We have to remember that the ENTIRE offense was made over this offseason.

[NoSaint]

1 hour ago, njbuff said:

I am guilty of being incredibly upset at Allen for throwing that pick against Tennessee, I’ll admit.

 

The bad game against NE left a sour taste in my mouth and my patience disappeared with Allen when that pick against the Titans occurred.

 

NOW, taking a step back from the ledge...............

 

we have to remember that Allen’s WHOLE freaking offensive team was remade in ONE offseason.

 

That’s insane.

 

Point is, we all have to be patient and not overreact to every little thing due to all the newness.

 

Allen is learning to be an NFL QB and if you look around the NFL, you can see that it is hardly an easy thing

 

Given turnover in the nfl - we saw a lot of moving parts but I’m not sure it’s insane. You have to be ready to play with new teammates, systems, coaches, terminology etc... and we flipped a lot of players but also josh kept a lot of other stability in his coach, playbook etc. Continuity counts for something but I think the bigger issue is young QB growing pains.

Edited October 8, 2019 by NoSaint

[Boatdrinks]

22 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

I have a different take. It looks to me like Josh is throwing to Beasley, not Yeldon, but the DB grabs Cole around the waste keeping him from coming back to the ball. That should have been Pass Interference!

I thought about that possibility but Cole doesn’t seem to make a huge effort to get away; he might have drawn the flag if he had. Seemed like he saw Yeldon running to the area he was headed to and stopped. Can’t be sure I guess. 

[Boatdrinks]

8 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

 

Given turnover in the nfl - we saw a lot of moving parts but I’m not sure it’s insane. You have to be ready to play with new teammates, systems, coaches, terminology etc... and we flipped a lot of players but also josh kept a lot of other stability in his coach, playbook etc. Continuity counts for something but I think the bigger issue is young QB growing pains.

True, it may not be uncommon to have a lot of changes. That doesn’t mean fans can’t expect the offense to improve as the season goes on. Continuity isn’t assured in the NFL anymore, but it still takes more time for new players to get adjusted and get on the same page. There just isn’t any substitute for live reps, and the practice rules are limiting as we know. The old saying about offenses being behind the defenses early in the season is more true now than ever. While Allen has issues to work on, we are seeing some communication issues on the OL, the issues being discussed on the scramble drill et al. 

[muppy]

1 hour ago, Augie said:

 

I did talk to a couple people over the weekend who didn’t realize we had NINE (9) new starters on offense. How often do you have that kind of turnover on one side of the ball? That’s crazy stuff! I just hope and pray it starts clicking! I’m excited to get everyone healthy and see what Singletary brings to the table. 

not only did they revamp the offense but the signings they made and draft picks taken overall have been very good the obvious bright spots are the draft picks but the free agent signings even better guys like Phillips, Feliciano, Smoke Brown, Morse, Beasley, Nsheke I think Bills fans overall have good reason to be optimistic and we may well have a playoff run in our future especially if we can kick the injury bug and get and stay healthy.  If anything I thought realistically that wouldn't happen untll next year to be honest. 

[HOUSE]

I will try to get over it.

[Shaw66]

1 hour ago, GG said:

My biggest issue with this play isn't the INT, but Allen taking too long to move off his first read to the left.   He then doesn't see or doesn't want to throw to an open Beasley or Knox.   Each had a brief window for a tight throw. 

 

These are the plays he needs to master to become a legit NFL QB

That may be true, too.  

 

Now that I've seen the replay, I have to say I think it's essentially all on Josh.   One, perhaps for GG's reason.   But more importantly, the unwritten rule is that the QB has to be very careful throwing late over the middle.   This play is just another example of why that's the rule.  There's a lot of stuff going in the middle, and Josh threw it into a spot that obviously could be reached by a defender as easily as by one of his teammates.  That's a no-no throwing over the middle late.   If he wants to throw it in there, he has to throw so that only one person, his teammate, can reach the ball.   He didn't do that. 

 

Yes, it's a head scratcher that Yeldon stopped.   But maybe not.   Beasley's man drops off Beasley and starts to play Josh as a runner, leaving a big hole in the middle.   Beasley has his back turned but sees the hole eventually.   Yeldon probably saw it too, and he could have decided to stop so that he did lead his man into a position where his man could defend the throw to Beasley.   

 

Yes, maybe Beasley could have or should have done something different, too.  All that needs work.  But the Bills had the ball and only one player was responsible for where the ball went.  Josh had it in his hands.   It was a bad play by Josh.   Not as bad as I first thought, but it was a bad play.   

[BADOLBILZ]

17 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

 

Given turnover in the nfl - we saw a lot of moving parts but I’m not sure it’s insane. You have to be ready to play with new teammates, systems, coaches, terminology etc... and we flipped a lot of players but also josh kept a lot of other stability in his coach, playbook etc. Continuity counts for something but I think the bigger issue is young QB growing pains.

 

 

It's even less amazing when you consider that the new players are seasoned vets..........Brown, Beasley, Gore, Morse, Feliciano, Long...........it's not like they are trying to build a team around young players on offense.   Cody Ford is the one rookie who has played a lot and he's struggled.    The story is vets playing like vets around a young QB who.....as you said is going thru growing pains.

 

That said the reason they can't score is because they lack big time matchup winners on offense.     I've heard people lament that they are moving the ball but not scoring...........but that's what most defenses try to make you do.   

[Augie]

2 minutes ago, Margarita said:

not only did they revamp the offense but the signings they made and draft picks taken overall have been very good the obvious bright spots are the draft picks but the free agent signings even better guys like Phillips, Feliciano, Smoke Brown, Morse, Beasley, Nsheke I think Bills fans overall have good reason to be optimistic and we may well have a playoff run in our future especially if we can kick the injury bug and get and stay healthy.  If anything I thought realistically that wouldn't happen untll next year to be honest. 

 

Despite what some here will want us to believe, nobody hits on 100%.  But I sure like what they have pulled off in FA and the last couple drafts! It’s VERY encouraging. If Josh is the real deal, and I love the trend, we are looking good! We’ve been fortunate so far this season, but young teams need to learn how to win. We are doing that. 

[Mat68]

Just continue to gel and gain experience together.  The offense needs to take a practice this week and work on the scramble so everyone can get on the same page.  Deep you comback, short look for space backside cross the formation than cut it deep.  With Allen's arm they need a guy to catch a defense scrambled and go deep.  Steelers with a young Big Ben had organized madness.  Buffalos offense could get some cheap chunk plays if they have an understanding of what to do, and what's expected in those situations.  Maybe avoid the interception that took place sunday.

Edited October 8, 2019 by Mat68

[TigerJ]

2 hours ago, CaptnCoke11 said:

New players on offense isn’t the reason Allen throws the ball up for grabs 

The remaking of the offense as a whole was not the only thing addressed by the OP.  The offense in general, and Josh Allen in particular are works in progress.  If they don't get better, there will be cause for concern, but you don't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater, just because the baby peed in the bathwater.

[CincyBillsFan]

A complete overhaul of the kind the Bill's have made on offense will almost always result in growing pains.  When you add a young QB to the mix it makes it even tougher.

 

IMO the Bill's offense has done better then expected given the complete swap out in personal and the fact that we don't have a single game breaker among the skill positions.  Sure they're not lighting up the scoreboard but they are moving the football and have been surprising effective in the red zone.

 

I look for this group to improve significantly as the season goes on.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Alphadawg7]

2 hours ago, CaptnCoke11 said:

New players on offense isn’t the reason Allen throws the ball up for grabs 

 

To be fair...if WR's got open earlier and/or the OL help the pass pro better on some of those bad INT throws, maybe he doesn't have to try and make a hero throw?

[vorpma]

2 hours ago, CaptnCoke11 said:

New players on offense isn’t the reason Allen throws the ball up for grabs 

What are you, a mind reader?

[fergie's ire]

I seem to remember last summer there were some very level headed prognosticators talking about the upcoming season.  The consensus was that the offense would struggle in the first part of the season (5-8 games) while they learned to play together....but if the team could just tread water until that happened, they could have an impressive season.  Well, they have done more than tread water...and it makes me excited for the post-bye season.

[vorpma]

39 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

I will try to get over it.

Most sensible post yet; man we have drama queens who over think everything!

2 minutes ago, fergie's ire said:

I seem to remember last summer there were some very level headed prognosticators talking about the upcoming season.  The consensus was that the offense would struggle in the first part of the season (5-8 games) while they learned to play together....but if the team could just tread water until that happened, they could have an impressive season.  Well, they have done more than tread water...and it makes me excited for the post-bye season.

Another good post!

[CincyBillsFan]

2 hours ago, billsfan1959 said:

I just posted this in another thread.

 

I added the All 22 view of the interception below. I still believe he is throwing to Yeldon. When he first takes the snap he first looks to Beasley and then over to Yeldon. He then scrambles to avoid a sack, looks to Beasley again and then to Yeldon. When the ball leaves Allen's hand, the DB is almost directly behind Yeldon. If Yeldon continues running, he almost certainly would have stayed in front of the DB and be in position to make the catch.

 

I first blamed Yeldon; however, I will change my mind and put the blame on neither. As I said in another post, you have WRs trying to adjust to a QB trying to evade a sack, and a QB trying to react to the WR's adjustments. Not to mention, it involved a QB and 3 WRs who have played 5 total NFL games together. 

 

I don't think it was an ill advised pass. Allen had stopped and set up. He was interpreting the adjustment of his WR and put the ball where he thought that WR would be.

 

 

 

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After watching this I would file it under S!!T happens.  IMO this supports that:

 

*  Allen is not playing hero ball here.  He is being aggressive which IMO is a good thing.

 

*  I like how Allen scans the field working through his progressions.

 

*  Folks saying that Knox was open are seeing fools gold IMO.  #26 is ready to jump all over any throw to Knox over the middle.  At minimum Knox would have gotten blown up.

 

*  My best guess as to what happened is that Allen expected EITHER Beasley or Yeldon to run into the space where he put the ball.  If either do I think it's a completed pass for a 1st down.  The problem is that both receivers did the right thing to hold up and let the other guy move into that space.  So like I said before S!!T happens. 

 

*  Either Beasley or Yeldon should have taken off deep on a go pattern.  That way the one who took off would have cleared their cover guy out of the middle and maybe even have provided a great deep strike opportunity.  Bottom line is the scramble drill needs work.

 

 

[vorpma]

4 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

 

After watching this I would file it under S!!T happens.  IMO this supports that:

 

*  Allen is not playing hero ball here.  He is being aggressive which IMO is a good thing.

 

*  I like how Allen scans the field working through his progressions.

 

*  Folks saying that Knox was open are seeing fools gold IMO.  #26 is ready to jump all over any throw to Knox over the middle.  At minimum Knox would have gotten blown up.

 

*  My best guess as to what happened is that Allen expected EITHER Beasley or Yeldon to run into the space where he put the ball.  If either do I think it's a completed pass for a 1st down.  The problem is that both receivers did the right thing to hold up and let the other guy move into that space.  So like I said before S!!T happens. 

 

*  Either Beasley or Yeldon should have taken off deep on a go pattern.  That way the one who took off would have cleared their cover guy out of the middle and maybe even have provided a great deep strike opportunity.  Bottom line is the scramble drill needs work.

 

 

Man, you must be new to TBD; you make sense!

[Boatdrinks]

2 hours ago, CaptnCoke11 said:

New players on offense isn’t the reason Allen throws the ball up for grabs 

While Allen’s poor decisions have been a problem, he hasn’t been the only problem. 

[vorpma]

Cleveland's offense is all over it; Baker Mayfield and the TBD favorite diva - OBJ! NOT! I'm so glad we did not grab any divas in the off season; keep building a class, character, and winning organization for the long term! Many of these posters would trade five minutes of arena football with a big name diva over the patient rebuild for the long term!

[NoSaint]

45 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

To be fair...if WR's got open earlier and/or the OL help the pass pro better on some of those bad INT throws, maybe he doesn't have to try and make a hero throw?

 

To be fair, he never really HAS to make hero throws. Hes chosen to make them. He’s made some bad choices under stress. It happens. Especially when the games still moving fast for you. But outside of exceptional late game circumstances he never really has to.