wppete Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 We need to draft a DE in the first 2 rounds and sign one of the top DEs in free agency next year. Hope Harrison Phillips comes back healthy and we sign Jordon Phillips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 Contact Comparison is Likely Malik Jackson 3yrs/30M with 17 guaranteed https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/philadelphia-eagles/malik-jackson-9958/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 1 hour ago, ILBillsfan said: He is having a great year. I love the energy he has brought since coming here as well. I think the Bills will be smart and not over pay nor should they. I they have a CB and two LB’s that I certainly would rather have than Phillips Maybe if you cut Star and toss a little of that money at him but don’t back the truck up. Brand has done a great job of finding value players since he has been here I'd sooner pay him 10 mil a year instead of Star without a doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big74Mac Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 This guy is better than Star. They need to keep him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msw2112 Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 As two others have mentioned above, Phillips might be willing to sign an extension during the season for potentially less than he might get as a UFA in the open market after the season because it's the NFL and injuries happen. He could blow out his knee next week and his career might be over. Turning away $15-$20M with a large chunk of it guaranteed in a signing bonus isn't something to take lightly. Also, after a bad start in Miami, he is flourishing in Buffalo. He might genuinely like the coaches, teammates, fans, community and want to be there. People like to be in places where they are having success. He might be able to go somewhere else and make more money, but he might not be as successful there and he might not be as comfortable and happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Contact Comparison is Likely Malik Jackson 3yrs/30M with 17 guaranteed https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/philadelphia-eagles/malik-jackson-9958/ If we're paying Star $10M/year, Jordan Phillips is worth at least that and probably more. We have the cap room to extend Jordan Phillips and we need him on the DLine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said: I'd sooner pay him 10 mil a year instead of Star without a doubt. I would too. I also would re-sign Liuget at this point as well (he looks much better now that h is completely healthy) Edited November 18, 2019 by MAJBobby 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 15 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: You can try and extend him but he would be silly to sign. The only reason would be to get a signing bonus now as insurance for an injury later this season. Just tag him. No other Bill is worthy of a franchise tag this offseason. Pay him one year. They have plenty of cap room. And it avoids a huge signing bonus. For all the let's cut Star posters, I agree he is expensive but how do you replace him? They need two edge players in free agency or draft. Replacing Star isn't the issue from a performance standpoint, IMO. The issue with cutting Star is the cap hit: $7.8M in 2020 and $5.2M in 2021. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 Just now, Happy Gilmore said: If we're paying Star $10M/year, Jordan Phillips is worth at least that and probably more. We have the cap room to extend Jordan Phillips and we need him on the DLine. Going by Comparable. Star's Contract is an massive overpay and should not be used in comparable. I am already giving Phillips a big jump as Jackson has 32 career sacks (but in his time in Jax he had 18 sacks before signing this current deal. Phillips right now has a Career of 12.5 sacks (7 of them this year). I see an 8-10AVV as the correct value for this player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 56 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Guys. If you were a 27-year old kid looking at your first (and perhaps only) shot at a massive, life-changing pay day, you wouldn't even think about re-signing before the open market comes calling. He's in the midst of a career year and is a pink elephant of sorts: guys that big aren't typically good pass rushers, so someone is going to throw all the monies at him...and his agent knows it. If he signs that deal his agent should quit. I can’t see him signing for less than 4/$50MM unless he gets injured or doesn’t do squat the rest of the season. He’s earned a bigger contract and someone will pay. Chances are he’ll get $15MM per year if he gets a few more sacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 Just now, Happy Gilmore said: Replacing Star isn't the issue from a performance standpoint, IMO. The issue with cutting Star is the cap hit: $7.8M in 2020 and $5.2M in 2021. Yeah for better or Worse I think we have Star for one more year thru 2020. then his out year kicks in that off-season. though if you can get Luiget (signed cheaper), Harrison Phillips back and maybe a year in the system for Vincent Taylor and might be enough to cover that cap hit and production cheaper 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: Yeah for better or Worse I think we have Star for one more year thru 2020. then his out year kicks in that off-season. though if you can get Luiget (signed cheaper), Harrison Phillips back and maybe a year in the system for Vincent Taylor and might be enough to cover that cap hit and production cheaper Taylor is the wildcard. If he can be an effective player in the 1-tech rush D, that would go a long way to making Star highly overpaid depth. I think McD panicked with the Star signing as he could have felt there was not an adequate 1-tech DT; McD needed one and knew Star. Just an incompetent way to acquire a player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 Incentive laden contract is the ticket here. He wanted to stay in Buffalo to "prove it" OK, he did that for sure. Now the Bills have to pay up or loose him. Congrats to him for making good on his claims he is a player to fit this D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 59 minutes ago, Bangarang said: 2 years 16mil literally shows your team that you’re full of crap. What’s the message here? Perform well and we’ll lowball you? Its a top 12 contract at the position. Not everyone in the league gets 17 million per year. I guess we will see what he gets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: Its a top 12 contract at the position. Not everyone in the league gets 17 million per year. I guess we will see what he gets. waiting to see if Spotrac does his contract Projection. I am thinking it is going to be about 9M per. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 Just now, MAJBobby said: waiting to see if Spotrac does his contract Projection. I am thinking it is going to be about 9M per. I think thats incredibly fair. Anything over 10 million dollars is an overpay. Love the guy, love him as a player. But he isn't Geno Atkins or Grady Jarrett. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 4 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: Its a top 12 contract at the position. Not everyone in the league gets 17 million per year. I guess we will see what he gets. lol what. 8 mill per year barely cracks the top 20 for DTs. Phillips is in his prime and likely wants a lucrative long term deal. Offering him 2 years at 16 mil is an absolute joke. That’s considerably less then what Star got. Do you think he’s better than Star? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 5 minutes ago, Bangarang said: lol what. 8 mill per year barely cracks the top 20 for DTs. Phillips is in his prime and likely wants a lucrative long term deal. Offering him 2 years at 16 mil is an absolute joke. That’s considerably less then what Star got. Do you think he’s better than Star? $8M would put him 19th and squarely at the bottom of the 3rd tier of DT salaries in terms of AAV (top being $20M+, 2nd being $12-$17M) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 dude is having arguably a better year than Aaron Donald. Yes, extend him ASAP. He could be the next Lorenzo Alexander find. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 1 minute ago, Bangarang said: lol what. 8 mill per year barely cracks the top 20 for DTs. Phillips is in his prime and likely wants a lucrative long term deal. Offering him 2 years at 16 mil is an absolute joke. That’s considerably less then what Star got. Do you think he’s better than Star? It's top 12 for 4-3 Defensive Tackles. When you get into 3-4 Defensive Tackle you're comparing apples to oranges. And no, I don't think he is better than Star, but I also think they play drastically different roles in this defense. Additionally, the Bills were in a totally different spot in terms of building a team when Star got his contract. And 8 million is exactly 2 million less than what Star makes, its not an astronomical difference or a joke as you call it. What you're doing is trying to say every defense tackle in every defense around the NFL has exactly the same standards to compare contracts with. 8-9 million a year is a good contract for what Jordan Phillips does here. If you think Phillips is getting something in the 12-17 million dollar range, like Atkins and Jarrett I'd say thats a joke. One of us will be correct, one of us wont. Its possible I am wrong, but I think getting your hair on fire for a 10 sack season and paying someone a huge contract isnt good management. Again you have to think in terms of Phillips being a rotational cog in a defense. Not paying top five for his position when he plays less than 50% of the snaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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