3rdand12 Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 17 hours ago, MJS said: Viscous? Not sure if I can get behind that. Reminds me of molasses. associated with fluid density. so you are correct. but with all no OP meant vicious. brutal, relentless effort, to be feared 7 hours ago, FLFan said: Obviously, he does not know as much as message board posters. McD would like all the players to be able to play MLB mentally. No reason not to take better advantage of Edmunds outside. if they can find someone equal or better who can play the A B gaps well. Edmunds has that sneaky speed to cover yard quickly. but he might play better read and react than hit the right hole. and a stack and shed type of role Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComradeKayAdams Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 7 hours ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: He'd be a great player, but its a waste of a pick. We already have 2 starting LBs, and the Bills (and the NFL) only play 2 linebackers at a time. There is just no need to draft a 3rd that high up. I'm guessing that Milano, Edmunds, and White would likely all stay on the field for any nickel or big nickel packages. Lotulelei would be the guy switched out for a third cornerback or safety. Edmunds would be the fourth pass rusher and could even be positioned right up to the line of scrimmage as a DE. This is basically what Lorenzo Alexander does, so Edmunds would be considered his successor if the Bills drafted White. But the bottom line is that Devin White is a blue-chip prospect and the best player in this draft who doesn't play DL. He won't be available at #9, but Beane is not a dummy and will select him if he does manage to drop that far. White should be #4 on Buffalo's big board, right behind Nick Bosa, Josh Allen, and Quinnen Williams. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 29 minutes ago, MichaelAbdallah said: I'm guessing that Milano, Edmunds, and White would likely all stay on the field for any nickel or big nickel packages. Lotulelei would be the guy switched out for a third cornerback or safety. Edmunds would be the fourth pass rusher and could even be positioned right up to the line of scrimmage as a DE. This is basically what Lorenzo Alexander does, so Edmunds would be considered his successor if the Bills drafted White. But the bottom line is that Devin White is a blue-chip prospect and the best player in this draft who doesn't play DL. He won't be available at #9, but Beane is not a dummy and will select him if he does manage to drop that far. White should be #4 on Buffalo's big board, right behind Nick Bosa, Josh Allen, and Quinnen Williams. Why do people think he would be a good pass rusher? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComradeKayAdams Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 50 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: Why do people think he would be a good pass rusher? Because these people paid attention to his body of work at VTech and to his unique athletic skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 1 minute ago, MichaelAbdallah said: Because these people paid attention to his body of work at VTech and to his unique athletic skills. That is an aggressively condescending response to me asking a simple question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 21 hours ago, R Y G A R said: Here is a pretty good rundown of White in this video. I didn't realize he's was recruited as a RB. I also didn't realize he's that raw of a prospect. Undeniable talent though, I'd be good with him at 9. Who did that review? That was a pretty impressive break down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bookie Man Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 31 minutes ago, buffaloboyinATL said: Who did that review? That was a pretty impressive break down. Brett Kollmann. His videos are awesome. It's easy to get sucked in and watch like an hour or 2 worth of his stuff. Proceed with caution. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 22 hours ago, R Y G A R said: Here is a pretty good rundown of White in this video. I didn't realize he's was recruited as a RB. I also didn't realize he's that raw of a prospect. Undeniable talent though, I'd be good with him at 9. Super intriguing, but I think he'd be a bad fit for us. I think he needs the luxury of learning behind great linebackers and with great coaches as a situational player for a couple years. We already drafted a raw LB prospect last year, and he isn't exactly knocking it out of the park yet. I think it would be critical to know what his character and film room habits are like in addition to overall intelligence. It seems he's got a long way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocCityRoller Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 no mock I have participated in allows White to go past 5-6. If he is there at #9 get him IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakeBuffaloGreatAgain Posted March 20, 2019 Author Share Posted March 20, 2019 3 hours ago, MichaelAbdallah said: I'm guessing that Milano, Edmunds, and White would likely all stay on the field for any nickel or big nickel packages. Lotulelei would be the guy switched out for a third cornerback or safety. Edmunds would be the fourth pass rusher and could even be positioned right up to the line of scrimmage as a DE. This is basically what Lorenzo Alexander does, so Edmunds would be considered his successor if the Bills drafted White. But the bottom line is that Devin White is a blue-chip prospect and the best player in this draft who doesn't play DL. He won't be available at #9, but Beane is not a dummy and will select him if he does manage to drop that far. White should be #4 on Buffalo's big board, right behind Nick Bosa, Josh Allen, and Quinnen Williams. Couldn’t say it better myself... perfect. 2 hours ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: That is an aggressively condescending response to me asking a simple question. Not really. It’s straight forward, but not aggressively condescending... unless we are talking about snow flake micro-aggressions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haplo848 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 So the people saying that the Bills and the NFL have been moving to two LBs in a nickel formation, and so we don't need a third really good LB seem to be missing something. The reason for the change towards nickel is that more athletic people who are able to cover are needed in order to stop pass heavy teams that regularly go in 3 WR sets. But here's the thing: the Bills run a lot of zone defense. And if you have three very athletic LBs that do really well in coverage, then you don't NEED to play nickel. You can stay in your base 4-3 even when teams go to 3 WR sets. Then you have the flexibility to still be able to defend the pass, but also are better able to defend against the run than if you had taken a LB off the field. So if we had Edmunds, White, and Milano, we wouldn't NEED to take any of those three off the field for nickel situations. There's not a whole lot of reason to ever take any of those three off the field in that case. If White somehow miraculously lasts until us in the draft, we should absolutely run to the podium to draft him, put his locket next to the Lorax's, have him attached to the hip to the Lorax through training camp and practice, learning everything he can from him, and use the Lorax in more pass rush situations, instead of needing him to come in and play in coverage like he occasionally had to do last year. It would result in a phenomenal defense that was able to fly all over the field, stuff the run, that would inspire fear in offenses for a decade or more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haplo848 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 I just had another thought. What about dime formations, for when there are 4 WRs on the field? At least in 3rd and long situations, I can easily imagine having Lorenzo Alexander and Lawson as DTs, Hughes and Edmunds as DEs, Milano and White as LBs, and three CBs on the field. That's scary enough in a "get after the passer" way, but considering that the offense would never know who's ACTUALLY rushing, as pretty much all of those LBs can rush and the D-linemen can drop into coverage, the front six is virtually interchangeable, and you can create a pass rush from anywhere. And that doesn't even consider blitzes. That would be a scary defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 6 hours ago, MakeBuffaloGreatAgain said: Couldn’t say it better myself... perfect. Not really. It’s straight forward, but not aggressively condescending... unless we are talking about snow flake micro-aggressions. Im guessing you don’t know what the word “condescending” means based on your response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakeBuffaloGreatAgain Posted March 20, 2019 Author Share Posted March 20, 2019 55 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: Im guessing you don’t know what the word “condescending” means based on your response. See, now that is more on the condescending side. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 8 minutes ago, MakeBuffaloGreatAgain said: See, now that is more on the condescending side. So you do get it-it’s a question of tone. It is an appropriate response to an insult. Not so much as a response to a question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 On 3/19/2019 at 1:50 AM, MakeBuffaloGreatAgain said: I loved the Edmunds pick, but I think anyone with a hint understanding of what it takes to man the middle knows that there are naturally instinctive players who can do the job as second nature. They can read everything around them, diagnose it, and take the best angle before anyone else has even moved. This is why Mosley got paid so much, and Devin can run circles around him. Growing a great athlete into a position is great, but I’m not sure the MLB position is right for Edmunds... Devin White is the next Keuchly, and it could be a terrible mistake to pass on him if he’s available. It is possible that White is even less instinctive than Edmunds, but in college he was able to cover for it with his incredible speed and athleticism. As as the video review Rygar attached pointed out, he would need the right coaches and locker room to reach his true potential. I truly believe McDermott and Buffalo is one of those teams. That being said, White seems like a “project” with a VERY high ceiling, but sort of a luxury pick if he is there at #9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorp83 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 On 3/19/2019 at 2:03 AM, BuffaloBillsGospel said: Tremaine's natural position is OLB, Devin White would be the more natural fit at ILB but it's doubtful he makes it to us, I see the Raiders all over this guy to man that LB core. Really? I don't think they value great LB's they got rid of the best player in the game that can not only play EVERY LB spot... but also can put his hand in the dirt. The Raiders might take a OG or not a tackle a guard or a Tightend that high. Maybe a kicker cause Gruden values points Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 (edited) 11 hours ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: That is an aggressively condescending response to me asking a simple question. You must be kinda new here. And yes, I know what condescending means. No offense. Edited March 20, 2019 by Dopey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 41 minutes ago, Dopey said: You must be kinda new here. And yes, I know what condescending means. No offense. I'm not new, and I know how confrontational people can be on this board. My point is only, why be confrontation/sarcastic/rude to a simple question? Have we really fallen that far? That a harmless question is now an attack? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 White please. Beane will do a deal wirh his buddy Gettleman to jump to #6 if need be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 (edited) 23 hours ago, ProcessAccepted said: I wouldn't be upset with this pick, but there's a bunch of guys we can get at 9 that I wouldn't be upset about either. The McBeane team has put together an outstanding off season so far, and there's no reason to believe they won't keep in going in the draft. Especially if they nab Bryce Love in the 3rd or 4th. we are the perfect team to draft Bryce Love in 3rd or 4th. He could learn from Shady, Gore, Ivory while he rehabs from his injury. Maybe Bryce can be ready for playoffs Edited March 20, 2019 by Pete 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 3 hours ago, Scorp83 said: Really? I don't think they value great LB's they got rid of the best player in the game that can not only play EVERY LB spot... but also can put his hand in the dirt. The Raiders might take a OG or not a tackle a guard or a Tightend that high. Maybe a kicker cause Gruden values points I don't know if they don't value LB, I think it was more of they didn't want to pay him, I think Mack would have been a wasted talent at ILB imo. I think they have alot more pressing needs on the defensive side of the ball but now that they picked up Burfict maybe White does free fall right to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 15 hours ago, R Y G A R said: Brett Kollmann. His videos are awesome. It's easy to get sucked in and watch like an hour or 2 worth of his stuff. Proceed with caution. Not to hijack this thread, but I just watched his breakdown of Metcalf and now I really hope we take him at 9. (and you are right, Kollmann's content is addictive!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorp83 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 1 hour ago, buffaloboyinATL said: Not to hijack this thread, but I just watched his breakdown of Metcalf and now I really hope we take him at 9. (and you are right, Kollmann's content is addictive!) Lol... I posted that a few days ago... we had a good discussion on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 23 hours ago, 3rdand12 said: associated with fluid density. so you are correct. but with all no OP meant vicious. brutal, relentless effort, to be feared McD would like all the players to be able to play MLB mentally. No reason not to take better advantage of Edmunds outside. if they can find someone equal or better who can play the A B gaps well. Edmunds has that sneaky speed to cover yard quickly. but he might play better read and react than hit the right hole. and a stack and shed type of role There are very good reasons. The Bills have three LBs on the field a fairy small percentage of the time. Milano is a stud, and so is Edmunds. There is no reason to spend a high draft choice on another MLB. The need better depth, and an eventual replacement for Lorenzo, but not in the first round, certainly not this year. There is zero chance this coaching staff moves on from Edmunds at MLB this year. Edmunds struggles at times with reads but came on very strong in that regard later the year. He had a very good season, for any player, much less a 20 year old rookie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 14 minutes ago, FLFan said: There are very good reasons. The Bills have three LBs on the field a fairy small percentage of the time. Milano is a stud, and so is Edmunds. There is no reason to spend a high draft choice on another MLB. The need better depth, and an eventual replacement for Lorenzo, but not in the first round, certainly not this year. There is zero chance this coaching staff moves on from Edmunds at MLB this year. Edmunds struggles at times with reads but came on very strong in that regard later the year. He had a very good season, for any player, much less a 20 year old rookie. He did come on strong in the later quarter of the season. I am not discounting Edmunds. Milano can play a "heavy nickle" safety. bpa baby ; ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 1 minute ago, 3rdand12 said: He did come on strong in the later quarter of the season. I am not discounting Edmunds. Milano can play a "heavy nickle" safety. bpa baby ; ) Gotcha. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 Lorax is still on this team 1 more year. Kyle is gone and I have my concerns whether Phillips is his replacement. That 9th pick will be tough for McB. If Ed Oliver, Jonah Williams, Devin White, DK Metcalf and TJ Hockenson are all there, who do you take? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 11 minutes ago, FLFan said: Gotcha. ? Your point is certainly defensible as well my friend. and i do not think Bills are seeking a MLB. i think they would get better ROI from a fellow like Oliver : ) 1 minute ago, LABILLBACKER said: Lorax is still on this team 1 more year. Kyle is gone and I have my concerns whether Phillips is his replacement. That 9th pick will be tough for McB. If Ed Oliver, Jonah Williams, Devin White, DK Metcalf and TJ Hockenson are all there, who do you take? as they say, good problem to have lol Glad it is not my problem though. Trade out of nine and add picks. Trade back up if you can. Hopeful Beanes renewed his Wizardry license for the draft etc. FA is going pretty nice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 5 hours ago, Scorp83 said: Lol... I posted that a few days ago... we had a good discussion on it. Thanks for the heads up. I found the thread after I posted my comment. And. Agree, good conversation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 5 hours ago, Scorp83 said: Lol... I posted that a few days ago... we had a good discussion on it. The drops are what concern me about DK. We had enough WR drops last year. Our WR group needs to step up this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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