VW82 Posted August 25, 2019 Posted August 25, 2019 Remember Edmunds vs Rivers last year? There are going to be growing pains with Oliver. He’s undersized and is going to get pushed around some until he figures some things out. Thankfully we have a very deep dline rotation which should be motivating for Oliver to do that sooner rather than later.
Phil The Thrill Posted August 25, 2019 Posted August 25, 2019 He really hasn’t played a ton. Maybe 4 full quarters or so and even then he’s been in on a rotation. So it’s hard to evaluate him after such a limited body of work. He should have had a sack of Brisset versus Indy and he made some very good penetrations and QB pressures. I think that overall he’s been good which is all you can ask at this point. It’s good to know he’s not getting outplayed for his spot
Don Otreply Posted August 25, 2019 Posted August 25, 2019 On 8/25/2019 at 10:38 PM, Niagara Dude said: It looks like a bust pick, rather than grab a WR or TE to help out young QB they go defensive side of the ball and reach for undersized guy. Expand Sarcasm one would hope..... Go Bills!!!
Estro Posted August 25, 2019 Posted August 25, 2019 I'm slightly concerned myself. I think he can do damage in clear passing downs, but his inability to anchor in the run game will be exposed if it doesn't get a lot better. You can expect a coach like Bill B. to run right at him until he proves he can get off a block and make a tackle in the run game. His tackling is a little sloppy too, backs have slipped out of a few of his tackles this preseason. I like DT that can generate immediate pressure up the middle, which can destroy a play.......and he can do that......but he will have to be at least avg. against the run for the staff to trust him to be out there on 3rd and mediums and 3rd and shorts. Like I said earlier, I think smart coaches are going to run right at him, until he proves otherwise. 1
akcash Posted August 25, 2019 Posted August 25, 2019 (edited) I gotta admit I was thinking the same thing. He's been handled by about 70 percent of the (pass rush) one on one's he's gone up against. I think he definitely has room to grow but he's got a long way to go. I have been happy with his stoutness in the running game. Edited August 26, 2019 by akcash
GreggTX Posted August 25, 2019 Posted August 25, 2019 On 8/25/2019 at 10:59 PM, Meatloaf63 said: It’s stupid because he’s a rookie who hasn’t played a single game where we were game planing to stop an opposition. There is no way to come to any educated conclusion. So yes, it’s stupid... Expand Coaches evaluate players in the preseason. If a coach is too "stupid" to make necessary evaluations of his rookies, he has no business being a football coach at any level. Evaluating players is both continuous and necessary. It's not like he's saying Oliver won't ever play well. The OP is saying that he's not playing well right now and that is correct. He needs more work and experience. You are correct that we shouldn't make a final determination yet, but I think "stupid" was a poor choice of words.
K-9 Posted August 25, 2019 Posted August 25, 2019 On 8/25/2019 at 10:53 PM, Green Lightning said: Agree with OP. I expected Aaron Donald immediately. Donald sacks the QB every snap, right? Expand This got me thinking about how AD did in his first three preseason games as a rookie. Well, he had a grand total of 2 tackles through three preseason games. No sacks, no TFLs. So much for the predictive properties of a rookie defensive tackles’s preseason performance.
mellaman101 Posted August 25, 2019 Posted August 25, 2019 Remember when you told me about the first time you tasted your pee? Yesterday, right? 1
Don Otreply Posted August 25, 2019 Posted August 25, 2019 On 8/25/2019 at 10:45 PM, Niagara Dude said: Not bust but a reach yes Expand But you just said he’s a bust pick, your so fickle, make up your mind already. Go Bills!!!
K-9 Posted August 25, 2019 Posted August 25, 2019 On 8/25/2019 at 11:26 PM, akcash said: I gotta admit I was thinking the same thing He's been handled by about 70 percent of the one on one's he's gone up against. I think he definitely has room to grow but he's got a long way to go. Expand How do you define “handled?”
akcash Posted August 25, 2019 Posted August 25, 2019 On 8/25/2019 at 11:30 PM, K-9 said: How do you define “handled?” Expand Being blocked without much push and having no effect on the quarterback. (I was referring to pass rush one on ones).
thebandit27 Posted August 25, 2019 Posted August 25, 2019 On 8/25/2019 at 11:27 PM, K-9 said: This got me thinking about how AD did in his first three preseason games as a rookie. Well, he had a grand total of 2 tackles through three preseason games. No sacks, no TFLs. So much for the predictive properties of a rookie defensive tackles’s preseason performance. Expand You are hereby awarded 2 points for content; 5 points for alliteration 2 1
pennstate10 Posted August 25, 2019 Posted August 25, 2019 On 8/25/2019 at 9:48 PM, Royale with Cheese said: I’ve seen him penetrate multiple times. Expand ?
The Bills Blog Posted August 25, 2019 Posted August 25, 2019 On 8/25/2019 at 10:56 PM, Nextmanup said: It's stupid? You might disagree with the premise, but why would it be "stupid?" You mean because it offers an opinion that might be detrimental to the team? It's bizarre how the haters come out in these threads and viciously attack the OP for daring to suggest something that might be detrimental to the team. There is a huge cult/follower mentality around this place. As someone who values critical, independent thinking, it's scary as hell. Expand Thank you. Keep saying things like this. You couldn't be more right. There really shouldn't be any confused/meh/laughing reactions on the OP's post.
GreggTX Posted August 25, 2019 Posted August 25, 2019 On 8/25/2019 at 11:04 PM, billsbackto81 said: Was watching the Jets last night and Q. Williams has looked beastly. I think Oliver will do just fine but the Jets picked the right DT. He is a plug and play talent in any scheme. Oliver has shown flashes and once he's really let loose he may shine. I've seen him in the backfield a few times and I've seen him whiff on some plays as well. We really need another pass rusher opposite Jerry. Murphy is underwhelming and Shaq is not a pass rusher. Expand QW is the odds on favorite for DROY at this point. That 1st Jets game will include a lot of EO/QW comparisons. I just hope he progresses quickly and that he and Edmunds become great because if their ceilings are just "average" we are in trouble. I'm still hopeful, but I havent seen either one of them truly excel yet. I'll keep my fingers crossed.
GreggTX Posted August 25, 2019 Posted August 25, 2019 On 8/25/2019 at 11:30 PM, K-9 said: How do you define “handled?” Expand Bested, outperformed, looks like a rookie, overmatched. Now if your looking for more specifics here are some areas of growth he would do well to focus on -- Size, strength and handwork. I think those are things he will need to improve. I'm sure the coaches can tell much more, but they won't criticise him in public nor should they.
Mrbojanglezs Posted August 25, 2019 Posted August 25, 2019 I don't agree but I will say he has seemed to struggle to get free on doubles. He will be dangerous on stunts though. 1
K-9 Posted August 25, 2019 Posted August 25, 2019 On 8/25/2019 at 11:33 PM, akcash said: Being blocked without much push and having no effect on the quarterback. (I was referring to pass rush one on ones). Expand I appreciate the clarification. I agree he’s been stymied on pass rush the last two games, but I’m not gonna worry until I see how he does when we start scheming our pass rush. He’s more than held his own vs. the run. Like I said earlier, by my count he’s lost leverage just twice all preseason. He’s been very good, actually. On 8/25/2019 at 11:46 PM, GreggTX said: Bested, outperformed, looks like a rookie, overmatched. Now if your looking for more specifics here are some areas of growth he would do well to focus on -- Size, strength and handwork. I think those are things he will need to improve. I'm sure the coaches can tell much more, but they won't criticise him in public nor should they. Expand He’s been stymied on the pass rush the last two games after doing well in game one. On all his run snaps, he’s lost leverage twice in the three games. Twice. In that regard, he’s been anything but “bested, outperformed, or overmatched.” Maybe we’re not watching the same games.
K-9 Posted August 26, 2019 Posted August 26, 2019 On 8/25/2019 at 11:34 PM, thebandit27 said: You are hereby awarded 2 points for content; 5 points for alliteration Expand This is the result of growing up in Buffalo watching Irv Weinstein on Eyewitness News. 1
GreggTX Posted August 26, 2019 Posted August 26, 2019 On 8/25/2019 at 11:53 PM, K-9 said: I appreciate the clarification. I agree he’s been stymied on pass rush the last two games, but I’m not gonna worry until I see how he does when we start scheming our pass rush. He’s more than held his own vs. the run. Like I said earlier, by my count he’s lost leverage just twice all preseason. He’s been very good, actually. He’s been stymied on the pass rush the last two games after doing well in game one. On all his run snaps, he’s lost leverage twice in the three games. Twice. In that regard, he’s been anything but “bested, outperformed, or overmatched.” Maybe we’re not watching the same games. Expand Not to be argumentative, but he has been so-so at best. AGAIN, this is not to say he will NEVER be any good, but that he'll need time to get up to speed.
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