Hearing Broncos will let Matt Paradis test FA

[BuffaloBillsGospel]

9 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:

 

Maybe they already  know they can’t come up with the dollars?

 

I thought that's why they traded WR Demaryius Thomas last season. But that's good news for hopefully us.

[ColoradoBills]

32 minutes ago, T master said:

It wouldn't surprise me if Bean & company at the very least talk to him but i don't see them getting in a bidding war for him or as some here said to back up the truck & pay him what ever he wants after all the guy is 29 which isn't old but what is the longevity of a center in the NFL ?

 

I know a good one can make or break a offense as was seen this yr with the loss of E Wood ! I i guess if they could get him for around the same contract that they gave E Wood that wouldn't be bad because they thought they would be paying that out any way .

 

The Spencer Long signing would be good for a back up at the position & he could be a better guard than he was a center, the O line needs all the help it can get to be better than it has been !!

 

I'm starting to think Paradis wants top Center money which will be 11 million per.

I think the Broncos are more around 9.  I'm speculating of course.

Paradis and his agent probably want a 5 year contract with about 60% guaranteed.

 

If he is still playing well at 33 years old it would probably be worth the money..............if he isn't.................

The question will be if Elway bumps up his offer enough for Paradis to stay in DEN which is what he wants to do.

[mjt328]

15 hours ago, BillsFan4 said:

Yeah, Paradis or Mitch Morse. Ryan Kalil would be ok too (and Beane is obviously familiar with him). And I want Daryl Williams at T (another carolina guy Beane is familiar with)

 

But I don’t really have my hopes up. Im not sure how many real big names buffalo will go after, and even if they do buffalo isn’t exactly a free agent destination (yet...?).

 

Im hoping this new, state of the art $18M training facility will help their recruiting. It’s supposed to be one of the top 3 in the NFL when finished. That’s pretty damn cool for a small market team. 

 

Ryan Kalil retired.

 

When it comes to Center, the Bills only have two good options in Free Agency:

- Matt Paradis

- Mitch Morse

 

After that, you only have a handful of guys with any real starting experience in the NFL. 

And I wouldn't consider any of those guys (Matt Skura, Spencer Pulley, etc.) to be upgrades from Russell Bodine or Ryan Groy.

 

If you don't get Paradis and you don't get Morse (and believe me, there will be a very big market for both), then your only choice is looking to the draft. 

There are some decent 2nd-3rd Round options like Elgton Jenkins, Garrett Bradbury, Erick McCoy and Michael Jordan.  But I never like going into the draft with a desperate need at any position.  That's probably why Beane jumped on getting Spencer Long.  Because if we strike out on all of the above, Long was probably the next best option.

 

 

[YoloinOhio]

8 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

 

Ryan Kalil retired.

 

When it comes to Center, the Bills only have two good options in Free Agency:

- Matt Paradis

- Mitch Morse

 

After that, you only have a handful of guys with any real starting experience in the NFL. 

And I wouldn't consider any of those guys (Matt Skura, Spencer Pulley, etc.) to be upgrades from Russell Bodine or Ryan Groy.

 

If you don't get Paradis and you don't get Morse (and believe me, there will be a very big market for both), then your only choice is looking to the draft. 

There are some decent 2nd-3rd Round options like Elgton Jenkins, Garrett Bradbury, Erick McCoy and Michael Jordan.  But I never like going into the draft with a desperate need at any position.  That's probably why Beane jumped on getting Spencer Long.  Because if we strike out on all of the above, Long was probably the next best option.

 

 

All great points about the FA center market. Beane also said be prefers a vet at C - so this is a wise signing considering the thin market coming up. We are lucky Long was cut early, which was because he had a 3mill roster bonus due 3 days after the SB. 

 

As far as that list of draft prospects, Mike Jordan cannot play C and doesn’t want to play C. I hope no one drafts him and plays him at C. He literally cannot snap the ball correctly, and no he didn’t have any injury. He’s a very good G though. For some odd reason he was an all American at C this season - it’s a mystery. 

Edited February 14, 2019 by YoloinOhio

[ndirish1978]

Well, this is good news to me at the very least, considering I thought it was more likely than not that the Broncos would bring him back. Now I can keep hoping we swing for the fences and sign at least one of these guys. Although I think Bradbury is amazing and I want him on the team about as badly as I'd like us to draft Dalton Risner. If we can stabilize the OL in FA, that just frees us up to draft some skills players and and go BPA.

Edited February 14, 2019 by ndirish1978

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

 

so no concerns with his injury history?.....

[ColoradoBills]

11 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

so no concerns with his injury history?.....

 

He never missed a start until he broke a bone last year.

[2020 Our Year For Sure]

2 hours ago, IgotBILLStopay said:

Yes, it appears only 1.2 mill of Long's 13 mill deal is guaranteed. No wonder the Bills signed him early. To lock him up with just 1.2 mill in a position of absolute need - that has the potential to go down as one of the best off-season signings.  That also means a top flight center (FA or Draft)is still very much in play. 

Where are you seeing this?

edit- nevermind I see Rodak tweeted it. Nice!

Edited February 14, 2019 by 2018 Our Year For Sure

[John from Riverside]

When I think back to how this team could not execute a screen to save their lives because our OL literally could not get out in front of it....it is quite refreshing to watch Long's tape on how he gets out to the second level and blocks.......

 

I like this signing for a multitude of reasons

[MrEpsYtown]

Paradis will be a Jet in my opinion. He's a perfect zone player for Gase. He played for Gase and was drafted for his offense. It's the most obvious fit in free agency. 

 

Bills fans, Mitch Morse is the better player for us. He's a converted left tackle, so he has a much better skill set and is scheme versatile. I know PFF rates Paradis higher, but I don't care. Morse is younger, bigger, and an overall better athlete. He has not surrendered a sack since his rookie season. He's bigger, faster, stronger, longer, and younger. The only red flag is the concussions, but we need to make Mitch Morse happen. He's the perfect fit for us.  

[YoloinOhio]

6 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

Paradis will be a Jet in my opinion. He's a perfect zone player for Gase. He played for Gase and was drafted for his offense. It's the most obvious fit in free agency. 

 

Bills fans, Mitch Morse is the better player for us. He's a converted left tackle, so he has a much better skill set and is scheme versatile. I know PFF rates Paradis higher, but I don't care. Morse is younger, bigger, and an overall better athlete. He has not surrendered a sack since his rookie season. He's bigger, faster, stronger, longer, and younger. The only red flag is the concussions, but we need to make Mitch Morse happen. He's the perfect fit for us.  

Why would KC let him go?

[MrEpsYtown]

24 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

When I think back to how this team could not execute a screen to save their lives because our OL literally could not get out in front of it....it is quite refreshing to watch Long's tape on how he gets out to the second level and blocks.......

 

I like this signing for a multitude of reasons

 

Long has a bit of a nasty streak as well, which is something I really like. My hopeful and optimistic outlook is that we sign Morse and Williams and Long plays RG, with either Teller or an upgrade at LG. 

 

Teller-Morse-Long in the interior are three really smart guys with nasty streaks. I would love it. 

[YoloinOhio]

Just now, MrEpsYtown said:

 

Long has a bit of a nasty streak as well, which is something I really like. My hopeful and optimistic outlook is that we sign Morse and Williams and Long plays RG, with either Teller or an upgrade at LG. 

 

Teller-Morse-Long in the interior are three really smart guys with nasty streaks. I would love it. 

Stop whispering these sweet nothings to us on Valentines Day 

[2020 Our Year For Sure]

3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Why would KC let him go?

They extended two interior linemen before the season, C Austin Reiter and G Cameron Erving.

[MrEpsYtown]

1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:

Why would KC let him go?

 

It's a cap issue. They have to pay Dee Ford, Steven Nelson etc. Plus eventually Tyreek Hill and Chris Jones. I think they are in a tough spot. They got some production out of Austin Reiter, and with LD-Tardif returning, they probably feel they don't aren't in a position to pay Morse top dollar. I think they want him back, but won't be able to afford him. 

[YoloinOhio]

1 minute ago, 2018 Our Year For Sure said:

They extended two interior linemen before the season, C Austin Reiter and G Cameron Erving.

Still, seems like it would be important for Mahomes to keep his C

[MrEpsYtown]

2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Stop whispering these sweet nothings to us on Valentines Day 

 

I try to keep things optimistic. Yolo, y'know. No time for pessimism.

[Misterbluesky]

20 hours ago, MJS said:

 

Long is a safe signing for right now. There is no gaurentee of signing any player that you want once free agency opens, even if you offer them top dollar. I don't think that signing Long has much to do with the players they target in free agency. Bring in as many oline upgrades as possible and let them all battle for the top spots.

I agree...bring in the bodies.However,I think the Long signing spells the end for Groy..and if they do bring in more talent at center..they lose next to nothing by giving Bodine his walking papers.(500k- dead cap).Hey...changes were expected..

[Dkollidas]

20 hours ago, IgotBILLStopay said:

Bills may have already moved on from Paradis. Otherwise the Spencer Long signing makes no sense.

Long can play guard. Also he’s signed for 3 years, but the team has out clauses after the first and second season. So he’s an addition, and possibly a starter, but it doesn’t prevent them from doing anything. It just allows them to go after anyone on the interior and doesn’t lock them into needing specifically a guard or center. 

[MrEpsYtown]

Btw Morse is on NFL network right now vs Ravens. Guy is so good. 

[John from Riverside]

4 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

Btw Morse is on NFL network right now vs Ravens. Guy is so good. 

I would be happy as a clam with either center Paridis or Morse.....

 

Just improve the position

[TheBeaneBandit]

3 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I would be happy as a clam with either center Paridis or Morse.....

 

Just improve the position

Please! lol

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

...is there a preferred choice between Paradis & Morse?......or do you folks call it a draw with either one?...............

[TheBeaneBandit]

6 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

...is there a preferred choice between Paradis & Morse?......or do you folks call it a draw with either one?...............

Ill say a draw because Morse is a couple years younger so imo that makes it even lol

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

1 minute ago, TheBeaneBandit said:

Ill say a draw because Morse is a couple years younger so imo that makes it even lol

 

thanks...appreciate the assessment.............

[BillsSB2020]

I may be in the minority, but I think Morse may be a better get than Paradis. Morse has the kind of athleticism we're missing along the line and is also a bit younger than Paradis. We have the space to outbid KC if they have their sights set on Morse. Will all depend on whether he'd take a hometown discount to stay in KC.

Edited February 14, 2019 by BillsSB2020

[MrEpsYtown]

14 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

...is there a preferred choice between Paradis & Morse?......or do you folks call it a draw with either one?...............

 

I strongly prefer Morse but would be absolutely ecstatic with either. People who love PFF love Paradis. He's very highly rated there. I've studied both a bit and I think Morse is better, though I have seen a lot more of Morse. I've loved Morse since draft time when he was a left tackle at Mizzou. 

 

And just to add, playing center in an Andy Reid offense is not easy. It's pretty demanding and he has had some really good ones over the years. 

[John from Riverside]

3 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:

Paradis will be a Jet in my opinion. He's a perfect zone player for Gase. He played for Gase and was drafted for his offense. It's the most obvious fit in free agency. 

 

Bills fans, Mitch Morse is the better player for us. He's a converted left tackle, so he has a much better skill set and is scheme versatile. I know PFF rates Paradis higher, but I don't care. Morse is younger, bigger, and an overall better athlete. He has not surrendered a sack since his rookie season. He's bigger, faster, stronger, longer, and younger. The only red flag is the concussions, but we need to make Mitch Morse happen. He's the perfect fit for us.  

I just really hate to narrow things down to a player......

 

If we could get one of these two players....Im happy

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

8 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

I strongly prefer Morse but would be absolutely ecstatic with either. People who love PFF love Paradis. He's very highly rated there. I've studied both a bit and I think Morse is better, though I have seen a lot more of Morse. I've loved Morse since draft time when he was a left tackle at Mizzou. 

 

And just to add, playing center in an Andy Reid offense is not easy. It's pretty demanding and he has had some really good ones over the years. 

 

...thanks bud...most seem to feel the Paradis broken fibula is a non-issue going forward...do you agree?..............

[MrEpsYtown]

16 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...thanks bud...most seem to feel the Paradis broken fibula is a non-issue going forward...do you agree?..............

 

Yes defintely. He's a tough SOB for sure. He dealt with some terrible hip pain for years dating back to college and kept on playing. Finally had surgery on both. I would guess he's got maybe 4-5 years left in his career. Morse is a bit younger and has had concussion issues, but should have a longer shelf life. They both have their issues health wise. I'd say both are probably in that Eric Wood type of talent level, maybe a bit better. They are not Alex Mack or Travis Frederick, but they are both pretty damn good. 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

1 minute ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

Yes defintely. He's a tough SOB for sure. He dealt with some terrible hip pain for years dating back to college and kept on playing. Finally had surgery on both. I would guess he's got maybe 4-5 years left in his career. Morse is a bit younger and has had concussion issues, but should have a longer shelf life. They both have their issues health wise. I'd say both are probably in that Eric Wood type of talent level, maybe a bit better. They are not Alex Mack or Travis Frederick, but they are both pretty damn good. 

 

 

 

...appreciate your analysis and insight.....

[MrEpsYtown]

6 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

 

 

...appreciate your analysis and insight.....

 

Thanks! Anytime! 

[IgotBILLStopay]

https://www.buffalobills.com/news/bills-today-how-buffalo-impressed-recent-free-agent-signee-spencer-long

 

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Long said he’s been told he’ll compete for the starting center role, presumably with veteran Russell Bodine, who made 10 starts at center for the Bills last season.

 

Long has also been told he will compete for a starting position. Doubt Long will compete for a starting spot with a Morse or a Paradis. So maybe the Bills have moved on from Morse / Paradis. But, based on the fact that only $1.2 mill of Long's contract is guaranteed - the Bills may still be looking for another Center. Mixed signals.

[YoloinOhio]

9 minutes ago, IgotBILLStopay said:

https://www.buffalobills.com/news/bills-today-how-buffalo-impressed-recent-free-agent-signee-spencer-long

 

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Long said he’s been told he’ll compete for the starting center role, presumably with veteran Russell Bodine, who made 10 starts at center for the Bills last season.

 

Long has also been told he will compete for a starting position. Doubt Long will compete for a starting spot with a Morse or a Paradis. So maybe the Bills have moved on from Morse / Paradis. But, based on the fact that only $1.2 mill of Long's contract is guaranteed - the Bills may still be looking for another Center. Mixed signals.

It makes sense to tell him that given the state of the roster this early... so much can change in FA and the draft. 

[IgotBILLStopay]

19 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

It makes sense to tell him that given the state of the roster this early... so much can change in FA and the draft. 

 

That is true. However, the key point is that if a Paradis or Morse signing was a likely outcome, they would not tell Long he will compete for the starting Center spot.

 

If you do that a few times (tell a FA he is going to compete to start and then sign a surefire starter over him), you will lose credibility. This is a multi-period game.

 

 

[BillsMafia13]

On 2/14/2019 at 1:53 AM, Aussie Joe said:

 

Maybe they already  know they can’t come up with the dollars?

Now theyve got 40 mil invested in 2 average qbs they are gonna need to shed/avoid  money.  Flacco is a blessing I guess

[thebandit27]

Did anyone post the contract details yet?

 

https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2019/2/14/18224774/buffalo-bills-contract-numbers-spencer-long-deal-laden-with-incentives-brandon-beane-bonuses

 

This is NOT starting center (or guard) money; this is backup money.

 

I'd look for Bodine to be the emergency option as a starting center, but one of them (Long or Bodine) will be cut if the team lands a bona fide starter in FA or the draft.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

3 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

Did anyone post the contract details yet?

 

https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2019/2/14/18224774/buffalo-bills-contract-numbers-spencer-long-deal-laden-with-incentives-brandon-beane-bonuses

 

This is NOT starting center (or guard) money; this is backup money.

 

I'd look for Bodine to be the emergency option as a starting center, but one of them (Long or Bodine) will be cut if the team lands a bona fide starter in FA or the draft.

 

...good find!....thanks.......

[YoloinOhio]

23 minutes ago, IgotBILLStopay said:

 

That is true. However, the key point is that if a Paradis or Morse signing was a likely outcome, they would not tell Long he will compete for the starting Center spot.

 

If you do that a few times (tell a FA he is going to compete to start and then sign a surefire starter over him), you will lose credibility. This is a multi-period game.

 

 

That’s the thing... they have no idea how likely it is yet. Even if they planned to throw every penny they have at both. Either could decide to go elsewhere easily. They won’t have a better idea probably until the combine when all the illegal tampering takes place with the agents and personnel guys. Long just got cut last week and they snatched him up immediately due to the experience, versatility and price tag along with the state of their OL. And it makes sense to tell him he would compete at C, as he’s started there before. But right now he’s just a cog and they need to fill in he rest, no one knows who that will be. And they like to say everyone’s always competing no matter what so even if the sign a guy like Morse, I still think they “say” the same thing.

Edited February 15, 2019 by YoloinOhio

[thebandit27]

23 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

That’s the thing... they have no idea how likely it is yet. Even if they planned to throw every penny they have at both. Either could decide to go elsewhere easily. They won’t have a better idea probably until the combine when all the illegal tampering takes place with the agents and personnel guys. Long just got cut last week and they snatched him up immediately due to the experience, versatility and price tag along with the state of their OL. And it makes sense to tell him he would compete at C, as he’s started there before. But right now he’s just a cog and they need to fill in he rest, no one knows who that will be. And they like to say everyone’s always competing no matter what so even if the sign a guy like Morse, I still think they “say” the same thing.

 

They might have a better shot at landing Paradis than Morse IMO...Morse has the same agent as Russ Bodine; not sure how good that would look if EAS scores Morse a big deal that puts one of their other clients out of a job...then again, maybe they can convince Bodine that it's in his best interest to sign another contract this year since he's only got $500k in guaranteed money coming from this one, which would kill two birds with one stone.

 

Just pointing out another dynamic at play here.

 

If we're looking at agent-association, the OLmen that the Bills may have the best "inside track" to are Ja'Wuan James and Quentin Spain.  They share an agent with Kyle Williams, Robert Foster, and Isaiah McKenzie--all of whom have signed deals since Beane has been GM.

Edited February 15, 2019 by thebandit27