Gugny Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 47 minutes ago, Chemical said: Why would they report that as a done deal though? That is what some people are still claiming happened. Being right seems very important to you. I don't know why anyone really gives a *****. This is yesterday's news and means absolutely nothing to the Buffalo Bills. And there is nothing (zilch, nada, nuttin') that says the trade was done. In fact, that doesn't even make sense to me. But again ... who really gives a *****? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Chemical said: Looks like he's back at practice. So we will see. The Steelers were pretty good while he was there. they were, but his antics this off season, against a team that brought him on to be a leader, are not doing him any favors. watch that video of when he was signed. he's already proven himself a liar and selfish beyond belief. the moment the guy has a dry spell, that city and team are going to turn on him. winning fixes everything, but it certainly doesn't seem like his priority is to winning or that team. Edited August 19, 2019 by teef Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, Chemical said: It's more likely that they weren't wrong. Why is that so hard for YOU to understand? Prove to me with concrete evidence that “most likely they weren’t wrong”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock-A-Bye Beasley Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, Gugny said: Being right seems very important to you. I don't know why anyone really gives a *****. This is yesterday's news and means absolutely nothing to the Buffalo Bills. And there is nothing (zilch, nada, nuttin') that says the trade was done. In fact, that doesn't even make sense to me. But again ... who really gives a *****? Why do YOU care? You took the time to respond to me. I'm not the one who cares. Why are you quoting me and not the people who are claiming the deal wasn't done. They posted THAT first. I'm simply correcting them, followed by a back and forth. If you really don't care it should be equally annoying to see either side's argument. It WAS reported the deal was done. It has never been refuted clearly. The Beane quote doesn't say there was no deal. 2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Prove to me with concrete evidence that “most likely they weren’t wrong”. No, you prove to me "with concrete evidence" that they were wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Chemical said: Why do YOU care? You took the time to respond to me. I'm not the one who cares. Why are you quoting me and not the people who are claiming the deal wasn't done. They posted THAT first. I'm simply correcting them, followed by a back and forth. If you really don't care it should be equally annoying to see either side's argument. It WAS reported the deal was done. It has never been refuted clearly. The Beane quote doesn't say there was no deal. You seem very upset. Either that, or there's something wrong with your shift key. I see multiple arguments with one thing in common between all of them; they're with you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock-A-Bye Beasley Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 Just now, Gugny said: You seem very upset. Either that, or there's something wrong with your shift key. I see multiple arguments with one thing in common between all of them; they're with you. wrong. You obviously agree with them. That's ok, but I question your intelligence if that's the case. Royale and shady (who brought it up in the first place) on one side and c biscuit and me on the other. Yet you chose to quote me and say i'm upset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 Just now, Chemical said: wrong. You obviously agree with them. That's ok, but I question your intelligence if that's the case. Royale and shady (who brought it up in the first place) on one side and c biscuit and me on the other. Yet you chose to quote me and say i'm upset. Well you are clearly upset. Upset about something that happened nearly a half a year ago. That worries me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock-A-Bye Beasley Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 Just now, Gugny said: Well you are clearly upset. Upset about something that happened nearly a half a year ago. That worries me. Don't worry. I'm not upset. Maybe focus on yourself or someone else that's arguing with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, Chemical said: No, you prove to me "with concrete evidence" that they were wrong. My gawd dude. You cannot keep with a conversation at all. My entire point, which I clearly stated is that it's all SPECULATION. None of us know for sure. It may or may not be true. You're the one stating that without a doubt that the report was true. That means the burden of proof is on you. How in the hell is this so hard to understand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Chemical said: Don't worry. I'm not upset. Maybe focus on yourself or someone else that's arguing with me. You should seriously consider speaking to a mod about EAP. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock-A-Bye Beasley Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 Just now, Royale with Cheese said: My gawd dude. You cannot keep with a conversation at all. My entire point, which I clearly stated is that it's all SPECULATION. None of us know for sure. It may or may not be true. You're the one stating that without a doubt that the report was true. That means the burden of proof is on you. How in the hell is this so hard to understand? The burden of proof isn't on me. That's my point. Shady stated it as a fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 5 minutes ago, Chemical said: wrong. You obviously agree with them. That's ok, but I question your intelligence if that's the case. Royale and shady (who brought it up in the first place) on one side and c biscuit and me on the other. Yet you chose to quote me and say i'm upset. 1 minute ago, Chemical said: The burden of proof isn't on me. That's my point. Shady stated it as a fact. wow.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 19 minutes ago, Formerly Allan in MD said: It's not really the helmet that the problem; it's what's in it. What goes in the Helmet for $1,000 Alex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 The Bills were interested, inquired, but didn't want to pay Brown what he was demanding, so they backed away. The Raiders offered what he wanted so he went there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said: Not sure that this proves anything different than what I said? The Bills wanted AB. They tried to swing a deal and it didn’t work out. Brown isn’t in Oakland because the Bills didn’t want him. The Bills may be real lucky that a deal didn’t come to fruition but your original claim @ShadyBillsFan that the Bills had “zero contact to bring him to our beloved team” isn’t true. Agreed, but it is also true that no deal was done - even though one (1) reporter/internet media member stated it was. Once it was reported as a done deal - several other Bills reporters immediately started to deny the trade was done and then it comes out that they (Buffalo and Pittsburgh) talked, but nothing was finalized. I think Beane would have made the deal for AB on his original deal and maybe a small amount of extra guarantee, but he was not giving up multiple picks and a huge deal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 Just because people disagree there is no need to call them ignorant and or question your intelligence I now have a new member of the Ignore club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Doc said: The Bills were interested, inquired, but didn't want to pay Brown what he was demanding, so they backed away. The Raiders offered what he wanted so he went there. Take your logic elsewhere. There's clearly no room for it in this thread. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock-A-Bye Beasley Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, Doc said: The Bills were interested, inquired, but didn't want to pay Brown what he was demanding, so they backed away. The Raiders offered what he wanted so he went there. Right because the Bills didn't really have the cap space this year or next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 Quote minutes ago, Chemical said: The burden of proof isn't on me. That's my point. Shady stated it as a fact. And I corrected the BLUNDER in my edit and fixed my mistake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, Doc said: The Bills were interested, inquired, but didn't want to pay Brown what he was demanding, so they backed away. The Raiders offered what he wanted so he went there. ^This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 6 minutes ago, Chemical said: Right because the Bills didn't really have the cap space this year or next. Are you under the misguided impression that deals are made simply because teams have the cap space to accommodate them? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock-A-Bye Beasley Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 15 minutes ago, Gugny said: You should seriously consider speaking to a mod about EAP. I respectfully ask that you leave me alone. I'm arguing on a message board with two posters about the same issue. Others are also taking my side, yet you're singling me out. 1 minute ago, K-9 said: Are you under the misguided impression that deals are made simply because teams have the cap space to accommodate them? Nope! 1 minute ago, K-9 said: Are you under the misguided impression that deals are made simply because teams have the cap space to accommodate them? ...But they don't fall apart because of money when the team trying to acquire the player has more than enough cap space. I'm glad Beane tried to get Brown. If he backed off because he didn't want to give him a two year deal in two years where we have more than enough cap space then i'm disappointed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 50 minutes ago, Chemical said: Yes, why would they report it if it wasn't agreed upon by PIT and BUF. You tell me. If it was agreed to and finalized - why is AB not in Buffalo. AB did not have a no trade clause. He was under contract. If it was a done deal - AB had no say in stopping it. Therefore the logical conclusion is that someone outside the Bills leaked it was a done deal - Why? Well you could see Pittsburgh doing it to try and force others to up their bid, but the end they got a lousy 3rd and 5th - so that didn’t work. The next most logical leak would be ABs agent to try and ensure the Bills did not get him. What we know is that 1 source broke the story alone and it was not NFL.com. One source said it was a done deal. Several other sources said no nothing was done and nothing was imminent. Later that evening several other sites - like NFL.com - quoting the initial source were reporting a deal was done, but obviously nothing was confirmed because there was no deal. It does not change the fact that the Bills pushed for AB, but in the internet age where being 1st is more important than being right - you get these false reports from time to time. It is the same way people like ICB throw crap at the wall and suddenly we have rumors of Clowney to Buffalo being reported by all types of media as a possibility. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, Chemical said: I respectfully ask that you leave me alone. I'm arguing on a message board with two posters about the same issue. Others are also taking my side, yet you're singling me out. Nope! I was simply showing concern. C.Biscuit and I argue all the time. I didn't feel like arguing with him about this. The bottom line is that you have no idea if the deal was done. Conversely, no one has any idea that it WASN'T done, either. My opinion is that it came down to money/terms and Beane is the one who pulled out. I wouldn't be surprised if Brown didn't want to play in Buffalo and Rosenhaus purposely asked for too much to kill it. But we'll likely never know. And I certainly will never give a *****. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philo Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 This seems fitting after catching up on this thread... (Actually it probably works for a lot of threads here) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 Look at the size of deez nuts.... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 33 minutes ago, Chemical said: Why do YOU care? You took the time to respond to me. I'm not the one who cares. Why are you quoting me and not the people who are claiming the deal wasn't done. They posted THAT first. I'm simply correcting them, followed by a back and forth. If you really don't care it should be equally annoying to see either side's argument. It WAS reported the deal was done. It has never been refuted clearly. The Beane quote doesn't say there was no deal. No, you prove to me "with concrete evidence" that they were wrong. This part is easy - what team is he on. Concrete evidence that the Bills and Steelers did not have a finalized deal in place. Simple. Now please prove to me that somehow they did have a finalized deal in place - one approved by the NFL offices - making it official - and yet somehow AB is playing for the Raiders on a deal approved a week later. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock-A-Bye Beasley Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 Just now, Rochesterfan said: This part is easy - what team is he on. Concrete evidence that the Bills and Steelers did not have a finalized deal in place. Simple. Now please prove to me that somehow they did have a finalized deal in place - one approved by the NFL offices - making it official - and yet somehow AB is playing for the Raiders on a deal approved a week later. I never said finalized. You added that part in your previous post. You're now arguing against yourself, congrats! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 5 minutes ago, Philo Beddoe said: This seems fitting after catching up on this thread... (Actually it probably works for a lot of threads here) Yes, this is perfect. 3 minutes ago, Chemical said: I never said finalized. You added that part in your previous post. You're now arguing against yourself, congrats! I dont want to go back and read this whole discussion. Can you fill me in on what you are wrong about so I can chime in? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, Chemical said: I never said finalized. You added that part in your previous post. You're now arguing against yourself, congrats! Do you know what the definition of a synonym is? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Chemical said: I never said finalized. You added that part in your previous post. You're now arguing against yourself, congrats! So was a deal done or not - you stated a deal was done - when is a deal done - when it is finalized. If you want to say they had an agreement that fell through - that is very different. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock-A-Bye Beasley Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, fansince88 said: Yes, this is perfect. I dont want to go back and read this whole discussion. Can you fill me in on what you are wrong about so I can chime in? blocked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, Chemical said: blocked Blocked back. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock-A-Bye Beasley Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 Just now, Rochesterfan said: So was a deal done or not - you stated a deal was done - when is a deal done - when it is finalized. If you want to say they had an agreement that fell through - that is very different. No one knows! I just hope Beane didn't back out because he thought we couldn't afford to pay the best WR in the league in the two years they have the most cap space in team history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 Just now, Chemical said: No one knows! I just hope Beane didn't back out because he thought we couldn't afford to pay the best WR in the league in the two years they have the most cap space in team history. One guy reported it and some other reported him reporting it but then it turned out to be crap and he got so much ***** for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 Just now, Chemical said: No one knows! I just hope Beane didn't back out because he thought we couldn't afford to pay the best WR in the league in the two years they have the most cap space in team history. Well, you know...or you said you knew until several others have pointed out your contradictory statement. Just give up dude. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Chemical said: No one knows! I just hope Beane didn't back out because he thought we couldn't afford to pay the best WR in the league in the two years they have the most cap space in team history. Apparently you know. You said it was "a done deal." Done deal = finalized. You're not backpedaling, are you? Edited August 19, 2019 by Gugny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 Just now, Gugny said: Apparently you know. You said it was "a done deal." Done deal = finalized. You're not backpedaling, are you? Kevin Bacon wasn't in Foot Loose. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 6 minutes ago, Chemical said: No one knows! I just hope Beane didn't back out because he thought we couldn't afford to pay the best WR in the league in the two years they have the most cap space in team history. We all know that it was not a done deal or AB would be our headache - not the Raiders. We do not know what AB wanted or what Buffalo was willing to give to Pittsburgh or to AB, but as I stated earlier - AB was under contract and did not have a no trade clause. If the Bills wanted to make the trade - it was there and they would not have needed to give AB any additional money as he still had 3 years on his contract. Now that would have been stupid as it was known AB wanted more money, but that was not a required part of the trade - it would have been smart to know what he wanted before a deal was done though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock-A-Bye Beasley Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, Gugny said: Apparently you know. You said it was "a done deal." Done deal = finalized. You're not backpedaling, are you? Oh you think I thought it was finalized with the league? That would be crazy. I don't know at what point it fell through but it seems like the two teams were done negotiating and had a deal in place at the very least. After that it gets hazy, but if Beane backed out because he didn't want to sign AB to the deal he got from the Raiders I'm very disappointed. What I think is more likely is Brown expressed his displeasure with having to go to Buffalo and that's when Beane backed away from the deal. I hope so at least. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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