Joe B. All-22 from Broncos game - pump the brakes on Cody Ford vs Von Miller love

[oldmanfan]

7 minutes ago, cage said:

 

Fair enough and you're right.  Here is the disclaimer that he puts in each article as he dives into the grades.  He doesn't appear to be doing it by himself.  He probably should state who else is part of the grading.  I've bolded statements that acknowledge the potential shortcomings of the work.  However, I'll stand by that this has to be a more objective review of each player than people who just watched the TV broadcast (even re-watched it) and could only observe select highlights.

 

How the standards work

Every Tuesday, when the All-22 film becomes available, we’ll go through and watch every player on every play as many times as necessary to assess letter grades. It is a subjective analysis, and it’s important to note we do not know the play calls and full responsibilities. The grades stem from technique, effort and presumed liability.

The study accounts only for players who take a snap on offense or defense. Players with fewer than 15 snaps — unless they have a significant impact on the game — will not factor into weekly rankings.

Season-long grades will be tallied and documented, with a single game’s grade weighted based on how much the player was on the field in a given week.

Thanks for including this.  I agree having the ability to go back and look time and again is helpful

[cage]

9 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Thanks for including this.  I agree having the ability to go back and look time and again is helpful

 

BTW, his headline on Ford is:

Ford was solid but primarily received a ton of help with Von Miller

[soflabillsfan1]

Man, we have some thin-skinned fans.

[Thurman#1]

2 hours ago, cage said:

 

Its not.  The main point is that the outcome wasn't Ford on his own handling Miller.  Given that absence of hearing Miller's name during the game, many assumed that Ford handled him, however the video analysis shows that he had lots of help in the process.  Nothing wrong with that.  Mission accomplished!  Well done by the coaching staff, scheming, game planning and player execution which includes Ford, but the All-22 analysis seeks to individually grade each player

 

 

This exactly.

 

And it's not surprising that Gaughan comes up with much the same conclusions.

 

https://buffalonews.com/2019/11/26/buffalo-bills-dion-dawkins-quinton-spain-offensive-line-denver-broncos-analysis-von-miller-nfl-grades-2019/?utm_medium=more_stories

 

"The offensive line leads this week’s position-by-position grading of the Bills, based on video review and on a scale of 0 to 5:

 

"Offensive line (4.5): Miller played 47 snaps off right tackle and 11 off left tackle. Rookie Cody Ford had to solo block Miller 10 times and gave up only one hurry. Eight other times Ford got help from a back, a tight end or guard Spencer Long. On a third-down conversion pass for 12 yards, Ford had perfect balance against Miller. Ditto for the TD pass to Cole Beasley. Ford allowed only one hurry. Dawkins allowed a sack to Miller (aided by a blitz) but yielded only one other hurry.

 

"In the run game, Spain showed off his power. He blocked Reed on a 27-yard run by Frank Gore. He sealed off tough nose tackle Mike Purcell a couple times. He picked up blitzing A.J. Johnson on the TD pass to John Brown. He walled off Adam Gotsis on several clock-killing runs. It was an A-plus day for Spain. Props to Jon Feliciano for playing stout and glitch-free over the last 64 snaps at center in place of Mitch Morse."

 

 

Good, but had a lot of help. As you say, nothing at all wrong with that. But it's very much worth noting. And pointing it out isn't some kind of anti-Bills act.

 

 

Edited November 27, 2019 by Thurman#1

[Thurman#1]

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I guess I'm wondering what is the definition of "attacked relentlessly"?

I see one post slinging a mild insult "tool", maybe two if "enjoy the game" counts as an attack?

 

The rest appear to be differing opinions and a few questioning Joe's film breakdown chops, which I think is fair it's not like he's a former OL coach. 

Where are the relentless attacks?

 

 

Questioning his breakdown chops is fair ... if you're then going back and doing your own breakdowns. But that's not what is happening here.

 

People disagree with the message so they're saying that the messenger must suck. These are all people who didn't like the message responding angrily:

 

 

12 hours ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

Jesus Joe.  
 

ENJOY THE ***** WIN FOR CHRIST SAKE 

 

12 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

As to the middle bolded... Yeah, Joe, that's the way it's supposed to work!

 

Had Joe said it wasn't supposed to work that way?

 

 

12 hours ago, Bubba Gump said:

 

No kidding. He's starting to sound like Sully

 

 

11 hours ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

 

is he job to be a tool?

 

 

 

All within the first 11 replies. There were also some very reasonable replies on both sides, but Joe always gets criticisms, and they always come when he said something not wildly sycophantic about a Bills player.

 

And that Eric Wood interview you mentioned I always considered a classic, because he went over several plays that he said fans wouldn't understand and I went back and found I'd gone through parts of the film on various research projects. I hadn't analyzed all the plays, but I believe I had looked at two out of three and had correctly understood both of them before I saw the interview. And I'm no football genius.

 

It isn't as tough as many believe to break this stuff down. It's certainly not possible on all plays but on a very high percentage it's really pretty easy ... if you're willing to put in the time to look at it over and over again. That's the tough part. And it's why I got really into All-22 study for a while and have since done way less. It just takes so much time.

 

 

 

Edited November 27, 2019 by Thurman#1

[YoloinOhio]

3 hours ago, cage said:

 

Amen brother!  People jump on JoeB's analysis regularly, but the reality is that it's the most comprehensive data that we have available to us.  Most everyone else's opinion is a 4th beer fly by from during the game and watching the select highlights.  I really doubt he has any favorites, but is just trying to give an objective grade to each player.  I'm not sure if he does this all himself or if there's anyone else working w/ him, who may have more football coaching experience?  However, I think its valuable input to the various discussions that happen on this board related to this or that player sucks, should be cut or should be immediately re-signed/extended

Right, I’m not taking it as gospel but it’s more than I  am able to see sitting on my couch for 3 hours on Sunday. It just one piece of analysis from a guy watching all-22. If there are other all 22s out there that people have access to they should post them. I don’t have a cover 1 subscription 

Edited November 27, 2019 by YoloinOhio

[badassgixxer05]

15 minutes ago, soflabillsfan1 said:

Man, we have some thin-skinned fans.

Most are just reacting to the pump the brakes on Cody Ford vs Von Miller love headline. Ford did his job whether it was 1 v 1 or 2 v 1 is irrelevant. He played a part in shutting down one of the best in game, so that in turn deserves some love. 

[cage]

5 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Right, I’m not taking it as gospel but it’s more than I  am able to see sitting on my couch for 3 hours on Sunday. It just one piece of analysis from a guy watching all-22. If there are other all 22s out there that people have access to they should post them. I don’t have a cover 1 subscription 

 

Cover1 is outstanding work!!  However, he picks and chooses what he finds interesting to showcase and then does an outstanding job at it.  He doesn't grade each player, each week over the course of the season.  As you point out all this is just another input to shape our understanding of the team and its players.  As has been stated above I don't like it when one of us points to the JoeB analysis as a counterpoint to "xxxx sucks" and then the response to that is "JoeB sucks" so that doesn't count

Edited November 27, 2019 by cage

[soflabillsfan1]

1 minute ago, badassgixxer05 said:

Most are just reacting to the pump the brakes on Cody Ford vs Von Miller love headline. Ford did his job whether it was 1 v 1 or 2 v 1 is irrelevant. He played a part in shutting down one of the best in game, so that in turn deserves some love. 

I think Joe's right.  Ford has a long way to go.  I'm glad he had help on Miller.  If left alone, it probably would have been a disaster.  This is the NFL.  It's constant critiquing. 

[YoloinOhio]

5 minutes ago, badassgixxer05 said:

Most are just reacting to the pump the brakes on Cody Ford vs Von Miller love headline. Ford did his job whether it was 1 v 1 or 2 v 1 is irrelevant. He played a part in shutting down one of the best in game, so that in turn deserves some love. 

I think Joe B believes some fans think Ford contained miller 1:1. No one really thought that on this board, so our expectations were met in the sense that we gave him the proper amount of “love” for a rookie carrying out his assignment and not hurting the team in his first full game at RT against an all pro speed rusher, the type he’s struggled with to this point. But some parts of the fan base may not really see the nuance. 

Edited November 27, 2019 by YoloinOhio

[badassgixxer05]

Just now, soflabillsfan1 said:

I think Joe's right.  Ford has a long way to go.  I'm glad he had help on Miller.  If left alone, it probably would have been a disaster.  This is the NFL.  It's constant critiquing. 

Anyone left alone on Miller all game is cause for disaster imo... Ford is a rookie and for sure has some ways to go, but id take this game as a positive and he should be proud of the performance. On to Dallas!

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 minute ago, Thurman#1 said:

Questioning his breakdown chops is fair ... if you're then going back and doing your own breakdowns. But that's not what is happening here.

 

I don't follow that at all. 

As a matter of fact, I do do my own all-22 breakdown most weeks though I don't do it to "grade" and wouldn't want to pretend to

But why must one complete a task oneself to critique it or to question someone's qualifications to perform it? 

 

I don't have to be a roofer myself to look across the street and say that the guys roofing the neighbor's house are half-assing the flashing and using safety lines in a manner they shouldn't be used, do I?  I just need to understand how flashing is supposed to work, and that safety lines are supposed to be protection against a fall, not something you hang from while hammering instead of working off a scaffold or ladder.

 

1 minute ago, Thurman#1 said:

People disagree with the message so they're saying that the messenger must suck. These are all people who didn't like the message responding angrily:

 

Would you say a guy telling him to "enjoy the win", another saying he sounds like Sully, and a third pointing out that he may be casting as criticism something that's actually good play design qualifies as being "attacked relentlessly"? 

 

As an example of a relentless attack, I'd say it seems pretty weak sauce.

 

 

[ILBillsfan]

7 hours ago, JimKellyTryouts said:

Von to Buffalo 2020 gitrdun

I'll pass

[Don Otreply]

11 hours ago, Bangarang said:

His job isn’t to be a fan. 

This is true, but in reality Ford was fine, the game plan worked, and Ford was a big part of it on the right side, so it’s a non issue as to that game. Much ado about virtually nothing. Anyway the Bills offense dominated the Denver Defense. And that end result is a good sign imo. Coulda shoulda mighta don't count.

 

Go Bills!!!

[TPS]

2 hours ago, Distorted One said:

Can someone please post the parts about Josh and Ed? 

Yeah, my untrained eye says Ed was a beast in that game. His sack was a perfect example of his skills.

I hope Tomorrow turns out to be his coming out party for a national audience. 

[YoloinOhio]

2 hours ago, Distorted One said:

Can someone please post the parts about Josh and Ed? 

It’s a paid site so I’m not really allowed to post it all. I’ll find some snippets 

 

Allen clearly is showing an introspective side — an element to his personality that has the Bills excited about how high he can climb. He’s also showing the signs of thinking through the play even during the high-pressure seconds within the pocket. Even on Allen’s interception that he appeared to airmail upon the initial viewing, it was a calculated decision. Allen thought he spotted no help to the safety over the top and lofted the pass to John Brown expecting him to run a deep post. Allen didn’t see the safety, which he said disguised himself in the coverage, yet Brown did. As a result, Brown flattened the route into a crosser, which made the throw appear like a complete misfire. 

 

In addition to thinking through the game more effectively, Allen has also gradually quickened his processing. Over the last four games, Allen has improved upon what had been a flaw early in the season: making a decision quicker.

Edited November 27, 2019 by YoloinOhio

[YoloinOhio]

 Over the last three games, the rookie has outshined Phillips, making a compelling case to retake the starting job. It all has to do with consistency in both phases. While Phillips has the advantage in finished plays as a pass-rusher, Oliver generates more consistent pressure in his limited reps. The statistics are beginning to back that up, as well. Oliver has two sacks over the last two games and set up the Bills for numerous sacks and incompletions because of his push up front.

As a run defender, Oliver is the superior player as well as he holds his ground more effectively and consistently than his teammate.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

9 hours ago, Bangarang said:

I’ve been reading Joe’s stuff for a while and I’ve never known him to be a tool, especially when giving his take on the All-22. He’s generally fair and objective in his evaluations.

 

..  Your opinion ^^ 

 

I've been reading Bills beat reporters stuff for 40 years and post the SB era they all became cantankerous tools 

 

Enjoy the win and stop bitching  >> My opinion

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Bills’ Cody Ford passes battle with flying colors, earns praise from Von Miller

https://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/2019/11/bills-cody-ford-passes-battle-with-flying-colors-earns-praise-from-von-miller.html

 

Von Miller, 30, can still dominate football games. He’s been named to seven Pro Bowls, seven All-Pro teams and is a former Super Bowl MVP.

 

Miller would be a huge test for the rookie right tackle.

 

Ford was not perfect on Sunday, but he passed his first test following Nsekhe’s injury with flying colors. Post-game, Ford mentioned that Miller had the fastest first step he has seen to date. ESPN’s Marcel Louis-Jacques told Miller about Ford’s comments before asking the veteran to assess Ford’s play.

 

“(Ford) played well. Wish I could have had a couple more chances, but he played well. (Dion) Dawkins played well too. I think in unison with Josh Allen they played a good game. They did well. Cody should feel good about the way he played today. Dawkins should too.”

 

Miller’s chances to get after Josh Allen were limited. Buffalo attempted just 25 passes in the victory as they ran all over the Broncos. To Miller’s credit, he recorded Denver’s only sack in Week 12 while finishing with two tackles for loss.

[YoloinOhio]

21 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

This is true, but in reality Ford was fine, the game plan worked, and Ford was a big part of it on the right side, so it’s a non issue as to that game. Much ado about virtually nothing. Anyway the Bills offense dominated the Denver Defense. And that end result is a good sign imo. Coulda shoulda mighta don't count.

 

Go Bills!!!

Joe B said the same. 

[Bangarang]

8 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

 

..  Your opinion ^^ 

 

No kidding..

 

8 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

 

I've been reading Bills beat reporters stuff for 40 years and post the SB era they all became cantankerous tools 

 

What does that have to do with Joe’s article?

 

8 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

 

Enjoy the win and stop bitching  >> My opinion

 

 

Did you even read the article? The only one coming across as a tool is you. And before you say it, yes that’s my opinion.

[Don Otreply]

Just now, YoloinOhio said:

Joe B said the same. 

Don’t get the Athletic, just voicing my thoughts on the snippets here, Good to see Joe is smart like me, ?

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

But it's just his opinion when all's said and done.  My only quarrel is with people who believe it's an objective analysis.  Even Joe B states "it is a subjective analysis and it's important to note we do not know the play calls and full responsibilities"

The problem there Hap, IMO is that the people that think the rookie Ford is bad, now have fuel added to their fire. 

 

I started out with a statement Enjoy the Win  ...  Is that too much to ask for???  

 

reading that Miller said Cody should feel good about the way he played today. To me says a lot 

Edited November 27, 2019 by SlimShady'sGhost

[Hapless Bills Fan]

5 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

The problem there Hap, IMO is that the people that think the rookie Ford is bad, now have fuel added to their fire. 

 

I started out with a statement Enjoy the Win  ...  Is that too much to ask for???  

 

Yeah, but is it really significant additional fuel?  Knee-jerk haters seem able to fuel themselves off of air, basically.

 

It is a point that Joe's job is not to enjoy the win, but to write about it, and since hearts and flowers are kind of boring to read about and not what Athletic readers subscribe for, he has to dig into it.  The Athletic's selling point is in-depth analysis for fairly serious sports fans, ones who want more than just "we won, yea!" on their teams.

 

I love it because it's helping to spur other publications  to also add depth and detail to their coverage so we get guys like Kubiak writing for TBN

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Yeah, but is it really significant additional fuel?

 

It is a point that Joe's job is not to enjoy the win, but to write about it, and since hearts and flowers are kind of boring to read about and not what Athletic readers subscribe for, he has to dig into it.

 

I get controversy gets clicks ...  controversy also gets ridicule

(I should know  ) 

 

Against the Denver Defense I'd say that 1 sack and over 244 yards rushing was pretty darn good. 

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

17 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

I've been reading Bills beat reporters stuff for 40 years and post the SB era they all became cantankerous tools

 

That's a very broad brush

1) there seems to have been a substantial changing of the guard in Bills beat reporters the last few years - Marcel Louis-Jacques, Jim Kubiak, Eric Turner, Ty Dunne when he was here etc

2) even the older guard like Vic Carruci, Tim Graham and Joe B seem to be writing in a different style to a different editorial direction, some at new publications.

 

Look at it this way: I would think you'd object if someone tags the current Bills coaches and FO with the sins of the previous 17 years.  They weren't here, so why hold them responsible?

 

1 minute ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

 

I get controversy gets clicks ...  controversy also gets ridicule

(I should know  ) 

 

Against the Denver Defense I'd say that 1 sack and over 244 yards rushing was pretty darn good.

 

Joe gives Ford his propers on run blocking, he just points out that he got a lot of help vs the pass.

 

We're starting to loop here so I'm out

[MAJBobby]

14 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

So what you are saying Joe is the Bills did what EVERY FREAKING TEAM in the NFL does against Miller.  Got it

[MAJBobby]

6 hours ago, cage said:

 

Amen brother!  People jump on JoeB's analysis regularly, but the reality is that it's the most comprehensive data that we have available to us.  Most everyone else's opinion is a 4th beer fly by from during the game and watching the select highlights.  I really doubt he has any favorites, but is just trying to give an objective grade to each player.  I'm not sure if he does this all himself or if there's anyone else working w/ him, who may have more football coaching experience?  However, I think its valuable input to the various discussions that happen on this board related to this or that player sucks, should be cut or should be immediately re-signed/extended

 

Cover 1 begs to differ

[MAJBobby]

3 hours ago, cage said:

 

Fair enough and you're right.  Here is the disclaimer that he puts in each article as he dives into the grades.  He doesn't appear to be doing it by himself.  He probably should state who else is part of the grading.  I've bolded statements that acknowledge the potential shortcomings of the work.  However, I'll stand by that this has to be a more objective review of each player than people who just watched the TV broadcast (even re-watched it) and could only observe select highlights.

 

How the standards work

Every Tuesday, when the All-22 film becomes available, we’ll go through and watch every player on every play as many times as necessary to assess letter grades. It is a subjective analysis, and it’s important to note we do not know the play calls and full responsibilities. The grades stem from technique, effort and presumed liability.

The study accounts only for players who take a snap on offense or defense. Players with fewer than 15 snaps — unless they have a significant impact on the game — will not factor into weekly rankings.

Season-long grades will be tallied and documented, with a single game’s grade weighted based on how much the player was on the field in a given week.

 

So can someone tell me how an All 22 comes out on Tuesday and this has happened for roughly 40-45 players and He has it out less than 24 hours later?

 

I for example to grade an OL on one specific play it will take at least 3-4 reviews of that play.  Need to watch the entire offense to see what the play is, then the QB to see how Protection is set, then the OL to see what the blocking scheme is, Then Finally can get the look at the player...  (of course that only matters if you are truly breaking the film and the play down.

2 hours ago, soflabillsfan1 said:

I think Joe's right.  Ford has a long way to go.  I'm glad he had help on Miller.  If left alone, it probably would have been a disaster.  This is the NFL.  It's constant critiquing. 

 

He was left alone 10 plays and gave up Zero Sacks.  1 Pressure.

Edited November 27, 2019 by MAJBobby

[BillsFan4]

It’s all all-22 film review that Joe does every week. He’s just reporting what he sees on the tape, good or bad.

 

Personally, I enjoy his weekly game reviews and don’t really ever get the sense that he’s being negative for the sake of being negative (like Jerry, Bucky, Sal etc).

In fact, there’s been numerous times where he will report that a player everyone else was being negative about actually had a good game, or that a loss wasn’t as bad as it first looked. 

 

 

Quote

For a second consecutive week, the Buffalo Bills put together a complete effort during a win. Their eighth win of the season, this time a 20-3 result against the Denver Broncos, featured the youth of the organization in a prominent role.

 

The Bills claimed the victory and put themselves one step closer to securing a second playoff appearance in three seasons. Before the Bills begin their toughest stretch of the schedule, first is a look back at what we learned from their win over the Broncos.

 

Each week using the coaches’ film, The Athletic will grade every individual Bills player based on how they performed. You can find the full explanation for the grades at the end.

The Bills saw several standouts on both sides of the ball, including more progress from their young quarterback. To go along with the grades, here are some of the top takeaways from the film.

 

This is a description of the article. It’s not a negative article by any means. 

 

And a paragraph on Josh Allen -

 

Quote

Allen clearly is showing an introspective side, an element to his personality that has the Bills excited about how high he can climb. He’s also showing the signs of thinking through the play even during the high-pressure seconds within the pocket. Even on Allen’s interception that he appeared to airmail upon the initial viewing, it was a calculated decision. Allen thought he spotted no help to the safety over the top and lofted the pass to John Brown, expecting him to run a deep post. Allen didn’t see the safety, which he said disguised himself in the coverage, yet Brown did. As a result, Brown flattened the route into a crosser, which made the throw appear like a complete misfire. Allen will need to correct himself in looking for the backside safety on those looks, especially with that now on tape. However, with how often he’s learned from mistakes this season, you shouldn’t put it past him.

 

In addition to thinking through the game more effectively, Allen has also gradually quickened his processing. Over the last four games, Allen has improved upon what had been a flaw early in the season: making a decision quicker.

 

(chart on release times)

 

He’ll have to do so more consistently, though reducing his time to decision by .34 seconds is a lifetime in terms of how long a defense has to get to him. It also reduces the time and pressure that the offensive line faces in blocking for its quarterback. Allen continues to make strides in almost every area of his game, which sets up for a promising end to his season and higher expectations for his third year in 2020.

 

Edited November 27, 2019 by BillsFan4

[soflabillsfan1]

6 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

 

So can someone tell me how an All 22 comes out on Tuesday and this has happened for roughly 40-45 players and He has it out less than 24 hours later?

 

I for example to grade an OL on one specific play it will take at least 3-4 reviews of that play.  Need to watch the entire offense to see what the play is, then the QB to see how Protection is set, then the OL to see what the blocking scheme is, Then Finally can get the look at the player...  (of course that only matters if you are truly breaking the film and the play down.

 

He was left alone 10 plays and gave up Zero Sacks.  1 Pressure.

Ok and he had 20 passing snaps where he had help.   All it takes is getting beat 1 or 2 times and it can change a game.  How long did Josh hold the ball on those other 9 snaps?  Was Miller rushing the passer on all those snaps? Ford is a average to below average RT right now.  I'm glad he held his own in limited responsibility but that doesn't change that much.

[Boca BIlls]

15 hours ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

Jesus Joe.  
 

ENJOY THE ***** WIN FOR CHRIST SAKE 

He is just saying give the props where props are due.

[MAJBobby]

1 minute ago, soflabillsfan1 said:

Ok and he had 20 passing snaps where he had help.   All it takes is getting beat 1 or 2 times and it can change a game.  How long did Josh hold the ball on those other 9 snaps?  Was Miller rushing the passer on all those snaps? Ford is a average to below average RT right now.  I'm glad he held his own in limited responsibility but that doesn't change that much.

 

Ford faced Miller 10 times 1v1 and surrendered 1 Pressure.

 

Dawkins faced him 1v1 11 times and surrendered 1 pressure and 1 sack.

 

OOO No he had help as a rookie against an ALL PRO.  Yeah still did his job in those 20 2v1 as well.  

 

Love how we add hypothetical into an game that never happened.  Guess what he didnt get beat 1 or 2 times so what it the point of even saying that.  

Edited November 27, 2019 by MAJBobby

[soflabillsfan1]

Just now, MAJBobby said:

 

Ford faced Miller 10 times 1v1 and surrendered 1 Pressure.

 

Dawkins faced him 1v1 11 times and surrendered 1 pressure and 1 sack.

 

OOO No he had help as a rookie against an ALL PRO.  Yeah still did his job in those 20 2v1 as well.  

Ok great.  Is he better then Dawkins?  No, he absolutely is not. That's why we don't base how good a player is off 1 game.  

[MAJBobby]

Just now, soflabillsfan1 said:

Ok great.  Is he better then Dawkins?  No, he absolutely is not. That's why we don't base how good a player is off 1 game.  

 

Did I say he was???

 

Let me guess you wanted to run Dawkins out of town last year too right?  Maybe make him an OG right?

Edited November 27, 2019 by MAJBobby

[soflabillsfan1]

Just now, MAJBobby said:

 

Did I say he was???

No, but using your reasoning he would be.  

[MAJBobby]

Just now, soflabillsfan1 said:

No, but using your reasoning he would be.  

 

Nope just showing 1v1 he played as well as our LT.

 

You take that how you want.

 

I am sure you are on of the ones that wanted Glenn kicked into OG, Wanted Dawkins kicked into OG or off the team last year as well.  

[soflabillsfan1]

Just now, MAJBobby said:

 

Nope just showing 1v1 he played as well as our LT.

 

You take that how you want.

 

I am sure you are on of the ones that wanted Glenn kicked into OG, Wanted Dawkins kicked into OG or off the team last year as well.  

Now you're making stupid assumptions.  I never said any of that.  I do think Ford is a Guard and not a tackle though.  Dawkins is a superior player to Ford.  Because Dawkins gave up a sack to Miller and Ford didn't, in 1 game, is almost meaningless. Please realize that.

[MAJBobby]

Just now, soflabillsfan1 said:

Now you're making stupid assumptions.  I never said any of that.  I do think Ford is a Guard and not a tackle though.  Dawkins is a superior player to Ford.  Because Dawkins gave up a sack to Miller and Ford didn't, in 1 game, is almost meaningless. Please realize that.

 

Again just showing you in this ONE game because that is what Matters in this discussion the grading of THIS game.

 

Ford did EXACTLY the same as Dawkins 1V1 against Miller, please realize that.

 

And I also know the QB has more of an impact on the OL than the OL themselves in pass pro

Edited November 27, 2019 by MAJBobby

[soflabillsfan1]

1 minute ago, MAJBobby said:

 

Again just showing you in this ONE game because that is what Matters in this discussion the grading of THIS game.

 

Ford did EXACTLY the same as Dawkins 1V1 against Miller, please realize that.

In one game.  No one cares about one game. It's over.  It's about a season of work.