K-9 Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 11 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: I am not sure of his numbers, but I do know that plus /minus is just not used anymore in evaluating players. Even if +/- was still an important indicator, Ekman-Larsson is no where near Risto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 3 hours ago, plenzmd1 said: Thats the rub..who still thinks he is a good defenseman? We need an old school GM you does not believe in Analytics and still like a "physical D Man who doles out hits"..and does not look at expected goals for and against when he is on the ice, possession numbers, high danger chances etc..all areas Risto is just plain awful. I can't see Tampa taking him....but their D is old and unsigned for next year and they are up against the cap, so maybe they would. I could see Bergevin maybe taking him. I dont know who else would..his numbers are just that bad. I say you offer Point at the $10M, which is simply two firsts, a second and a third...and structure it a 4 year deal so he is hitting UFA again at 27..if he doesn't take it at least we hurting Tampa cap. Same with Marner if that does not work with Point..if he stays put the screws to the Leafs. Enough of being friendly..and yep, you gunna have to face the music when #26 hits RFA..but this team needs is desperate..they need to do something to jump start this thing , especially if Housley starts next year behind the bench You are deteriorating. It's bad enough that you want to get rid of the coach but now you want to get rid of the GM. What's next? Start a partition to get rid of the owner? You are incorrigible. In no way am I going to give a highly prized free agent a bonanza contract with the purpose of squeezing an organization such as Toronto that is in a tight cap box. Poking the bear is a good way of in the future getting shiiit on by the same bear. When you kick a team in the nuts when they are vulnerable you are inviting future kick in the nuts for yourself. There are beneficial deals to be made with teams that can't afford or don't want to pay their free agent players the lofty price that is demanded. A good example of that is the Skinner deal with Carolina. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 Just now, JohnC said: You are deteriorating. It's bad enough that you want to get rid of the coach but now you want to get rid of the GM. What's next? Start a partition to get rid of the owner? You are incorrigible. In no way am I going to give a highly prized free agent a bonanza contract with the purpose of squeezing an organization such as Toronto that is in a tight cap box. Poking the bear is a good way of in the future getting shiiit on by the same bear. When you kick a team in the nuts when they are vulnerable you are inviting future kick in the nuts for yourself. There are beneficial deals to be made with teams that can't afford or don't want to pay their free agent players the lofty price that is demanded. A good example of that is the Skinner deal with Carolina. I was prolly not as clear as I should have been, that's on me. What I meant is that in order for the Sabres to find a trade partner for Risto, the other team needs to have an old school GM who believes the Eye test is worth more than the story told by the analytics. Risto untradeable to a guy like Dubas in TO. And I have no idea why you would not offer sheet players. I would think there are going to be more than a few this year..and what do you have to lose if you are GMJB. He gets fired next year if they don't make the playoffs..so who cares at that point. https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/brian-burke-offer-sheets-william-nylander-trading-chris-pronger/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 1 hour ago, K-9 said: Risto is a point getting defensemen. Problem is, he’s not much of a point preventing defensemen. I like Risto as he’s one of our only players with any kind of jam in his game. And it’s unfair that he’s logged big minutes against top opponents since he arrived. Ideally, he would be paired with a more defensive oriented partner. His pairing with Scandella is not his fault, either. Ekman-Larsson is simply a better player, both offensively and defensively. Like Erik Karlsson, he drives offensive play on a shift to shift basis since he’s been in the league. Not sure he’s worth three firsts or not, but he’d fetch more than Risto at this stage. I don’t necessarily want to trade him as I think he’d be more effective paired with a better D partner and not forced to play big, key minutes every night. We screwed up his development in that regard, too. Something else that the "we have improved" crowd doesn't acknowledge is that this year's team is not the same as last year's team. If you want to show improvement, you have to try and compare apples to apples. I.E., the simple addition of Dahlin to this year's team, even if we ignore all other factors, is probably good for a slight bump. Or to put it another way, had Dahlin been on last year's team, that team would have done a little better than it did. So the difference between last year's team and this year's team is narrower than some claim. You also have to adjust for the arrival of Skinner, who is on pace for easily achieving a career goal scoring year. Again, put him on last year's team and that team ends up with more points than it had, also narrowing the gap to this year's team. It' kind of like adjusting for inflation. Adjust for added talent this year, and overall team performance in all other areas may actually be considered worse this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 Yay! We aren’t losing yet! Seven straight periods without scoring and counting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 Ok, now we’re losing. Shocker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 (edited) Feel sorry for Skinner. I mean there’s not much of a drop off between having Eichel as your center vs. Sobotka, but still. At least he has Pommer on the other wing to add some speed, though. Edited March 15, 2019 by K-9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 The TANK is on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 Now up to eight straight periods without scoring a goal. On the the bright side, we’ve only given up three goals after two periods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 4 minutes ago, K-9 said: Now up to eight straight periods without scoring a goal. On the the bright side, we’ve only given up three goals after two periods. I want the Sabres to not score another goal for the rest of the season. It might be the only way to get the HC fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 10 minutes ago, Boca BIlls said: I want the Sabres to not score another goal for the rest of the season. It might be the only way to get the HC fired. They could go winless and scoreless for the rest of the season and Housley’s job would still be safe. JBotts made too strong a public comittmemt too recently to suggest otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 Just back from dinner, game as bad as score? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 15 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: Just back from dinner, game as bad as score? Every bit as bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfanmiami(oh) Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 I tuned in just in time to catch the last two min. Glad I didn’t waste any time watching and was productive getting some stuff packed for our upcoming move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimKellyTryouts Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 What the **** is this ****ing **** Will Housley even last the rest of the season? What hope is there moving forward to improve our secondary scoring? The lottery? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 (edited) Three straight games being shutout. What is our record for most games without a goal? Just wondering if Housley has a chance to add that to his growing stellar resume. Edited March 15, 2019 by K-9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark80 Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 Housley has to go. Has to. But honestly, I'm also seriously contemplating whether Jack has the right stuff to lead this team. Obviously his skill level is off the charts, but can he motivate other guys to be better too? Sure hasn't looked that way from where I'm watching. I'm really struggling seeing the silver lining with this team at this point. I am. They have simply rolled over and given up. So frustrating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 I haven’t seen a collective team quit like that since the Redskins game a few years back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 48 minutes ago, K-9 said: They could go winless and scoreless for the rest of the season and Housley’s job would still be safe. JBotts made too strong a public comittmemt too recently to suggest otherwise. Doesn't matter what he said before, Housley cannot be HC next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 Just now, Boca BIlls said: Doesn't matter what he said before, Housley cannot be HC next season. I know that and you know that, but JBotts doesn’t know that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted March 15, 2019 Author Share Posted March 15, 2019 I am so sick of this team. They are so damn fragile. They play a pretty good 1st period, then the Pens come out pushing in the 2nd and Buffalo just epically collapses once again, only this time even worse than normal. Any hope from earlier in the season I had, that there may actually finally be a light at the end of the tunnel, is long long gone. I am usually a pretty positive guy, but I am having a hard time finding any positives anymore. This team just looks years away from being competitive at the moment. I have to believe Housley’s job has possibly been put in jeopardy by this recent slide, no matter what Botterill says. But if they do move on from a 4th coach in a row after 2 (ish) years, they absolutely Have To getnit right. I’d want a good veteran coach, assuming one would come here (Quenneville supposedly said he doesn’t want to go to a rebuild, so...). We can’t keep making changes every couple years. But something has to give here. I can’t see them bringing back the coaching staff if the season ends with this current slide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 I like Phil Housley but this is just sad; and please stop with the "talent level" craaaaaaaaaaaaap. If they're so bad why not just trade our entire roster to Seattle and we get the expansion draft? Maybe Housley could coach them up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 Teams tend to play like they practice and practice like they’re coached. Earlier, people found comfort in confusing effort with results. Now that the effort isn’t there, it’s become intolerable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted March 15, 2019 Author Share Posted March 15, 2019 feel for the guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 19 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said: feel for the guy It has to be devastating in a way that only experience allows one to understand. Truly awful. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helpmenow Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 They have quit on housley Sabres space message board is lame as well. I think they are owned by Pegula. Time to fire all of them including botterill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 34 minutes ago, Helpmenow said: They have quit on housley Sabres space message board is lame as well. I think they are owned by Pegula. Time to fire all of them including botterill. It certainly seems like they have quit on the coach. We've lost 6 in a row now. Saturday night we play in Carolina, then home against St. Louis, and then Toronto at home next Wednesday night. What if we lose an ugly one to our rival the Maple Leafs on home ice, and it is our NINTH LOSS in a row? Will that get anyone fired around here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 Anyone still defending Housley over here? JohnC? This is beyond ugly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 Tank you very much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 10 hours ago, BillsFan4 said: ...(Quenneville supposedly said he doesn’t want to go to a rebuild, so...). I'm sure Q is well aware that teams that aren't rebuilding aren't looking to hire new coaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helpmenow Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 The Sabres have got rid of everybody. Results are the same. What is going on behind the scene. I think the players don’t believe in phil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helpmenow Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 #90 in saint louis is laughing right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q-baby! Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Helpmenow said: #90 in saint louis is laughing right now. Will that be Skinner next year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 13 hours ago, BillsFan4 said: I am so sick of this team. They are so damn fragile. They play a pretty good 1st period, then the Pens come out pushing in the 2nd and Buffalo just epically collapses once again, only this time even worse than normal. Any hope from earlier in the season I had, that there may actually finally be a light at the end of the tunnel, is long long gone. I am usually a pretty positive guy, but I am having a hard time finding any positives anymore. This team just looks years away from being competitive at the moment. I have to believe Housley’s job has possibly been put in jeopardy by this recent slide, no matter what Botterill says. But if they do move on from a 4th coach in a row after 2 (ish) years, they absolutely Have To getnit right. I’d want a good veteran coach, assuming one would come here (Quenneville supposedly said he doesn’t want to go to a rebuild, so...). We can’t keep making changes every couple years. But something has to give here. I can’t see them bringing back the coaching staff if the season ends with this current slide. Why are you still watching? I don't get why people willing sit through something that they know will make them miserable. This season has been lost for months now. You might as well find something else far more worth your time. And I don't mean to single you out on this one. I see so many comments lately about how horrible the games are and I will never understand why they keep watching, especially at this point in the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 7 minutes ago, shrader said: Why are you still watching? I don't get why people willing sit through something that they know will make them miserable. This season has been lost for months now. You might as well find something else far more worth your time. And I don't mean to single you out on this one. I see so many comments lately about how horrible the games are and I will never understand why they keep watching, especially at this point in the season. Yep..gave up a good 10 games back or so..i did somewhat check in on the Leafs game.... I like watching the post-game though so the auto record is still happening.One could see this team was dead in the water in January. My o my, where does this team go next year if Skinner bolts? Duchene i guess is an option for 2C..but prollly too much money there. Breadman ain't coming if the rumors true he wants big city and Ocean. Pay the dude in CA to rig the lottery like he rigged SATs? On a serious note..season tickets below 10K next year? Have to think that. I can see average crowds in November and December next year of 12K, except for Bills doubleheader weekends. And Terry gonna push hard for those, as he did this year. I cant see crowds coming back in force until the Sabres are firmly in playoff position in February. Fool me once effect will be in full force, even if they have another good start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 43 minutes ago, shrader said: Why are you still watching? I don't get why people willing sit through something that they know will make them miserable. This season has been lost for months now. You might as well find something else far more worth your time. And I don't mean to single you out on this one. I see so many comments lately about how horrible the games are and I will never understand why they keep watching, especially at this point in the season. I will never understand the mentality of "sports fans" like you. For some reason, your ilk makes up about 90% of these online sports discussion forums. In real life I never seem to stumble into people like this. Not everyone here is a casual sports fan looking for a cheap "feel good" thrill watching their team win. Some of us have an interest in the team that transcends having a casual good time, and want to discuss that team no matter what is going on with it, good or bad. Life is about ups and downs and if you are a fan, you have to take the good with the bad. If Buffalo sports fans weren't thick skinned and in it for the long haul, there wouldn't be any left! These are 2 of the historically worst run franchises in N. American sports history. If you just want to have fun and enjoy watching a good team win, why in the world would you choose to root for sports teams from Buffalo? I don't understand you at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
\GoBillsInDallas/ Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 Let's have some fun. Here is the current roster, sorted by forwards/defense/goalie. Jack Eichel (C) Zemgus Girgensons Johan Larsson Casey Mittelstadt Alexander Nylander Kyle Okposo (A) Jason Pominville Sam Reinhart Evan Rodrigues Conor Sheary Jeff Skinner Vladimir Sobotka Tage Thompson Scott Wilson Zach Bogosian (A) Rasmus Dahlin Matt Hunwick Jake McCabe Brandon Montour Casey Nelson Rasmus Ristolainen Marco Scandella Carter Hutton Linus Ullmark Questions: 1. What forwards on the roster would you consider to currently be NHL "top six" 2. What forwards on the roster would you consider to be NHL "top six" in two years 3. What defensemen on the roster would you consider to currently be NHL "top four" 4. What defensemen on the roster would you consider to be NHL "top four" in two years 5. What goalie on the roster would you consider to currently be NHL "starter" 6. What goalie on the roster would you consider to be NHL "starter" in two years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 (edited) 50 minutes ago, shrader said: Why are you still watching? I don't get why people willing sit through something that they know will make them miserable. This season has been lost for months now. You might as well find something else far more worth your time. And I don't mean to single you out on this one. I see so many comments lately about how horrible the games are and I will never understand why they keep watching, especially at this point in the season. Yep, the games are beyond horrible. But there are things still worth watching in terms of wanting to see Dahlin continue his emergence, Skinner getting to 40, Jack just putting up points, etc. I can be thoroughly disgusted with the coaching and the effort and the mind boggling lack of skill in this Charmin soft team and still find some nuggets to polish. Doesn’t mean I can’t continue to be critical of them, though. That’s my right as a fan. EVERY player who’s been here since the tank needs to be gone. All of them. The aging vets need to be gone. Pommers, Okposo, all of them. Housley is in way over his head as a head coach as evidenced by his sub .400 pace since he’s been behind the bench*, his inability to adapt to his roster, his line combinations, his defense pairings, his uneven accountability standards, etc. He needs to be gone as well. Edit: Almost forgot the all important asterisk noting the exception of the fluke 10 game streak which articifially inflates Housley’s record. 4 minutes ago, \GoBillsInDallas/ said: Let's have some fun. Here is the current roster, sorted by forwards/defense/goalie. Jack Eichel (C) Zemgus Girgensons Johan Larsson Casey Mittelstadt Alexander Nylander Kyle Okposo (A) Jason Pominville Sam Reinhart Evan Rodrigues Conor Sheary Jeff Skinner Vladimir Sobotka Tage Thompson Scott Wilson Zach Bogosian (A) Rasmus Dahlin Matt Hunwick Jake McCabe Brandon Montour Casey Nelson Rasmus Ristolainen Marco Scandella Carter Hutton Linus Ullmark Questions: 1. What forwards on the roster would you consider to currently be NHL "top six" 2. What forwards on the roster would you consider to be NHL "top six" in two years 3. What defensemen on the roster would you consider to currently be NHL "top four" 4. What defensemen on the roster would you consider to be NHL "top four" in two years 5. What goalie on the roster would you consider to currently be NHL "starter" 6. What goalie on the roster would you consider to be NHL "starter" in two years 7. What coach would you consider to be NHL quality. Edited March 15, 2019 by K-9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 (edited) 20 minutes ago, \GoBillsInDallas/ said: Questions: 1. What forwards on the roster would you consider to currently be NHL "top six"...Jack, Sam, Skinner 2. What forwards on the roster would you consider to be NHL "top six" in two years..Casey 3. What defensemen on the roster would you consider to currently be NHL "top four.....Zach, Dahlin, Mountour, McCabe, Nelson 4. What defensemen on the roster would you consider to be NHL "top four" in two years.. 5. What goalie on the roster would you consider to currently be NHL "starter"...none 6. What goalie on the roster would you consider to be NHL "starter" in two years..llmark 4 1 Edited March 15, 2019 by plenzmd1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 24 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: I will never understand the mentality of "sports fans" like you. For some reason, your ilk makes up about 90% of these online sports discussion forums. In real life I never seem to stumble into people like this. Not everyone here is a casual sports fan looking for a cheap "feel good" thrill watching their team win. Some of us have an interest in the team that transcends having a casual good time, and want to discuss that team no matter what is going on with it, good or bad. Life is about ups and downs and if you are a fan, you have to take the good with the bad. If Buffalo sports fans weren't thick skinned and in it for the long haul, there wouldn't be any left! These are 2 of the historically worst run franchises in N. American sports history. If you just want to have fun and enjoy watching a good team win, why in the world would you choose to root for sports teams from Buffalo? I don't understand you at all. Blah blah blah, masochism. I get it. But yeah, you're not a fan unless subscribe to a set list of rules. There are no exceptions. The arrogance of being a fan of ***** is truly something to behold. I am an out of market fan. I'm not sure what others situations are. But I have to put down money in order to watch a Buffalo team. The thought of paying in order to watch something that is guaranteed to disappoint is not something I want to sign up for anymore. I've had enough recently of paying an assload of money for something with zero return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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