New York State abortion bill now allows babies, At any point of pregnancy, to be aborted

[Hedge]

More PP news:

 

 

[3rdnlng]

[B-Man]

 

 

With the recent DOJ ruling let’s all get something straight here.

 

It’s not hypocritical to believe murderers should get the death penalty and unborn babies shouldn’t.

 

It is hypocritical to believe murderers shouldn’t get the death penalty but unborn babies should.

 

 

 

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[B-Man]

 

 

Does NARAL have a summer intern doing its social media? Because they usually try a lot harder than this to convince women to shout their abortions and shame those who’d prefer a “Handmaid’s Tale” theocracy under President Mike Pence.

NARAL

✔@NARAL

 

If you don’t like abortion, don’t have one. Problem solved.

7:23 PM - Jul 25, 2019

 

 

So does this mean, conversely, that if you have an abortion, it means you must like abortion? Because we know NARAL likes abortion.

 

They sure have given us a lot to mull over, that’s for sure.

 

 

If you don't like slavery, don't own a slave.

If you don't like murder, don't kill anyone.

If you don't like theft, don't steal.

 

If you don't like opioids, don't take them!

 

"If you don't like semi automatic /automatic rifles,don't have one"

Problem solved...

Oh wait, no. https://twitter.com/NARAL/status/1154532534249807872 …

 

 

 

That's incredibly intellectually lazy.

 

 

 

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[B-Man]

 

[3rdnlng]

13 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

Abortion is a big part of Reproductive Health? I think I can address that:

 

 

 

[B-Man]

Obianuju Ekeocha shares powerful video of African American pro-life activist Delores Grier taking racist pro-choice APART 

 

 

[Hedge]

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

 

OUT: SELF-DEPORTATION. IN: SELF-DEFUNDING. Planned Parenthood May Reject Federal Funds Over Trump Administration Rule. 

 

“Despite years of fighting calls to ‘defund Planned Parenthood,’ the reproductive healthcare organization may now voluntarily remove itself from a massive government funding program, after a federal appeals court allowed a controversial new abortion rule to go forward.”

 

 

 

But what about Women's Health !!

 

 

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Edited August 19, 2019 by B-Man

[B-Man]

Today’s The Deadline: Will Planned Parenthood Get Defunded After All By … Planned Parenthood? Update: Self-Defunds

This is akin to finding out that Dan Hedaya was Keyser Soze. The years-long effort to defund Planned Parenthood may have finally succeeded, the Daily Beast reported over the weekend, because the nation’s leading abortion mill may refuse to take the money. A new rule prohibiting abortion counseling and referrals from Title X providers will remain in place, and Planned Parenthood management may refuse to participate as long as it does — which they have to decide today:

 

{snip}

 

At issue are two decisions by the Ninth Circuit over the rule change, both of which favor the Trump administration. Planned Parenthood sued to overturn the rule, but the appellate court initially decided that the rule could be enforced while Planned Parenthood’s legal challenge proceeded, refusing to impose a temporary restraining order. Planned Parenthood then demanded an en banc hearing of that decision, but the court denied the request — unanimously, it seems:

 

Why didn’t Planned Parenthood appeal directly to the Supreme Court? Come on, man. If the Ninth Circuit can’t find a reason to block a Trump administration policy, what chance did an appeal to the Supreme Court have? That’s what makes this statement on the denial for an en banc hearing so interesting. Planned Parenthood couldn’t get even one judge on the Ninth Circuit to vote to rehear their case. That’s not exactly a vote of confidence in their argument on the merits.

 

Update: They’re officially out:

Planned Parenthood said Monday it will withdraw from the federal Title X program that helps low-income people access contraception rather than comply with what it calls a new Trump administration “gag rule” that prohibits it from providing abortion referrals to those patients.

The announcement comes amid a protracted legal battle with the White House over changes to the nearly 50-year-old Title X program, which annually provides $286 million to healthcare providers to fund family planning services such as birth control. The administration required grantees to explain by Monday how they would comply with the new rule.

The decision by Planned Parenthood — which gets about $60 million in funding — is the latest in a years-long battle between abortion rights supporters and Republicans, who have advocated to eliminate all federal funding for abortion providers and to “defund” Planned Parenthood.

 

They could still win this case when it comes to trial. However, until that happens, Planned Parenthood has cut itself off from Title X funds, essentially giving Trump his “defund” victory.

 

 

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[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

 

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[B-Man]

A Dover, New Hampshire, art gallery will feature an exhibit titled, “Normalizing Abortion: Self-Portraits and Stories,” the aim of which is to showcase the abortion experiences of local women.

 

 

Edited August 25, 2019 by B-Man

[3rdnlng]

1 hour ago, B-Man said:

A Dover, New Hampshire, art gallery will feature an exhibit titled, “Normalizing Abortion: Self-Portraits and Stories,” the aim of which is to showcase the abortion experiences of local women.

 

 

It would appear to be time to replace one of our national holidays with "Abortion Day" since abortion has become such a stalwart part of our fiber. I'm looking for suggestions on what holiday should be replaced and the rationalization for doing so. Please don't go the low hanging fruit route and suggest the replacement of Christmas. That holiday swap is reserved for a decade or two down the road when we want to celebrate "Infanticide Day". Thanksgiving might be a possible holiday to replace with "Abortion Day". We could even have a campaign slogan along the lines of "Save A Turkey, Use Those Tongs on A Baby Instead".

[Koko78]

9 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

It would appear to be time to replace one of our national holidays with "Abortion Day" since abortion has become such a stalwart part of our fiber. I'm looking for suggestions on what holiday should be replaced and the rationalization for doing so. Please don't go the low hanging fruit route and suggest the replacement of Christmas. That holiday swap is reserved for a decade or two down the road when we want to celebrate "Infanticide Day". Thanksgiving might be a possible holiday to replace with "Abortion Day". We could even have a campaign slogan along the lines of "Save A Turkey, Use Those Tongs on A Baby Instead".

 

Columbus Day. It honors a racist white guy whose racist actions led to the racist genocide of the Indigenous Peoples, as well as racist colonial slavery in 1619.

 

Also, he was a racist white guy.

[3rdnlng]

10 minutes ago, Koko78 said:

 

Columbus Day. It honors a racist white guy whose racist actions led to the racist genocide of the Indigenous Peoples, as well as racist colonial slavery in 1619.

 

Also, he was a racist white guy.

So, now we're going to have Abortion Day and Indigenous People Day competing for the same holiday? Will abortion tools win out over the bow and arrow and hatchet?

 

Edited August 25, 2019 by 3rdnlng

[RiotAct]

9 hours ago, B-Man said:

A Dover, New Hampshire, art gallery will feature an exhibit titled, “Normalizing Abortion: Self-Portraits and Stories,” the aim of which is to showcase the abortion experiences of local women.

 

 

oh man, I’ll be F5ing like crazy to try and score tickets to this one!!!

 

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[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

 

I cannot comprehend this line of 'thinking'

 

Having been at thousands of births, many a few days early, they are cheering killing a baby.

 

 

 

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[3rdnlng]

17 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

 

 

I cannot comprehend this line of 'thinking'

 

Having been at thousands of births, many a few days early, they are cheering killing a baby.

 

 

 

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Think of all the coat hangers saved by simply having abortions being legal up until 7th grade.

[Joe Miner]

3 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

 

 

I cannot comprehend this line of 'thinking'

 

Having been at thousands of births, many a few days early, they are cheering killing a baby.

 

 

 

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Quick follow up question.

 

Are you stupid?

[jrober38]

5 hours ago, B-Man said:

I cannot comprehend this line of 'thinking'

 

Having been at thousands of births, many a few days early, they are cheering killing a baby.

 

 

 

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I don't understand why anyone cares. 

 

Late term abortions represent about 1.3% of all abortions in the US. 

 

Babies are literally never aborted the day before the due date unless the baby is completely unviable or the mother's health is in grave danger. 

 

Based off data, 50 to 250 total babies were aborted after the 28th week in 2018. 

 

Right wing media would lead you to believe this type of thing is happening all the time, when in reality it's not a common occurrence whatsoever. 

 

I have two healthy kids and could never have imagined having to abort either pregnancy. However, I simply couldn't care less if something like this happens at the rate it actually happen. 

Edited August 27, 2019 by jrober38

[TakeYouToTasker]

1 hour ago, jrober38 said:

 

I don't understand why anyone cares. 

 

Late term abortions represent about 1.3% of all abortions in the US. 

 

Babies are literally never aborted the day before the due date unless the baby is completely unviable or the mother's health is in grave danger. 

 

Based off data, 50 to 250 total babies were aborted after the 28th week in 2018. 

 

Right wing media would lead you to believe this type of thing is happening all the time, when in reality it's not a common occurrence whatsoever. 

 

I have two healthy kids and could never have imagined having to abort either pregnancy. However, I simply couldn't care less if something like this happens at the rate it actually happen. 

 

I assume, then, that if 1.3% (that’s 1 in 77) infant fatalities were caused by people having their own children hacked to death or drawn and quartered, you’d be totally cool with that as well?

[row_33]

1 hour ago, jrober38 said:

 

I don't understand why anyone cares. 

 

 

 

okay, don't bother wading into arguments with people that do care

 

 

[jrober38]

15 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said:

 

I assume, then, that if 1.3% (that’s 1 in 77) infant fatalities were caused by people having their own children hacked to death or drawn and quartered, you’d be totally cool with that as well?

 

Honestly I don't care.

 

Anyone choosing to have an abortion is doing so for whatever reason they choose. 

 

Maybe they were raped, maybe the baby is expected to have major disabilities, maybe the mother's life is in danger.

 

250 "full term" babies, of which a good chunk probably won't survive long beyond birth due to birth defects or missing organs in a country of 330 MILLION people isn't something I care much about. 

[row_33]

35 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

Honestly I don't care.

 

Anyone choosing to have an abortion is doing so for whatever reason they choose. 

 

Maybe they were raped, maybe the baby is expected to have major disabilities, maybe the mother's life is in danger.

 

250 "full term" babies, of which a good chunk probably won't survive long beyond birth due to birth defects or missing organs in a country of 330 MILLION people isn't something I care much about. 

 

20 minutes spent telling us you don't care....

 

 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

8 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

 

 

I cannot comprehend this line of 'thinking'

 

Having been at thousands of births, many a few days early, they are cheering killing a baby.

 

 

 

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Hell awaits.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

2 hours ago, jrober38 said:

 

Honestly I don't care.

 

Anyone choosing to have an abortion is doing so for whatever reason they choose. 

 

Maybe they were raped, maybe the baby is expected to have major disabilities, maybe the mother's life is in danger.

 

250 "full term" babies, of which a good chunk probably won't survive long beyond birth due to birth defects or missing organs in a country of 330 MILLION people isn't something I care much about. 

Does anything change if the child is born, and 10-30 minutes later the woman decides to terminate the child's life?  Let's assume the numbers are the same.  250 babies born, let's even say 10% suffer from birth defects ranging from Down's Syndrome to birthmarks to cleft palate.  Some have an unknown father/sperm donor, and some women say they were victims of sexual assault. 

 

All good? 

 

And, what's up with putting "full term" in quotes?  Is there a fuller term? 

 

Edited August 28, 2019 by leh-nerd skin-erd

[DC Tom]

3 hours ago, jrober38 said:

 

I don't understand why anyone cares. 

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Based off data, 50 to 250 total babies were aborted after the 28th week in 2018. 

 

 

The current position of the Democratic Party is that it should be 1) much more common, 2) elective for the convenience of the mother, and 3) fully taxpayer-funded despite being elective.

 

You don't understand why people care?  

[SoCal Deek]

Why does anyone care? Really? There are a grand total of Ten Commandments. Did you skip over the one about Thou Shalt Not Kill? That’s one of the simpler ones! 

[jrober38]

1 hour ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Does anything change if the child is born, and 10-30 minutes later the woman decides to terminate the child's life?  Let's assume the numbers are the same.  250 babies born, let's even say 10% suffer from birth defects ranging from Down's Syndrome to birthmarks to cleft palate.  Some have an unknown father/sperm donor, and some women say they were victims of sexual assault. 

 

All good? 

 

And, what's up with putting "full term" in quotes?  Is there a fuller term? 

 

 

Because a baby is considered late term for roughly 50% of a pregnancy. 

 

Late term is once a baby reaches 20 weeks.

 

If all goes to plan, a baby should be in the womb for 39 weeks.

 

1.3% of all albortions are late term, and only up to 250 of those happen after the 28th week, how many of those do you think happen in the final days leading up to a due date?

 

How many do you think happen after a baby is born?

 

Your probably talking about fewer than 10 abortions a year in a country of 330 million people.

 

Think of all the things in the world no one cares about that kill more than 10 Americans per year. There are a ton of them.

1 hour ago, DC Tom said:

 

The current position of the Democratic Party is that it should be 1) much more common, 2) elective for the convenience of the mother, and 3) fully taxpayer-funded despite being elective.

 

You don't understand why people care?  

 

1 and 2 aren't true.

 

3 is true mostly because the Democratic Party believes tax payers should fund all health care. 

[Koko78]

38 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Why does anyone care? Really? There are a grand total of Ten Commandments. Did you skip over the one about Thou Shalt Not Kill? That’s one of the simpler ones! 

 

 

[B-Man]

5 hours ago, jrober38 said:

 

I don't understand why anyone cares. 

 

Late term abortions represent about 1.3% of all abortions in the US. 

 

Babies are literally never aborted the day before the due date unless the baby is completely unviable or the mother's health is in grave danger. 

 

Based off data, 50 to 250 total babies were aborted after the 28th week in 2018. 

 

Right wing media would lead you to believe this type of thing is happening all the time, when in reality it's not a common occurrence whatsoever. 

 

I have two healthy kids and could never have imagined having to abort either pregnancy. However,

 

I simply couldn't care less if something like this happens at the rate it actually happen. 

 

 

 

I am glad that I read this while I was down in Pennsylvania and unable to immediately respond.

 

It gave me a chance to calm down.

 

The fact that you have to ask if it is commonplace is a dead giveaway of either your ignorance on abortion or your deliberate blindness

 

Your attempts to sound "fair to all sides" is a losing one.

 

Even if it was just one baby aborted out of the 300 million in the US the day before it was to be born..........................What is your response to a Democrat candidate for President saying that a baby COULD be aborted at 9 1/2 months and his band of followers CHEERING that statement.

 

Don't hide behind the "what if" numbers that you keep parroting,

 

 

My wife was an OB nurse for over twenty years, and as I have stated, in my capacity as Nursing Supervisor at several hospitals, I have been involved with ALL facets of Maternity and childbirth.

 

 

 

3 hours ago, jrober38 said:

 

Honestly I don't care.

 

Anyone choosing to have an abortion is doing so for whatever reason they choose. 

 

Maybe they were raped, maybe the baby is expected to have major disabilities, maybe the mother's life is in danger.

 

250 "full term" babies, of which a good chunk probably won't survive long beyond birth due to birth defects or missing organs in a country of 330 MILLION people isn't something I care much about. 

 

Maybe they just don't want the responsibility, 

 

 

 

 

You also bring out the all-time favorite of the excuses...............the life of the mother............(Ironic, your use of the term mother instead of woman)

 

There is NO situation in the third trimester where the baby cannot be delivered instead of aborted to save the 'mother's life

 

 

Reminder from earlier in the thread.

Quote

 

Omar L. Hamada, MD, MBA‏ @OmarHamada Jan 23

 

I want to clear something up so that there is absolutely no doubt.

I’m a Board Certified OB/GYN who has delivered over 2,500 babies.

There’s not a single fetal or maternal condition that requires third trimester abortion.

 

Not one. Delivery, yes. Abortion, no.

 

 

 

 

 

On 1/24/2019 at 10:44 AM, TakeYouToTasker said:

 

There are no medical scenarios which require a doctor to kill a baby before delivering it for the physical health of the mother.  None.

 

The baby is completely viable in the third term, and is being delivered either way.  Killing is first is 100% elective, and serves no medical purpose.

 

This is precisely the reason "health" was left vague within the law. 

 

 

 

 

 

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Edited August 28, 2019 by B-Man

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

37 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

Because a baby is considered late term for roughly 50% of a pregnancy. 

 

Late term is once a baby reaches 20 weeks.

 

If all goes to plan, a baby should be in the womb for 39 weeks.

 

1.3% of all albortions are late term, and only up to 250 of those happen after the 28th week, how many of those do you think happen in the final days leading up to a due date?

 

How many do you think happen after a baby is born?

 

Your probably talking about fewer than 10 abortions a year in a country of 330 million people.

 

Think of all the things in the world no one cares about that kill more than 10 Americans per year. There are a ton of them.

 

1 and 2 aren't true.

 

3 is true mostly because the Democratic Party believes tax payers should fund all health care. 

Ah, I see.  I thought maybe your perspective was that full term was reached when a fetus turned 18. 

 

You sidestepped the rest of the scenario, which is your right as the woman that carried you  chose not to abort you an hour/a day/two weeks before you passed from one side of the flesh to the other.  Lucky you.  

 

I really just wondered if things changed when the legal argument moved from a persons right to choose to a question of infanticide.  I'm guessing not, given the relatively high percentage of children not killed by their parents. 

[jrober38]

10 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Ah, I see.  I thought maybe your perspective was that full term was reached when a fetus turned 18. 

 

You sidestepped the rest of the scenario, which is your right as the woman that carried you  chose not to abort you an hour/a day/two weeks before you passed from one side of the flesh to the other.  Lucky you.  

 

I really just wondered if things changed when the legal argument moved from a persons right to choose to a question of infanticide.  I'm guessing not, given the relatively high percentage of children not killed by their parents. 

 

Do you actually think people are out there in the US killing infants after they've been born?

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

1 hour ago, jrober38 said:

 

Do you actually think people are out there in the US killing infants after they've been born?

Yes, but only because it happens. 

[Hedge]

2 hours ago, jrober38 said:

 

Do you actually think people are out there in the US killing infants after they've been born?

 

What do you think the intended outcome of this was?

Newborn Baby Found Alive in Dumpster After Allegedly Being Abandoned by Teen Mom

 

You can find these types of stories every month, except most of them end with a dead newborn. And these are the only the ones that make the news, because they were not done in the presence of a "health" worker.

 

I believe these were posted earlier in the thread (although i think this a longer, and even more ridiculous, Kathy Tran video):

 

 

 

[row_33]

2 hours ago, jrober38 said:

 

Do you actually think people are out there in the US killing infants after they've been born?

 

you can't be this ignorant, i'm finished with you

 

[B-Man]

3 hours ago, jrober38 said:

 

Do you actually think people are out there in the US killing infants after they've been born?

 

 

 

I am sure the number is extremely low

 

So......................to quote another poster........

 

 

19 hours ago, jrober38 said:

 

I don't understand why anyone cares. 

 

Late term abortions represent about 1.3% of all abortions in the US. 

 

Babies are literally never aborted the day before the due date unless the baby is completely unviable or the mother's health is in grave danger. 

 

Based off data, 50 to 250 total babies were aborted after the 28th week in 2018. 

 

Right wing media would lead you to believe this type of thing is happening all the time, when in reality it's not a common occurrence whatsoever. 

 

I have two healthy kids and could never have imagined having to abort either pregnancy.

 

However, I simply couldn't care less if something like this happens at the rate it actually happen. 

 

 

 

 

 

.

[row_33]

doesn't care but has spent HOURS now telling us....

 

bloody fool

 

[B-Man]

In Court Hearing, Planned Parenthood Employee Admits To Trafficking In Baby Body Parts

by Lauren Fink

Original Article

 

Day one of the preliminary hearing for pro-life activist David Daleiden kicked off Tuesday morning at the San Francisco Superior Court with testimony from an abortion technician, a third-trimester abortionist, and a vice president of the National Abortion Federation, who testified she doesn’t know what a human tissue procurement company is or does.

 

NAF Vice President of External Affairs Melissa Fowler also testified she recognized StemExpress—a human tissue procurement lab exposed in Daleiden’s undercover videos that is now under federal investigation—as a repeat vendor of her for-profit organization. NAF is a third-party abortion trade group.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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