username, get their ass handed to then, they leave and return with a different username, acting like they're new here. I never understand that, but regardless, whenever someone new shows up, for better or worse, it's assumed someone just changed their name. This side of TBD is a bit like the Wild West as the mods let us beat each other up more, but once you weed out the chuckleheads, there's lots of good stuff. Ignore is your friend here. Welcome. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 21 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Not at all. The House stacked the deck, played their hand and here we are. If the evidence fails to convince the number of senators required, it speaks for itself. Everyone has already lost in some respects. Between Mueller, Kavanaugh and the like, those who voted for Trump have lost nearly 4 years to investigations that go nowhere. Our votes were impacted, the agenda for the admin certainly impacted, and who knows what might have been accomplished if not for the distractions of a tyrannical DOJ investigation. The libs have lost as they were lead around by your noses with one fake scandal after another. And we as citizens lose because the roadmap has been established--call your opponent treasonous, utilize the DOJ, the FBI, the CIA, and the IRS (obviously) to destroy your rival. Here's hoping the Rs have the intestinal fortitude to see it through and tell the dems "Get the heck outta here!" on the witness issue. Kind of like the Benghazi investigations and the search for 300 missing emails, A huge waste of time ' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 48 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: The argument being made by Democrats, which you are apparently borrowing, is that the President doesn’t have the authority to set/conduct foreign policy; and that the entrenched bureaucracy should instead perform this function, subverting the President, with the oversight of Congress. Minor correction to this point - Their argument is not that the President doesn’t have the authority to set/conduct foreign policy, but that in conducting that policy he stood to personally benefit in an upcoming election. While that argument may play well on the CNN octopanels, it's a thin one to base an entire impeachment proceeding on. Not only because of the paucity of evidence of wrongdoing, but the horrific precedent it would set for future impeachment proceedings. As many remarked, by this standard, every President would be subject to impeachment by the opposing party in legislature. That's scary, third world banana republic stuff right there. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoudyBills Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 2 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said: WRT Iran. I would say that the recent attacks are in retaliation to Trump's actions.. But hey Don said 50 traumatic brain injuries are nothing to worry about. He's seen much worse. Jan. 28 (UPI) -- The Defense Department said Tuesday that 50 U.S. military personnel have now been diagnosed with concussions and traumatic brain injuries after an Iranian missile attack on U.S. forces in Iraq earlier this month. What Snake Oil Salesman Don said In the final stretch of his campaign, Donald Trump made “drain the swamp” a catch-all slogan for everything his supporters despised about Washington: lobbyists, corruption, campaign finance and pay-to-play. He's had 3 years and he'ss failed thus far Partisan hackery on your part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 1 minute ago, CoudyBills said: Partisan hackery on your part. Partisan my ass. I knew Don to be a FRAUD long before he got into politics. It's not my fault his base is blind to his motives. drain the swamp and Lock Her Up. Failures on both counts. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoudyBills Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 1 minute ago, SlimShady'sGhost said: Partisan my ass. I knew Don to be a FRAUD long before he got into politics. It's not my fault his base is blind to his motives. Please list 5 things your president has done well as your president. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin in Va Beach Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Since Romney seems to be itching to bend over for the Democrats and the Media (but I repeat myself)... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bob in Mich Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 11 minutes ago, CoudyBills said: Complete fabrication. There are not 150 million people, in this country, informed enough to make said decision. Yeah, ya caught me. I quit counting at 17 but know that most polls show the country pretty much evenly divided. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 1 minute ago, Bob in Mich said: Yeah, ya caught me. I quit counting at 17 but know that most polls show the country pretty much evenly divided. You don't even know the basic facts of the two biggest political stories of the past half decade: Trump/Russia and Trump/Ukraine. You're uninformed. Relevance: This is the man leading the impeachment case. His word is worthless. He's a proven liar and manipulator. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Shocking that Demings doesn't have her facts right. It's almost like the House managers have been lying to the public for so long they don't know up from down. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Geez, I thought the Schumer/Lev Parnas thing would be the silliest thing today................wrong Imagine walking into your office and being confronted by a sheet cake. A free sheet cake. You’d be quaking in your boots and questioning your decisions, wouldn’t you? Well, wouldn’t you??? . 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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