Doc Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 49 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: The schedule also got considerably easier when he returned. In the key matchup against a Patriots team that had been struggling........... they were shut down and nearly shut out. That was more consistent with the performance in games in the early portion of their schedule...........good teams could have their way with the Bills offense..... which is why it was historically bad for most of the year. Improved OL and running game goes a long way toward being better on a consistent basis.........and adding Beasley and Brown helps too but you can't expect Allen to be a guy to turn "solid" WR's into a top passing game at this stage of his career. They really need a guy to demand constant double teams in the passing game........hopefully that's Foster but his history is far too murky to count on that..........they badly need another big time playmaking/matchup-winning option to help make it work against better defenses while Allen is learning how to play the position. Having Brown and Foster on the outsides will force teams to double cover at least one of them, reaching that objective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 I still have no idea how the Bills hired this guy when the last time he coached QB’s was 1988. Then someone else actually wanted him ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said: The schedule also got considerably easier when he returned. In the key matchup against a Patriots team that had been struggling........... they were shut down and nearly shut out. That was more consistent with the performance in games in the early portion of their schedule...........good teams could have their way with the Bills offense..... which is why it was historically bad for most of the year. Improved OL and running game goes a long way toward being better on a consistent basis.........and adding Beasley and Brown helps too but you can't expect Allen to be a guy to turn "solid" WR's into a top passing game at this stage of his career. They really need a guy to demand constant double teams in the passing game........hopefully that's Foster but his history is far too murky to count on that..........they badly need another big time playmaking/matchup-winning option to help make it work against better defenses while Allen is learning how to play the position. Both Brown and Beasley are "playmaking/matchup-winning" options in the passing game. Foster looks like he's becoming one as well. I'd still like them to draft a guy like Harry or Deebo Samuel but I don't think they need a "true #1 WR" in the conventional sense of the phrase. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 16 minutes ago, eball said: Both Brown and Beasley are "playmaking/matchup-winning" options in the passing game. Foster looks like he's becoming one as well. I'd still like them to draft a guy like Harry or Deebo Samuel but I don't think they need a "true #1 WR" in the conventional sense of the phrase. I said this elsewhere but I'll say it again here. They don't need a "true #1 WR." Again only half of the teams that made the playoffs last season had a 1,000 WR and the Cheaters won the SB without a 1,000 yard receiver. Moreover I just don't see where a high draft pick WR would fit given they signed Brown and Beasley to decent-sized deals, have Foster who showed great promise and still have Zay (who hopefully will have an uneventful off-season this year). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 32 minutes ago, Doc said: Having Brown and Foster on the outsides will force teams to double cover at least one of them, reaching that objective. I like John Brown but let's be realistic here.......c'mon now.........has he ever been doubled? Dude averaged 500 yards receiving the past 3 seasons...........he ain't anyone's idea of a #1. As for Foster.........if he can keep up the pace he was on in the second half of last year he might be that guy that opens up the field for everyone else............but that literally came out of nowhere..........this is a guy who was nagged by injuries and only played in 19 games and caught 35 passes total in 4 years at Alabama. I like his skillset and defended the much maligned SkyDiver on here when most of you were dousing him with gasoline for his Foster takes.......... but you probably shouldn't build your passing offense around the idea that he will become a 1400 yard receiver just yet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4BillsintheBurgh Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, Doc said: I said this elsewhere but I'll say it again here. They don't need a "true #1 WR." Again only half of the teams that made the playoffs last season had a 1,000 WR and the Cheaters won the SB without a 1,000 yard receiver. Moreover I just don't see where a high draft pick WR would fit given they signed Brown and Beasley to decent-sized deals, have Foster who showed great promise and still have Zay (who hopefully will have an uneventful off-season this year). The one advantage a true number 1 provides is help for Josh Allen, when Ben started in pittsburgh he had Plaxico Burress. Just somewhere to go when you can't make it through all your reads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 5 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: I like John Brown but let's be realistic here.......c'mon now.........has he ever been doubled? Dude averaged 500 yards receiving the past 3 seasons...........he ain't anyone's idea of a #1. As for Foster.........if he can keep up the pace he was on in the second half of last year he might be that guy that opens up the field for everyone else............but that literally came out of nowhere..........this is a guy who was nagged by injuries and only played in 19 games and caught 35 passes total in 4 years at Alabama. I like his skillset and defended the much maligned SkyDiver on here when most of you were dousing him with gasoline for his Foster takes.......... but you probably shouldn't build your passing offense around the idea that he will become a 1400 yard receiver just yet. If you have to ask if John Brown has ever been doubled... As for Foster, sure he came out of nowhere. That's neither here nor there since he's here now. And again whether you want to believe that Brown has never been doubled, fine, with the speed of both of them S's will have to pay attention to one of them at least for fear of getting burned deep. Which again opens up the underneath. 11 minutes ago, 4BillsintheBurgh said: The one advantage a true number 1 provides is help for Josh Allen, when Ben started in pittsburgh he had Plaxico Burress. Just somewhere to go when you can't make it through all your reads. That's what I'm expecting Beasley to be: an outlet at worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 9 minutes ago, 4BillsintheBurgh said: The one advantage a true number 1 provides is help for Josh Allen, when Ben started in pittsburgh he had Plaxico Burress. Just somewhere to go when you can't make it through all your reads. This is what is lost on eball and Doc, IMO. Josh Allen is not Tom Brady........"well the Patriots don't have a #1 WR" just isn't a useful argument when comparing a raw, big armed QB with a tendency to take the high risk/high reward throw versus the surgically precise decision maker and passer that Brady is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 Just now, BADOLBILZ said: This is what is lost on eball and Doc, IMO. Josh Allen is not Tom Brady........"well the Patriots don't have a #1 WR" just isn't a useful argument when comparing a raw, big armed QB with a tendency to take the high risk/high reward throw versus the surgically precise decision maker and passer that Brady is. Well, you consider Sammy a true #1, so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4BillsintheBurgh Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, Doc said: That's what I'm expecting Beasley to be: an outlet at worst. I'd rather have a guy in the 15-50 yard range, that's where JA is going to be more comfortable looking until he gets some more seasoning, especially if he is going to be scrambling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 39 minutes ago, eball said: Both Brown and Beasley are "playmaking/matchup-winning" options in the passing game. Foster looks like he's becoming one as well. I'd still like them to draft a guy like Harry or Deebo Samuel but I don't think they need a "true #1 WR" in the conventional sense of the phrase. If the Bills defense was playing a receiving corps with Brown and Beasley...........would you be sweating the ability of Wallace and Johnson to cover those guys? The answer should be no. As mentioned........John Brown has averaged 500 yards receiving the past 3 seasons........and since Beasley became a regular target 6 years ago he's been good for about 50 grabs and 500 yards per season. These aren't dominant players folks..........that's 30 yards receiving each per game. Allen needs more help than that...........he's not a 35 year old veteran passer who sees the entire field and can be expected to dissect defenses with tight window throws all day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4BillsintheBurgh Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 5 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: This is what is lost on eball and Doc, IMO. Josh Allen is not Tom Brady........"well the Patriots don't have a #1 WR" just isn't a useful argument when comparing a raw, big armed QB with a tendency to take the high risk/high reward throw versus the surgically precise decision maker and passer that Brady is. I do think there is a better shot of JA developing his game this year given the changes to the qb room, but I don't see how he's going to curb everything he's learned to become a qb that will know and take what the defense is giving him. Usually that is in the third season. Beasley will help, Brown will help, but I think if that's what we end up with I think the coaching is going to have to bridge the gap so that revamped qb room is going to have to produce. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 4 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: If the Bills defense was playing a receiving corps with Brown and Beasley...........would you be sweating the ability of Wallace and Johnson to cover those guys? The answer should be no. As mentioned........John Brown has averaged 500 yards receiving the past 3 seasons........and since Beasley became a regular target 6 years ago he's been good for about 50 grabs and 500 yards per season. These aren't dominant players folks..........that's 30 yards receiving each per game. Allen needs more help than that...........he's not a 35 year old veteran passer who sees the entire field and can be expected to dissect defenses with tight window throws all day. Just Brown and Beasley? Probably not. Brown, Beasley...and Foster? Yeah, I probably would. Although the trio of White, Wallace and Johnson are among the best in the league. Not many teams can boast that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 9 minutes ago, Doc said: Well, you consider Sammy a true #1, so... Like the Rams and Chiefs did.............who played in the SB and AFC championship game, respectively. The formula works. Put elite talent around your inexpensive young QB.............I like John Brown and Beasley but those are not elite players. Not close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 4 minutes ago, Doc said: Just Brown and Beasley? Probably not. Brown, Beasley...and Foster? Yeah, I probably would. Although the trio of White, Wallace and Johnson are among the best in the league. Not many teams can boast that. As I said...........Foster is the hope...........but his actual track record is astonishingly poor. That's why people like you were dumping hard on SkyDiver for hyping him last fall. The same people are penciling him in to be great. Realistically it's putting too many eggs in that basket if you subscribe to the theory that most teams that have been successful with young QB's in recent years do............that you need to put BIG TIME receiving talent around that QB. Also if you think the Bills are even close to the only team with a solid looking group of CB's you aren't paying attention. More than any other position the past two decades the CB position has gotten deeper with talent around the league. Nobody is starting a "punt catcher" or a Kirby Jackson at CB anymore..........the quality of CB talent is high and especially recently there have been A LOT more good CB's enter the league since 2014 than there have been good WR's.........there has actually been a dearth of WR talent in most of those drafts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 6 hours ago, eball said: Agreed. But I think one thing we've seen is that McDermott is not unwilling to make changes. He gives people the chance to succeed or fail. The troubling part is that McDermott hired Culley to be the QB coach in the first place. Culley had absolutely no experience coaching QBs on the pro level and only a year as a QB coach at a modest collegiate program (SW Louisiana I think) thirty years ago. Position coaches are responsible for helping players master the fundamentals of the position, so they NEED to know how to play the position and teach others how to play it. How could anybody consider Culley to be qualified to be an NFL QB coach, especially for a raw first round QB in more than usual desperate need of coaching? I complained about this last season, and as far as I'm concerned, it raises serious questions about McDermott's competence as a HC. A good HC hires good assistants, and McDermott's failed 4 times already in just 2 seasons: OC Rick Dennison, STC Danny Crossman, OL coach Juan Castillo, and QB coach David Culley. As for Peterman and/or McCarron "mentoring" Allen or not, this is just bull manure. First off, it's NOT the job of backup QBs to be coaching assistants to the QB coach. Second, neither Peterman nor McCarron has enough experience to mentor anybody! If they were to be starters, they would NEED mentoring almost as much as Allen. If the Bills wanted somebody to mentor Allen, they should have kept Taylor, but the whole idea of expecting a player to be a mentor another player is simply stupid. It can happen in the right circumstances where the two players "hit it off", but there is no guarantee it will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 4 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: Like the Rams and Chiefs did.............who played in the SB and AFC championship game, respectively. The formula works. Put elite talent around your inexpensive young QB.............I like John Brown and Beasley but those are not elite players. Not close. An elite talent/true #1 (and that's what Sammy's paid like) produces despite double-coverage (Sammy doesn't). He also gets injured a lot (what's that saying: the best ability is availability?). The Rams fared fine without him and the Chefs would too. The Bills had a chance to add an elite talent in AB but given the way he acted with the Steelers, I was glad they came to their senses and didn't go through with it. Some other #1 WR like Hopkins, Jones, even Green? Sure, but they're not available. Let the Bills develop their own potential elite talent in Foster without hindering him with AB's presence/AB getting pissy that someone else is taking his touches away. 4 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: As I said...........Foster is the hope...........but his actual track record is astonishingly poor. That's why people like you were dumping hard on SkyDiver for hyping him last fall. The same people are penciling him in to be great. Realistically it's putting too many eggs in that basket if you subscribe to the theory that most teams that have been successful with young QB's in recent years do............that you need to put BIG TIME receiving talent around that QB. Also if you think the Bills are even close to the only team with a solid looking group of CB's you aren't paying attention. More than any other position the past two decades the CB position has gotten deeper with talent around the league. Nobody is starting a "punt catcher" or a Kirby Jackson at CB anymore..........the quality of CB talent is high and especially recently there have been A LOT more good CB's enter the league since 2014 than there have been good WR's.........there has actually been a dearth of WR talent in most of those drafts. Go check the archives: I was actually one of the few who didn't bag on Sky Diver and instead said Foster would need to prove himself first before touting him as a superstar. I later (rightfully) bagged-on Foster himself when his pre-demotion play warranted criticism. But after getting back on the active roster and producing, I've been a big supporter of his and even commended Sky Diver on his prediction. The kid showed immense improvement from the start of the season to the end and considering how raw he was/is, how buried he was on the depth chart all off-, pre- and most of the season and how hard he worked and is still working, I see big things for him going forward. Brown and Beasley are going to be the complement to him. And no the Bills aren't the only team with deep CB talent. But they're among the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 (edited) We are off topic a bit but - Foster was exposed to waivers early in the season, then spent time working with Allen and on the practice squad and somehow developed the ability to track the ball in the air. I’ve been watching football for all my life and I’ve NEVER seen a receiver show so much improvement on tracking the long ball, so quickly. It’s borderline unheard of. The Bills themselves didn’t think he could do it which is why they put him on waivers. So I guess kudos to SkyDiver and the rest of you who predicted, despite plenty of evidence to the contrary and the team’s own actions, that Foster would develop into something... but color me skeptical that it was anything more than a lucky guess. Edited March 25, 2019 by Coach Tuesday 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Doc said: An elite talent/true #1 (and that's what Sammy's paid like) produces despite double-coverage (Sammy doesn't). He also gets injured a lot (what's that saying: the best ability is availability?). The Rams fared fine without him and the Chefs would too. The Bills had a chance to add an elite talent in AB but given the way he acted with the Steelers, I was glad they came to their senses and didn't go through with it. Some other #1 WR like Hopkins, Jones, even Green? Sure, but they're not available. Let the Bills develop their own potential elite talent in Foster without hindering him with AB's presence/AB getting pissy that someone else is taking his touches away. And no the Bills aren't the only team with deep CB talent. But they're among the best. 1) The Rams traded a first round pick for Brandin Cooks to replace Watkins and Tyreek Hill emerged as a superstar finishing 4th in the NFL in receiving yards and ypa and 3rd in receiving TD's among all WR's.........so those teams fared fine but not because they didn't have an elite talent at WR for their young QB. 2) Since you are declaring it so......can you actually rank the CB groups around the league? Just the top 10 is fine since those would certainly be "among the best". You don't follow the league very closely but you always argue like you do so guessing you won't be interested in backing up that yap. Edited March 25, 2019 by BADOLBILZ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said: 1) The Rams traded a first round pick for Brandin Cooks to replace Watkins and Tyreek Hill emerged as a superstar finishing 4th in the NFL in receiving yards and ypa and 3rd in receiving TD's among all WR's.........so those teams fared fine but not because they didn't have an elite talent at WR for their young QB. 2) Since you are declaring it so......can you actually rank the CB groups around the league? Just the top 10 is fine since those would certainly be "among the best". You don't follow the league very closely but you always argue like you do so guessing you won't be interested in backing up that yap. 1) Yes and those #1's weren't Sammy. He's a decoy. Always has been, always will be. And the only other shot at getting a #1 WR was AB and the Bills decided that his potential help to Josh wasn't worth the headache he stood a good likelihood of becoming. 2) How about...#1 passing defense in the NFL by over 15 yards/game fewer than the next team? Boom. The funny thing is you think you think you know stuff and you get schooled by those who you think don't. You should talk less and listen more. But good luck with that. Edited March 25, 2019 by Doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 On 1/29/2019 at 11:40 AM, Bray Wyatt said: they had to give him that Assistant HC title I imagine so it would be seen as a promotion, otherwise they couldnt have interviewed him or would have to ask permission As far as I know, only coordinators are regarded as a promotion not requiring a team's permission. Assistant HC (again, as far as I know) doesn't cut it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 10 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: This is what is lost on eball and Doc, IMO. I dunno...I’ll take the guy “who is always open” (Beasley) as a safety net for Josh. I don’t believe I said the Bills shouldn’t continue to look at upgrading the WR corps...I said I don’t think it’s imperative they have a Julio Jones/AJ Green/Antonio Brown to be successful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 On January 29, 2019 at 12:55 PM, FeelingOnYouboty said: Would like to give Matt Canada a call He sounds dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 11 hours ago, Doc said: 1) Yes and those #1's weren't Sammy. He's a decoy. Always has been, always will be. And the only other shot at getting a #1 WR was AB and the Bills decided that his potential help to Josh wasn't worth the headache he stood a good likelihood of becoming. 2) How about...#1 passing defense in the NFL by over 15 yards/game fewer than the next team? Boom. The funny thing is you think you think you know stuff and you get schooled by those who you think don't. You should talk less and listen more. But good luck with that. 1) Are you on record that Foster will match the 2018 production of Cooks and Hill? I mean that would be great but the reason KC acquired Watkins is because they wanted elite talent on both sides of the field at WR. So the notion that you don't need elite talent at WR certainly isn't something the Rams and Chiefs believe in, is it? Seems stupid to try to follow the Brady template when you have a green young QB with an entirely different skill set............and I think the Bills WANT that elite talent but maybe they need to get clubbed on the head this season to realize that it's something they NEED. That's been their MO...........they make dumb mistakes and then fix it the next year. Could be the progression from big slow receivers to quick and fast WR to actual STUD WR is going to be need a 3rd offeason. 2) Exactly what I said..........you don't know the personnel around the rest of the league and yet you think you can stack them up. The guy called Doc with 30K posts that speaks only in vague generalities and moves goal posts says I should talk less and listen more.............that's precious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 10 hours ago, eball said: I dunno...I’ll take the guy “who is always open” (Beasley) as a safety net for Josh. I don’t believe I said the Bills shouldn’t continue to look at upgrading the WR corps...I said I don’t think it’s imperative they have a Julio Jones/AJ Green/Antonio Brown to be successful. If Beasley is "always open" why does he only average about 30 yards receiving per game over his career? Think about it. Weren't you one of the guys predicting Andre Holmes could return to being a 700 yard WR when the Bills acquired him? After a couple years where he averaged 160? We all hope that UFA acquisitions turn out like Lorax and Zach Brown and totally blow away their past production but the reality is you are usually lucky just to get what they had been producing in recent years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 11 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: As far as I know, only coordinators are regarded as a promotion not requiring a team's permission. Assistant HC (again, as far as I know) doesn't cut it. Technically, I think the only thing considered a promotion is becoming a HC. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said: If Beasley is "always open" why does he only average about 30 yards receiving per game over his career? Think about it. Weren't you one of the guys predicting Andre Holmes could return to being a 700 yard WR when the Bills acquired him? After a couple years where he averaged 160? We all hope that UFA acquisitions turn out like Lorax and Zach Brown and totally blow away their past production but the reality is you are usually lucky just to get what they had been producing in recent years. Umm, no, I wasn't. I'm simply referring to a player (Beasley) who was underutilized in Dallas despite having an ability to get open and be a safety net for a QB. That's it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 On 3/24/2019 at 7:52 AM, eball said: Thought I'd add a little recent "inside info" to this thread. Won't reveal my source but the info is trustworthy; otherwise I wouldn't post it. Here are the salient points: 1 -- David Culley was "worthless" with respect to Josh's development (the comment "didn't know what he was doing" was uttered) 2 -- Neither Peterman nor McCarron were helpful 3 -- Once he joined the team Derek Anderson became the de facto QB coach 4 -- The Bills offered Jordan Palmer the QB coach job but Jordan "is enjoying his life the way it is" -- enter Dorsey Take it for what it's worth. We certainly saw the development in Josh towards season end. ...pretty interesting stuff...thanks for sharing........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 5 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: 1) Are you on record that Foster will match the 2018 production of Cooks and Hill? I mean that would be great but the reason KC acquired Watkins is because they wanted elite talent on both sides of the field at WR. So the notion that you don't need elite talent at WR certainly isn't something the Rams and Chiefs believe in, is it? Seems stupid to try to follow the Brady template when you have a green young QB with an entirely different skill set............and I think the Bills WANT that elite talent but maybe they need to get clubbed on the head this season to realize that it's something they NEED. That's been their MO...........they make dumb mistakes and then fix it the next year. Could be the progression from big slow receivers to quick and fast WR to actual STUD WR is going to be need a 3rd offeason. 2) Exactly what I said..........you don't know the personnel around the rest of the league and yet you think you can stack them up. The guy called Doc with 30K posts that speaks only in vague generalities and moves goal posts says I should talk less and listen more.............that's precious. It's not about post counts. Or making people think you know what you're talking by acting like a condescending pompous ass who fills his posts with laughing emojis. Again, the Bills went out and got players they believe will help Josh out. The supply of #1 WR's was limited and they passed on 2 who wore out their welcome with HOF QB's in larger markets and with reputedly model franchises. They may have their own in Foster. But again, Sammy was and never will be a #1 WR so do yourself a favor and stop talking about him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 20 hours ago, Doc said: An elite talent/true #1 (and that's what Sammy's paid like) produces despite double-coverage (Sammy doesn't). He also gets injured a lot (what's that saying: the best ability is availability?). The Rams fared fine without him and the Chefs would too. The Bills had a chance to add an elite talent in AB but given the way he acted with the Steelers, I was glad they came to their senses and didn't go through with it. Some other #1 WR like Hopkins, Jones, even Green? Sure, but they're not available. Let the Bills develop their own potential elite talent in Foster without hindering him with AB's presence/AB getting pissy that someone else is taking his touches away. Go check the archives: I was actually one of the few who didn't bag on Sky Diver and instead said Foster would need to prove himself first before touting him as a superstar. I later (rightfully) bagged-on Foster himself when his pre-demotion play warranted criticism. But after getting back on the active roster and producing, I've been a big supporter of his and even commended Sky Diver on his prediction. The kid showed immense improvement from the start of the season to the end and considering how raw he was/is, how buried he was on the depth chart all off-, pre- and most of the season and how hard he worked and is still working, I see big things for him going forward. Brown and Beasley are going to be the complement to him. And no the Bills aren't the only team with deep CB talent. But they're among the best. ...GOOD stuff Doc......you're always willing to man up with "mea cuplas"......much appreciated... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 Just now, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...GOOD stuff Doc......you're always willing to man up with "mea cuplas"......much appreciated... I try. I didn't feel the need to pile on Sky Diver and I felt bad for what people did to him (I think I even gave him a like when Foster started playing well). It's not unlike when someone posts some inside info and ultimately gets driven away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...pretty interesting stuff...thanks for sharing........ That’s a bunch of horse**** peterman and mccarron might not of been helpful but Culley is far from incompetent McDermott has no problem canning coaches and never got rid of him. Survived Dennison axing and Daboll kept him aboard Edited March 25, 2019 by Buffalo716 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: That’s a bunch of horse**** ...easy there Big Dawg.......NO WHERE did I say I agree.....merely said "pretty interesting stuff...thanks for sharing".....and I also know you are very high on his abilities and I have NO basis to doubt it as well....are we good here?.... Edited March 25, 2019 by OldTimeAFLGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...easy there Big Dawg.......NO WHERE did I say I agree.....merely said "pretty interesting stuff...thanks for sharing".....and I also know you are very high on his abilities and I have NO basis to doubt it as well....are we good here?.... I know you didn’t say anything. And he isn’t off on everything... but it’s pretty easy to label Culley the scapegoat because everybody does but he survived Dennison firing and Daboll hiring. Universally praised by coaches... he is far from inept Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said: I know you didn’t say anything. And he isn’t off on everything... but it’s pretty easy to label Culley the scapegoat because everybody does but he survived Dennison firing and Daboll hiring. Universally praised by coaches... he is far from inept Yeah but what were his qualifications as a QB coach? Prior to the Bills he was a QB coach in college 20 years ago. Since then he's been a WR coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 Just now, Doc said: Yeah but what were his qualifications as a QB coach? Prior to the Bills he was a QB coach in college 20 years ago. Since then he's been a WR coach. I’ve been employed in football my whole life... it’s a tough game.. you go with the better job opportunity and $ he was getting promotions as WR coaches it would be dumb to turn them down ... i had friends who played for Culley who say he is a fantastic offensive coach and can coach anything on offense He was also a D1 QB and has experience at the position. Is he the best QB coach in the league? No... but there are far worse 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 On 3/24/2019 at 7:25 AM, Bangarang said: A guy with absolutely zero history of developing NFL QBs wasn’t able to develop an NFL QB? Who would’ve known? McD and BB don’t look good with the kind of QB room they put Allen in his rookie year. They managed to correct that a little with the Anderson signing. Not sure any of us liked it or understood it even at the time....... I was more like "what is the guys actual role on the team because its not to develop Josh Allen" Looks like they are getting it corrected in Josh Allen year 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: I know you didn’t say anything. And he isn’t off on everything... but it’s pretty easy to label Culley the scapegoat because everybody does but he survived Dennison firing and Daboll hiring. Universally praised by coaches... he is far from inept ...here's how I look at it my friend....25+ years NFL coaching experience...WR/QB or QB/WR Coach , however someone wants to brand his strengths...perhaps more indicative of his talent is that the Ravens hired him with a very, VERY raw talent at QB, drawing on his skills to develop him....haven't WE had respected guys like Lee or Wyche that did not work out in QB development?.....however, add in their pupils as OBD's track record for QB's post Kelly is abysmal.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 34 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: I’ve been employed in football my whole life... it’s a tough game.. you go with the better job opportunity and $ he was getting promotions as WR coaches it would be dumb to turn them down ... i had friends who played for Culley who say he is a fantastic offensive coach and can coach anything on offense He was also a D1 QB and has experience at the position. Is he the best QB coach in the league? No... but there are far worse Fair enough. But he went to Baltimore to be their WR coach. I'd just assume go with a coach who has been coaching QB's consistently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 21 minutes ago, Doc said: Fair enough. But he went to Baltimore to be their WR coach. I'd just assume go with a coach who has been coaching QB's consistently. He actually is assistant HC/ WR coach / passing game coordinator It was a promotion and they obviously trust him to coordinate their passing game... he is working with the QBs too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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