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5 minutes ago, purple haze said:

Context is everything.  Those might be great numbers depending on the offense and how the ball is spread around.  100 catches and 1500 yards are great numbers, but no guarantee they will lead to a team winning a chip.   Who is the Pats 1500 yard, 100 catch receiver?  

 

What im saying is that there are many ways to win, and one way does not fit all.  Too many seem concerned with stats.  Be concerned with wins.  F the rest.

I think there seems to be an affliction in the offseason to start relying on stats, and game logs without applying any context whatsoever (not saying White Linen was doing this). There's just not enough to watch in the offseason, and a lot of context is lost in video recaps-- even more so in highlights. This is the time of year for meaningless predictions with little to no substantiation. Straw man arguments abound! Hard to have an honest debate this time of year. It's only going to get worse over the next month until TC, when we will have more specific things to debate.

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22 hours ago, BillsfaninSB said:

 

My feeling is that the ball is spread around to all the receivers/TEs/RBs and that we have a diversified attack.   70/800 is good if everyone is getting touches. 

 

Edelman was 74/850 for example.  That is not sad. 

You do know Edelman only played 12 games. Right?

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22 hours ago, White Linen said:

 

Touchdowns are good but it's sad that we think 70/800 is good enough.  

It is if he is our number 4 reciever😎

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23 hours ago, formerlyofCtown said:

I hope people paid close attention to the statement about 3rd year WRs.  I have been saying this for some time now.

 

Except that myth is both historical and statically false and has been disproved many times over the last 20 years since its origination from fantasy football.  

 

A WR can certainly breakout in year 3, and plenty have and will continue to.  But what is false is the statement that it is more likely in year 3 over any other year.  Odds are higher in either year 1 or 2 than year 3.

 

And glad Zay put the work in the gym.  But now I just want to see it translate to better play on the field and a lot more consistency.  Hope it does, be great if he can take a big step forward and become a reliable weapon for Josh.  

 

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24 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Except that myth is both historical and statically false and has been disproved many times over the last 20 years since its origination from fantasy football.  

 

A WR can certainly breakout in year 3, and plenty have and will continue to.  But what is false is the statement that it is more likely in year 3 over any other year.  Odds are higher in either year 1 or 2 than year 3.

 

And glad Zay put the work in the gym.  But now I just want to see it translate to better play on the field and a lot more consistency.  Hope it does, be great if he can take a big step forward and become a reliable weapon for Josh.  

 

Wrong answer brother Ive researched it.  It is accurate and factual.  It's ok to admit you were wrong dude.  Because you are and Zay will definitely be on the Roster.  BTW it has been around longer than fantasy football as have I.

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1 hour ago, Rocky Landing said:

Sure it is.

If you are just going to rely on stats, then you're ignoring Real McCoy's point that Juju had a future HOF QB throwing him the ball and Antonio Brown on the other side of the field drawing the stronger coverage. That's not an irrelevant point. And, in fact, their drop rates are both average. Jones had 3 drops out of 102 targets and 56 receptions. Juju had 6 drops out of 166 targets, and 111 receptions. But, even those numbers, without the context of who they were playing with, are a meaningless comparison.

If you want to rely on the googled highlight reel, well then you're just being silly. Jones has one of those, too, and it makes him look pretty good. I actually just watched both, just to see what I'd see, and I was struck by how often the Bills pass plays are broken up in under two seconds, and Allen had to flee the pocket. You can't say that also didn't have an effect on how many catchable balls Allen threw.

 

Sounds good.     You could just watch all the Steelers and Bills games like I have done.  

 

You win the JFH trophy for the day.    

 

Stop bringing up silly highlight reels.   Juju is a killer, Zay is a guy who might start.  

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6 hours ago, McBean said:

I thought Zay was already cut?

No, but now he's chiseled.

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23 hours ago, White Linen said:

 

Touchdowns are good but it's sad that we think 70/800 is good enough.  

It is if the three other receivers put up the same numbers:thumbsup:

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9 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

Sounds good.     You could just watch all the Steelers and Bills games like I have done.  

 

You win the JFH trophy for the day.    

 

Stop bringing up silly highlight reels.   Juju is a killer, Zay is a guy who might start.  

Don't know what a JFH trophy is.

You brought up the highlight reels.

Kinda doubt Zay will start.

Wish my autocorrect would stop changing "Zay" into "Say."

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Just now, Rocky Landing said:

Don't know what a JFH trophy is.

You brought up the highlight reels.

Kinda doubt Zay will start.

Wish my autocorrect would stop changing "Zay" into "Say."

 

It’s a poster here that will argue whatever pro Bills angle there is no matter what. 

 

Hoping theres some validity to the rothlisberger/OL points and Zay can show us more this year 👍🏼

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2 hours ago, Clyde Smith said:

It is if the three other receivers put up the same numbers:thumbsup:

 

And if Kroft did too.  Oh my - then we'd really be singing Zay's praises. 

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3 hours ago, formerlyofCtown said:

Wrong answer brother Ive researched it.  It is accurate and factual.  It's ok to admit you were wrong dude.  Because you are and Zay will definitely be on the Roster.  BTW it has been around longer than fantasy football as have I.

 

It’s not, but that’s ok.  All good

 

And I’m not right or wrong on Zay yet, I said I thought he could be traded in preseason.  And I will be happy to admit my prediction was wrong if it ultimately is and hope he will have a big season in that case.  You people are more into the whole right/wrong scenario, I just want the best team on the field and can care less about it being “right or wrong”.  If I was able to see the future I would be playing the lotto not fiddling around on a message board lol.

 

Nothing personal against Zay, just entered offseason skeptical after not liking what I saw on the field.  And hope he proves that skepticism wrong and becomes a great player.  Although, I want to see it before I will believe it.  

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18 hours ago, formerlyofCtown said:

Wrong answer brother Ive researched it.  It is accurate and factual.  It's ok to admit you were wrong dude.  Because you are and Zay will definitely be on the Roster.  BTW it has been around longer than fantasy football as have I.

Its easy enough to link research material. Show how you came to this conclusion. I think its safe to say generally speaking a WR is going to show development/improvement from one season to the next provided you have some continuity at QB, OC, and supporting cast. So it doesn't surprise me If season 3's production is higher then an athletes rookie or 2nd season. On the other hand the game may have slowed down season 2 and the increase in production between rookie and 2nd season might be considered breakout IMO. Despite season 3 production being higher then season 2. 

 

I'm not disagreeing with you or Alpha...

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3 hours ago, Figster said:

Its easy enough to link research material. Show how you came to this conclusion. I think its safe to say generally speaking a WR is going to show development/improvement from one season to the next provided you have some continuity at QB, OC, and supporting cast. So it doesn't surprise me If season 3's production is higher then an athletes rookie or 2nd season. On the other hand the game may have slowed down season 2 and the increase in production between rookie and 2nd season might be considered breakout IMO. Despite season 3 production being higher then season 2. 

 

I'm not disagreeing with you or Alpha...

I used to do all that.  People still went on about stuff Ive proved or disproved.  You got a computer do it yourself.

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On 6/14/2019 at 6:31 PM, White Linen said:

 

Touchdowns are good but it's sad that we think 70/800 is good enough.  

 

We might have a few with this line.👍

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5 hours ago, formerlyofCtown said:

I used to do all that.  People still went on about stuff Ive proved or disproved.  You got a computer do it yourself.

I understand, some folks are beyond convincing.

 

 High draft picks are developed and pressed into action at a faster pace more now then they where 10 years ago IMO. Make plays or the next guy will. Taking 3 seasons for the light switch to turn on might get you traded in this day and age in my humble opinion.  

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18 minutes ago, Figster said:

I understand, some folks are beyond convincing.

 

 High draft picks are developed and pressed into action at a faster pace more now then they where 10 years ago IMO. Make plays or the next guy will. Taking 3 seasons for the light switch to turn on might get you traded in this day and age in my humble opinion.  

Rookie deals are 4 years.

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6 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said:

Rookie deals are 4 years.

Good point, 

 

Thanks 

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