The Now Moment Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 minute ago, JM57 said: I can comprehend this just fine, thank you very much. The fact remains that they paid a limited LB $5 mil per year more than the best all around LB in the game. Just because the cap goes up doesn't make it smart. I consider him a top 5 MLB and he went to a perfect fit. How is he limited in your eyes? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, JM57 said: I can comprehend this just fine, thank you very much. The fact remains that they paid a limited LB $5 mil per year more than the best all around LB in the game. Just because the cap goes up doesn't make it smart. The amount of money is completely immaterial. What matters is portion/percentage of cap devoted to player/position. Don’t get mesmerized by the dollar figure. The cap goes up significantly every year anyway. Edited March 12, 2019 by dave mcbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM57 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 minute ago, Buffalo30 said: I consider him a top 5 MLB and he went to a perfect fit. How is he limited in your eyes? Much better moving forward/against the run than in coverage. It was the book on him coming out of college and I don't think it's changed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM57 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: The amount of money is completely immaterial. What matters is portion/percentage of cap devoted to player/position. Don’t get mesmerized by the dollar figure. The cap goes up significantly every year anyway. Yeah, I understand that but it's still not a great deal for a downhill LB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Now Moment Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, JM57 said: Much better moving forward/against the run than in coverage. It was the book on him coming out of college and I don't think it's changed. He's still a top five linebacker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM57 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 4 minutes ago, Buffalo30 said: He's still a top five linebacker. Top 5 inside backer is a low bar to clear, it's Kuechly and Wagner and then a gap, but yeah, I'll say he's currently about the 5th best (give me Deion Jones and Eric Kendricks over him). Still not worth what he got paid though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo86 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Stupid Jets, using their cap space to sign a bunch of the top FAs! 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, Buffalo86 said: Stupid Jets, using their cap space to sign a bunch of the top FAs! Tell us all why these are good, quality signings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 13 minutes ago, Buffalo30 said: He's still a top five linebacker. I think that's a stretch even if we limit it to off ball LBs. There's quite a few that I would probably take over him. Not that they're the end-all-be-all, but PFF for example had him rated around the #40 off-ball LB this season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dje85 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 hour ago, aristocrat said: We still have very good lbs and a gm who can find them in the draft. Way more important. Our o line will be getting to the next level and dominating these lbs. bills won twice against jets next year Won twice against them next year?.... Are you from the future? Did we sign Williams? Any other big name free agents? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo86 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Just now, ScottLaw said: "They are going to be in cap hell in 4 years!" "It doesn't matter where we are today. What matters is where we are 2 or 3 years down the road. You're gonna say I'm crazy, but we're not that far." 2 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Tell us all why these are good, quality signings. They're using their cap space to fill holes, and getting some of the top players available. Look at any list of the top FAs & you'll find Barr & Mosley near the top, but what do the experts know? I think it beats drafting for need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, ScottLaw said: You'll get flamed but your right. Not to mention if they sign Paradis they've solidified their offensive line as well. They are certainly the better team on paper as of now. Not. We have the better QB and we have the better coach. Yes he does clap a bit much but keeps a normal eye on the job.? Edited March 12, 2019 by IgotBILLStopay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavy Kevi Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 21 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Jets are under pressure to win this year. GMs job is on the line. You'll see the same behavior from McBeane next year if they don't win this coming season.(assuming they make it to the 2020 offseason) They are doing what they need to do with all that cap space they have with their QB in a more than optimal contract for the next few years..... hopefully the Bills take a similar approach the rest of the way. Totally agree that's why their GM is doing it. Whaley did the same thing and it fricked us real good. Completely disagree with everything else... I don't want the Bills to act like this, mostly because you set up this "window" of a couple years before being in cap hell and it has to work. Often times it takes QBs longer to develop, and then they have to endure the several years of getting back on the right side of the cap. We just went through the ramifications of bad cap management, and it's worse on the backside than it was good up front. Lest we forget we had to field a team last year with just 70% of the cap. Furthermore, I do not agree McD or Beane will be on the hotseat regardless of this upcoming seasons outcome. I believe they will be allowed to realize their vision and develop Josh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HailMary Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 “Chasing CJ Mosley Looks Terrible for Jets GM” https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nj.com/jets/2019/03/nfl-free-agents-2019-why-chasing-cj-mosley-looks-terrible-for-jets-mike-maccagnan.html%3foutputType=amp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 The Jets are clearly going for it while Darnold is under a rookie contract. I like the Osemele move the best. To me they massively overpaid for Barr. I get why he got good money but it wouldn’t have been me doing it. Mosley is a good fit in the 3-4 defense so that move is solid for them but he can’t cover in a new age football. Crowder is a good player but 9 mill AAV is a lot and Bellamy to me is whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Joe in Winslow said: Explain why. Their LBs sucked, now they have two pretty good ones. Expensive, but an upgrade nonetheless for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 22 minutes ago, Buffalo86 said: "It doesn't matter where we are today. What matters is where we are 2 or 3 years down the road. You're gonna say I'm crazy, but we're not that far." They're using their cap space to fill holes, and getting some of the top players available. Look at any list of the top FAs & you'll find Barr & Mosley near the top, but what do the experts know? I think it beats drafting for need. You think. Ok, well that seals it, I'm sold! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 24 minutes ago, dje85 said: Won twice against them next year?.... Are you from the future? Did we sign Williams? Any other big name free agents? free agency doesn't mean games won. drafting does. and the jets have less picks than us and a worse history of drafting. lets go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavy Kevi Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 5 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Whaley didn't ***** us. Rex Ryan did. And as much as I like Tyrod he doesn't have near the potential as Sam Darnold does at QB. The salary cap hell is so ridiculously overblown on this board. They'll absolutely be on the hot hot seat and maybe even gone if this team continues to get blown out and wins 6 games again. I still disagree. You telling me I'm wrong as if you are an authority doesn't change anything. I say things like "I believe", and I "agree" or "disagree". You don't, you present your opinion as if they were facts, because you actually think you just know more than everyone else, with an unearned bravado that reminds me of Rex. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Holy mole that's a lot of cheese. But Mosely is freakin awesome. Barr not so much, but Mosely is great. Still not worried about the Jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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