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3 hours ago, Tiberius said:

Everyone can't be a lazy bum sitting around complaining about the government 

 

You're right, not everyone is a liberal. Thank God for that.

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I am pleased to inform you that The United States of America has reached a signed agreement with Mexico. The Tariffs scheduled to be implemented by the U.S. on Monday, against Mexico, are hereby indefinitely suspended. Mexico, in turn, has agreed to take strong measures to....

 

....stem the tide of Migration through Mexico, and to our Southern Border. This is being done to greatly reduce, or eliminate, Illegal Immigration coming from Mexico and into the United States. Details of the agreement will be released shortly by the State Department. Thank you!

 
 
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55 minutes ago, Chris farley said:
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I am pleased to inform you that The United States of America has reached a signed agreement with Mexico. The Tariffs scheduled to be implemented by the U.S. on Monday, against Mexico, are hereby indefinitely suspended. Mexico, in turn, has agreed to take strong measures to....

 

....stem the tide of Migration through Mexico, and to our Southern Border. This is being done to greatly reduce, or eliminate, Illegal Immigration coming from Mexico and into the United States. Details of the agreement will be released shortly by the State Department. Thank you!

 
 

 

Oh boy if this deal sticks and is effective, the left will melt down. 

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15 minutes ago, keepthefaith said:

 

Oh boy if this deal sticks and is effective, the left will melt down. 

 

Naw...............they already got a good two weeks of condemning him........(for something that never took effect :w00t:)

 

ON TO THE NEXT SQUIRREL ! 

 

 

 

 

DEVELOPING: Trump announces tariff-avoiding deal with Mexico.

Pop the tequila and pass the guacamole — the US has struck a trade deal with Mexico that will avert tariffs on imports.

 

“I am pleased to inform you that The United States of America has reached a signed agreement with Mexico,” President Trump tweeted Friday night.

 

“The Tariffs scheduled to be implemented by the U.S. on Monday, against Mexico, are hereby indefinitely suspended,” he added.

 

“Mexico, in turn, has agreed to take strong measures to stem the tide of Migration through Mexico, and to our Southern Border,” he said.

 

 

Related: Mexico Capitulates to Trump’s Tariff Threat, Deploys 6,000 Troops to Guatemalan Border to Curb Migration.

 

 

 

 

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9 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

Naw...............they already got a good two weeks of condemning him........(for something that never took effect :w00t:)

 

They've already started their new narrative. Look at the twitter comments under Trump's announcement, it's full of liberals suddenly being on the same page claiming that Trump "created" a crisis, so that he could "solve" the crisis.

 

If this holds up, it will be even funnier than the "coverup by releasing information" nonsense they tried last week.

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8 hours ago, Chris farley said:
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I am pleased to inform you that The United States of America has reached a signed agreement with Mexico. The Tariffs scheduled to be implemented by the U.S. on Monday, against Mexico, are hereby indefinitely suspended. Mexico, in turn, has agreed to take strong measures to....

 

....stem the tide of Migration through Mexico, and to our Southern Border. This is being done to greatly reduce, or eliminate, Illegal Immigration coming from Mexico and into the United States. Details of the agreement will be released shortly by the State Department. Thank you!

 
 

whelp.... i guess that answers the OP.  close 'er down Scotty.

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So, in the last analysis, the stick is more effective than the carrot.  Trump is about as subtle as a semi truck, but there are those times when his approach yields quick results.  Now the concern is monitoring the agreement's implementation.

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16 hours ago, Foxx said:
  16 hours ago, Tiberius said:

... And what about the work they did? How much did it help the economy to have them here producing goods and services? That's part of the equation, too. Everyone can't be a lazy bum sitting around complaining about the government 

 

Or submitting comments for our edification that are as flat as a pancake over the pseudonym of a Roman Emperor.

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6 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

I would love to hear what the OP has to say about the recent developments.  What say you @Tiberius ?  Sure it's likely too early to tell I'm just wanting to hear your spin spin spin on how these tariffs have played out so far. 

  He has not heard from his handlers yet so no response.  

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6 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

I would love to hear what the OP has to say about the recent developments.  What say you @Tiberius ?  Sure it's likely too early to tell I'm just wanting to hear your spin spin spin on how these tariffs have played out so far. 

As the OP I say so far, so good. On another note, I'll be having words with you on the confusion, Big McDouche.

1 minute ago, RochesterRob said:

  He has not heard from his handlers yet so no response.  

mlm

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Obviously time will tell if this is effective, but damn it’s nice to finally act like the big dog at the table that we are.

 

This is even sweeter after the Mexicans president’s comment about trumps boarder philosophy being immoral. F that guy.

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1 minute ago, RochesterRob said:

  Just to be clear I was talking about Tibs. Sorry for any confusion.

Chef Jim (aka BigMcDouche) deserves theshit for the initial confusion. I gave you the finger because you blindly went along with him. mlm, again.

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you think this is anything but light banter you are wrong. In addition, don't ever apologize here again.

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Just now, Chef Jim said:

 

Now why did I think Tibs started this?  Sorry. 

I'll tell you why you thought HAHA Gator started this. He is always on the wrong side of things. I think the last time he was right was when he chose "tails" on the coin flip for the consolation game in his pee wee league. He still picked defense first and gave "Little Al Bundy" the wind. The rest is history.

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37 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

Waiting on GG to praise Trump for getting Mexico to play ball.

 

No?

 

:lol:

 


What are you talking about? Mexico played Trump!!!! They promised they'd do this already, dontchya know??? Trump got nuthin'!! Oh, and #OrangeManBad

How'd I do? ?

All I know is every article about Mexico, illegals, the Trump Administration's negotiations with Mexico, etc are off my newsfeed at the moment, so he musta done somethin' right. If it really had been a loss for President Trump my newsfeed would be filled with articles on how stupid he, and his administration, are and that they ***** up yet again.  And speaking of which... I cannot believe the amount of people who still think President Trump - a businessman who has lived to negotiate these past 50 years - it a dope. Simply baffling to me. 

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18 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said:

Waiting on GG to praise Trump for getting Mexico to play ball.

 

No?

 

:lol:

 

 

17 hours ago, Buffalo_Gal said:


What are you talking about? Mexico played Trump!!!! They promised they'd do this already, dontchya know??? Trump got nuthin'!! Oh, and #OrangeManBad

How'd I do? ?

All I know is every article about Mexico, illegals, the Trump Administration's negotiations with Mexico, etc are off my newsfeed at the moment, so he musta done somethin' right. If it really had been a loss for President Trump my newsfeed would be filled with articles on how stupid he, and his administration, are and that they ***** up yet again.  And speaking of which... I cannot believe the amount of people who still think President Trump - a businessman who has lived to negotiate these past 50 years - it a dope. Simply baffling to me. 

 

Then you should have no problem providing a list of the exact items that Mexico caved in to that weren't part of the prior agreements.

 

While you're looking for that, think of the longer term implications of the President boy who cried wolf and got AMLO to deploy 6,000 federales to his southern border.  Did he get the agriculture win that he crowed about?  Did AMLO agree to the real concession of categorizing Mexico as a "safe third country?"   What do you think will happen when he plays the tariff card next, especially after USMCTA is ratified?   

 

What do you think realistically happened in the last week - Mexico fully caved to Trump's demands, or Trump's inner circle (family) sat him down and explained to him again that using tariffs as a bludgeon was a really bad idea because he wasn't going to get what he really wanted and he faced a GOP revolt?   If there were truly big gaps in the negotiating positions and the USA's only option was to threaten tariffs, then it's nearly impossible that gulf would be bridged in less that a week.   More likely is that the two sides agreed to a PR compromise that gave Trump a semblance of public victory, but didn't change matters much.  

 

 

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29 minutes ago, GG said:

 

Why did Trump ignore the scathing editorials from WSJ in his tweet?

 

Why wouldn't he?

 

 

54 minutes ago, GG said:

faced a GOP revolt

 

 

The more important question is: why would he have faced a GOP revolt, unless it TOO is a corrupt entity supporting business owners who wish to continue to break immigration law while supporting further amnesties that are NOT in the best interest of the American people?

 

 

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6 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

Why wouldn't he?

 

 

 

The more important question is: why would he have faced a GOP revolt, unless it TOO is a corrupt entity supporting business owners who wish to continue to break immigration law while supporting further amnesties that are NOT in the best interest of the American people?

 

 

 

There's a polar opposite to TDS, which is thinking that everything that Trump does is wonderful.

 

You have to stop and ask why are NYT and WSJ op-eds aligned on a topic?  Using tariffs as the bludgeoning tool in this spat will make that tool far less effective if that's the only thing that he can revert to.  The call for tariffs was not a carefully deliberated strategy.  It was the latest off the cuff tactic that countered his inner circle.  Businesses and countries will adapt to this tactic, and it will be a lot easier to call his bluff next time and will make the job much tougher for his trade team to negotiate the next trade deals.  

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1 minute ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

Eh,  call me a cynic, but the WSJ isn't exactly on the opposite end of the spectrum from the NYT on most issues.

 

 

The WSJ editorial page?  

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36 minutes ago, GG said:

 

There's a polar opposite to TDS, which is thinking that everything that Trump does is wonderful.

 

You have to stop and ask why are NYT and WSJ op-eds aligned on a topic?  Using tariffs as the bludgeoning tool in this spat will make that tool far less effective if that's the only thing that he can revert to.  The call for tariffs was not a carefully deliberated strategy.  It was the latest off the cuff tactic that countered his inner circle.  Businesses and countries will adapt to this tactic, and it will be a lot easier to call his bluff next time and will make the job much tougher for his trade team to negotiate the next trade deals.  


1) I do not think everything President Trump does is "wonderful". I will say the the Democrats and MSM (BIRM) have done the impossible - turned a billionaire into an underdog to the average American, and if there is one thing the average American loves, it is to cheer for the underdog.

2) It is very difficult to argue with someone who does not think that President Trump plans, nor does his administration. It is so far from reality, that only the most - well, I don't want to insult anyone, so let's just say that people spouting the "seat of his pants" nonsense are disconnected from reality.  President Trump has always been a planner.  Ever put together a real estate deal? Those do not happen because someone decided that today they'd put together parcel A, B, C, and D and then deal with the red tape, environmental clean-ups, and regulatory bull####.  To say he stopped planning when he became president is ridiculous. 

3) He has two cards to play: sanctions and tariffs.  Contact your local Congress Critter to vote for a wall and illegal alien reform (dump them back on their mother-country) if you would like to end the border crisis once and for all. 

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20 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:


1) I do not think everything President Trump does is "wonderful". I will say the the Democrats and MSM (BIRM) have done the impossible - turned a billionaire into an underdog to the average American, and if there is one thing the average American loves, it is to cheer for the underdog.

2) It is very difficult to argue with someone who does not think that President Trump plans, nor does his administration. It is so far from reality, that only the most - well, I don't want to insult anyone, so let's just say that people spouting the "seat of his pants" nonsense are disconnected from reality.  President Trump has always been a planner.  Ever put together a real estate deal? Those do not happen because someone decided that today they'd put together parcel A, B, C, and D and then deal with the red tape, environmental clean-ups, and regulatory bull####.  To say he stopped planning when he became president is ridiculous. 

3) He has two cards to play: sanctions and tariffs.  Contact your local Congress Critter to vote for a wall and illegal alien reform (dump them back on their mother-country) if you would like to end the border crisis once and for all. 

 

Which Donald Trump is that, the one who lost the majority of his real estate and casino empire and managed to get fired from a public company that bore his name?  That brilliant strategist?

 

This is the Donald Trump that everyone who's known him for 4 decades is afraid of.    The Donald has always played one card, the doomsday card.  Eventually, his counterparts call his bluff and always when he's resorted to that, he lost bigly.   

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1 hour ago, Buffalo_Gal said:


1) I do not think everything President Trump does is "wonderful". I will say the the Democrats and MSM (BIRM) have done the impossible - turned a billionaire into an underdog to the average American, and if there is one thing the average American loves, it is to cheer for the underdog.

2) It is very difficult to argue with someone who does not think that President Trump plans, nor does his administration. It is so far from reality, that only the most - well, I don't want to insult anyone, so let's just say that people spouting the "seat of his pants" nonsense are disconnected from reality.  President Trump has always been a planner.  Ever put together a real estate deal? Those do not happen because someone decided that today they'd put together parcel A, B, C, and D and then deal with the red tape, environmental clean-ups, and regulatory bull####.  To say he stopped planning when he became president is ridiculous. 

3) He has two cards to play: sanctions and tariffs.  Contact your local Congress Critter to vote for a wall and illegal alien reform (dump them back on their mother-country) if you would like to end the border crisis once and for all. 

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43 minutes ago, GG said:

 

Which Donald Trump is that, the one who lost the majority of his real estate and casino empire and managed to get fired from a public company that bore his name?  That brilliant strategist?

 

This is the Donald Trump that everyone who's known him for 4 decades is afraid of.    The Donald has always played one card, the doomsday card.  Eventually, his counterparts call his bluff and always when he's resorted to that, he lost bigly.   

What's the difference between 500 and 6000? Isn't there also a difference between acting on an agreement and not acting on an agreement? The dems have made every attempt possible to thwart Trump's pledge to secure the border. It's personal with them and they are putting their petty ***** desire to "get" Trump ahead of any duty to our country. Trump is doing whatever he can to fulfill his sworn duty. We had 144,000 illegal aliens sneak across our border in May and you want him to imitate Nero.

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11 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

What's the difference between 500 and 6000? Isn't there also a difference between acting on an agreement and not acting on an agreement? The dems have made every attempt possible to thwart Trump's pledge to secure the border. It's personal with them and they are putting their petty ***** desire to "get" Trump ahead of any duty to our country. Trump is doing whatever he can to fulfill his sworn duty. We had 144,000 illegal aliens sneak across our border in May and you want him to imitate Nero.

They didn't sneak anywhere, they are not illegal and they are not a threat. Educate yourself before you spew nonsense 

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2 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

They didn't sneak anywhere, they are not illegal and they are not a threat. Educate yourself before you spew nonsense 

I guess I could have worded that a little differently. Many of the illegal aliens brazenly crossed the border too.

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