BuffAlone Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 32 minutes ago, billspro said: I’m having trouble selling myself on Oliver with the lack of sack production. What makes you think he can put up better pass rush stats in the pros? Its not the sacks so much that we are in need of. Not that they aren't nice to have, mind you, but what a perfect fit would be is a beast of a penetrating 3tech. Probably the best vs. the run amongst all his peers, and his ability to shoot gaps and get TFL's are equally important to this defense. Pressure up the gut will open lanes for DE's and LBers stunting. And double teams he will draw will Definately help the pass rush get home Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 Would take care of, what I see as their biggest need at the moment, a second 3-tech behind JPhillips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 52 minutes ago, SCBills said: If we sign Philon (excellent move if we do), I'd really start to think we're looking to trade down. I still think we get a DE in FA/Trade somehow, someway, which would mean we'd essentially be set with Hughes/Shaq/Murphy/TBD & Star/Philon/Jordan/Harry ........ or they are split on the Jonah Williams / Ed Oliver thread. If they sign Philon, they can go Jonah Williams at 9 (or trade down and take OT Rizner) and then RB Miles Sanders or TE Irv Smith in the 2nd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 He looks like he would be a solid get. While there is the adage of never having enough good DL, this signing would likely end the idea of Oliver. They are keeping Star. They are very likely keeping Harry and Phillips. And they are definitely keeping Philon if he is signed. Sure, it's possible they would release Phillips on last cuts but I doubt they keep 5 DTs. I would like the signing and then go get an LT in round one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Syracuse Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 "He would be a great addition to their stacked defensive front and he is still young" Stacked defensive front? Wait whut? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 11 minutes ago, PIZ said: ........ or they are split on the Jonah Williams / Ed Oliver thread. If they sign Philon, they can go Jonah Williams at 9 (or trade down and take OT Rizner) and then RB Miles Sanders or TE Irv Smith in the 2nd. Yes, Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 1 hour ago, billspro said: I’m having trouble selling myself on Oliver with the lack of sack production. What makes you think he can put up better pass rush stats in the pros? Because he is double and triple teamed. If he was at Clemson or Alabama, he would have monster stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Syracuse Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Because he is double and triple teamed. If he was at Clemson or Alabama, he would have monster stats. Maybe, he'd also be facing better competition. The physical talent is clearly there but the NFL is littered with the bodies of guys who were physically talented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 Just now, Mike in Syracuse said: Maybe, he'd also be facing better competition. The physical talent is clearly there but the NFL is littered with the bodies of guys who were physically talented. But couldn’t you say the same thing about Josh Allen? oliver was one of the best recruits in the country and shockingly choose Houston. He still had 53 TFLs in 3 years where he was the number one player on their defense to game plan against. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 9 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Because he is double and triple teamed. If he was at Clemson or Alabama, he would have monster stats. I definitely noticed that, still wish he overcame that though. Donald dominated double teams in college. I do think Oliver played a lot of NT though. That is not an ideal position for him. I would be happy if we drafted him still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezertbill Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 1 hour ago, SCBills said: If we sign Philon (excellent move if we do), I'd really start to think we're looking to trade down. I still think we get a DE in FA/Trade somehow, someway, which would mean we'd essentially be set with Hughes/Shaq/Murphy/TBD & Star/Philon/Jordan/Harry I think based on the reports that we were going to swap 9 with 20 w/ Steelers for AB, that BB has his sights on trading down, which makes all the sense in the world. I would love to trade with Raiders 24 & 27 for 9th. IMO if we sign Philon that will take us out of the Ed Oliver race, although I like Oliver alot. W/ Hughes on the last year of his deal, Murphy not really doing much and Shaq still not tendered his 5th year, I see us going Edge 1st pick, which is deep in this draft. Although the interest in Ansah could change that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, billspro said: I definitely noticed that, still wish he overcame that though. Donald dominated double teams in college. I do think Oliver played a lot of NT though. That is not an ideal position for him. I would be happy if we drafted him still. Fair point. I guess you could say Clowney was like that too. He had 3 sacks his last year in college. I think on the right team, Oliver could be a monster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 9 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Fair point. I guess you could say Clowney was like that too. He had 3 sacks his last year in college. I think on the right team, Oliver could be a monster. He would be a great Kyle Williams replacement. If we draft Oliver, Burns, Taylor, or Hockenson I will be stoked on draft day. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBD Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 Found this on Google, written today. Chargers blog. Quote Philon, 25, was the most consistent player on the interior part of the defensive line. After being overshadowed by Brandon Mebane and Corey Liuget, Philon emerged as a star up front the past two years. The former Arkansas product started 13 out of 16 games during the regular season, amassing 33 tackles, and leading the team with four sacks and nine quarterback hits in 2018. Philon was a force at rushing the passer and stopping the run. https://chargerswire.usatoday.com/2019/03/17/lack-of-activity-in-re-signing-chargers-darius-philon-starting-to-cause-concern/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 Woke up thinking about this today If we truly are doing what Beane said and "using free agency to fill needs" taking BPA in the draft......what about Devin White? My thoughts - Lorax retiring - The bills might not be set on Edmunds being a MLB - Gives them 3 LB's that can cover - Possibly BPA? Then you trade back up into the 1st round for Risner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpsredemption Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 Not a very reliable source Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 14 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Woke up thinking about this today If we truly are doing what Beane said and "using free agency to fill needs" taking BPA in the draft......what about Devin White? My thoughts - Lorax retiring - The bills might not be set on Edmunds being a MLB - Gives them 3 LB's that can cover - Possibly BPA? Then you trade back up into the 1st round for Risner You have to consider it if he is there. He shouldn’t be available at 9 imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMIEBUF12 Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 If we were to sign him all I know is I want the Bills to add another Williams...Like Greedy Williams or Jonsh Williams whichever one is there at #9...In either case it is a win win..The Bills can have an elite secondary or a real solid o-line.Is #9 too high for a guatd?They say Jonah is a tackle that better translates to a guard in the NFL...If both there I’d draft Greedy...GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 2 hours ago, MAJBobby said: NFL Career Stats with Chargers 4 years 54 games 19 games started 2 PD 2 FF 9.5 Sacks 46 Solo 4 Ast 16 TFL 22 QB Hits Agreed. He needed to get stronger coming out of college, but he's a perfect fit for 3 tech, the spot that Kyle Williams' retirement left open. Sign him then draft BPA at #9 If the pick his Ed Oliver, then they will have a heck of a competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 There were reports late last week that the Patriots were interested in this guy too, his stats and predraft bio make him look like a solid add and have no issues with signing him to find a replacement 3 tech DT for Kyle Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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