Clemfield2622 Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 11 minutes ago, Magox said: This is going to be one of the most anticipated exciting off seasons that I can remember in a very long time. $100 Million in cap space with 10 draft picks! If managed properly you can address a lot of needs with that. Don't get me wrong, I'm excited about the cap room, but there are several other, BETTER teams, with a ton of cap room as well. Playoff teams like Indy, Houston, and Dallas all have 50 + mil. As far as 10 picks go, all the extra picks are day 3, so not going to get overly excited for that. They blew 2 2's and 3 3's in trades for Benjamin, Zay, Allen and Edmunds. That's 5 potential impact starters. Let's hope those guys develop to make it worth it. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 4 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: I mentioned Cam Newton specifically because Brandon Beane has referenced Cam Newton by name when asked about what he looks for in a Franchise Quarterback, so he thinks he’s one. When asked why Josh Allen after the draft he weaved in Cam Newton’s name into Allen’s running ability from designed plays. We’ve seen the multitude of ex-Panthers they’ve brought in. I think that’s a big reason Allen is here. He reminds them of Cam Newton, and the “Panther model” got both McD and Beane their highest level of achievement to date in the sport. Regardless, this regime has everything they want now. They didn’t settle for the QB they took, they got the man they ranked #1 overall. There should be no excuses now about culture or cap or scheme. It’s McDermott’s culture, it’s his style of play, he has time to review all the film. 2019 should bring real progress in the win column. You must have missed the lack of talent along the Oline and receiver postions when you were assessing whether or not "this regime has everything they want now." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 13 hours ago, pop gun said: Oh so now 2019 is just be able to compete year. When do we actually become a top tier contender? 2020? 2021? How long do we have to wait? This BS tear down thingy was BS and unneeded if we aren't going to be competative until 2020 or later. Uncalled for when we made the playoffs in 2017, with Rex players at that. He's talking about compete AND contend. Not just be competitive. Doesn't anyone think anymore? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 13 hours ago, PUNT750 said: I really can’t believe the 3 year re-build plan for the Bills will have much success in 2019. Regardless of 10 draft picks and $90 mil in cap space it doesn’t make sense. Realistically we need new, quality; O Lineman (3), WR (3), RB (2), LB (1), TE (1), DB (1), DL (1) That’s 12 total to be competitive!! We’re going to have to over-pay for quality, top tier free-agents to come to Buffalo. We all know the risks with drafts picks in their rookie seasons (Zay Jones, Teller, McCloud and even Edmunds). It just doesn’t happen. I love believing in the PROCESS but with a young, raw QB who is still unproven while trying to blend a plethora of new players into a competent NFL team seems unrealistic. It may sell tickets but not win a lot of games. GO BILLS! Ok class. How many contradictions do you see in the above story? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 I don’t believe is insurmountable, and we could improve to 7-9 to 9-7, and outside chance of 10-6. 2020 could be the year we go on a run and deep in the playoffs. I’m not in for throwing in the towel. They had so much to fix these two years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 (edited) 49 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: He's talking about compete AND contend. Not just be competitive. Doesn't anyone think anymore? Not many. Blindly believe in the process, right! Oh the irony. Edited December 25, 2018 by pop gun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 14 hours ago, Magox said: They dont need all that to be competitive. With 2 good o-linemen and a WR alone they can compete. They need more than but with that they can compete. Specially if you assume, logically, that you will have a second year improved Allen and Foster That's pretty minimal. I'd say with 3 OL, 1 WR, and 1 RB along with as you said, Foster and particularly Allen very much improved they can be very competitive. The good news is that even through the draft OL and RB can compete at the NFL level immediately. Even the right WR has a good shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 1 hour ago, billsfan1959 said: You must have missed the lack of talent along the Oline and receiver postions when you were assessing whether or not "this regime has everything they want now." I know, for most Bills fans every position has to be perfect before a regime can be judged. I thought 10 draft picks and a boatload of cash, an elite culture and a handpicked QB were the most important centerpieces to real expectations and winning. My bad, because we do not have a Franchise LG we can’t expect any real winning next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: I know, for most Bills fans every position has to be perfect before a regime can be judged. I thought 10 draft picks and a boatload of cash, an elite culture and a handpicked QB were the most important centerpieces to real expectations and winning. My bad, because we do not have a Franchise LG we can’t expect any real winning next season. They haven't made those draft picks yet. They haven't used any of that cap space for free agents yet. So how can they have eveything they need? Why don't we just wait and see what happens. Honestly, your posts are nonsensical. Edited December 25, 2018 by billsfan1959 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: I know, for most Bills fans every position has to be perfect before a regime can be judged. I thought 10 draft picks and a boatload of cash, an elite culture and a handpicked QB were the most important centerpieces to real expectations and winning. My bad, because we do not have a Franchise LG we can’t expect any real winning next season. Agreed It's almost as if these blind process believers have finally seen there are a lot of holes and a lot of work that needs to be accomplished this next offseaseon and have already started making excuses as to why the Bills might not be good next year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckyBoys Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 14 hours ago, PUNT750 said: I really can’t believe the 3 year re-build plan for the Bills will have much success in 2019. Regardless of 10 draft picks and $90 mil in cap space it doesn’t make sense. Realistically we need new, quality; O Lineman (3), WR (3), RB (2), LB (1), TE (1), DB (1), DL (1) That’s 12 total to be competitive!! We’re going to have to over-pay for quality, top tier free-agents to come to Buffalo. We all know the risks with drafts picks in their rookie seasons (Zay Jones, Teller, McCloud and even Edmunds). It just doesn’t happen. I love believing in the PROCESS but with a young, raw QB who is still unproven while trying to blend a plethora of new players into a competent NFL team seems unrealistic. It may sell tickets but not win a lot of games. Lot of holes but they can get by with 3 OL, a #1 wr (core will be fine with a true #1 who can win 1 on 1 matchups in press man), 1rb, 1 lb, 1 dl Another very good corner would be nice but they can get by with what they have. Teams haven't been killing the Bills in the air or deep. I don't even think of TE Bills never use the TE much anyways so that would be a luxury GO BILLS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 (edited) 18 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: They haven't made those draft picks yet. They haven't used any of that cap space for free agents yet. So how can they have eveything they need? Why don't we just wait and see what happens. Honestly, your posts are nonsensical. This regime will be in Year 3. Jauron made it 3.5 seasons, Gailey got 3 seasons, Marrone quit after 2, Rex got canned after 2. The clock should be ticking on 14-17 McD. It’s time for the bar of expectation to go up. Beane and McDermott blew a lot of draft capital last season on Allen and Edmunds. They now have the cap space, the draft picks, and owner backing in 2019 to make the jump. 9-7, 5-10 is same as always. For The Process to actually mean anything the winning needs to start and fans need to stop making excuses and caveats for everything that goes wrong. I swear Bills fans make more excuses to explain away poor results. I expect better than the 31st rated offense next year, I don’t care if the OLine isn’t perfect or the WRs are new. They have their QB who they traded Glenn, #12, #53 and #56 for. They chose not trade McCoy and so on. Get results. Edited December 25, 2018 by Straight Hucklebuck 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckyBoys Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 5 hours ago, BillsFan1988 said: Does anyone here really respect Cam Newton as an elite franchise QB. I think he's a teir 2 QB maybe from 11-15 best in league. He was pretty dominant when they had some skill position players and his body was right. Olsen is always broke. Steve Smith got old retired Benjamin got fat/traded. They have Mccaffrey who is a stud. I'm not sure Newton can be a top 10 qb without using his body to run Big part of his game Read option and the run fake to set up downfield shots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, DuckyBoys said: He was pretty dominant when they had some skill position players and his body was right. Olsen is always broke. Steve Smith got old retired Benjamin got fat/traded. They have Mccaffrey who is a stud. I'm not sure Newton can be a top 10 qb without using his body to run Big part of his game Read option and the run fake to set up downfield shots It doesn’t really matter. The men who are paid to run the Bills modeled their QB after Newton. That’s what they want. So we can debates it all day, but in the end that’s their template for a Franchise QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 1 hour ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: I mentioned Cam Newton specifically because Brandon Beane has referenced Cam Newton by name when asked about what he looks for in a Franchise Quarterback, so he thinks he’s one. When asked why Josh Allen after the draft he weaved in Cam Newton’s name into Allen’s running ability from designed plays. We’ve seen the multitude of ex-Panthers they’ve brought in. I think that’s a big reason Allen is here. He reminds them of Cam Newton, and the “Panther model” got both McD and Beane their highest level of achievement to date in the sport. Regardless, this regime has everything they want now. They didn’t settle for the QB they took, they got the man they ranked #1 overall. There should be no excuses now about culture or cap or scheme. It’s McDermott’s culture, it’s his style of play, he has time to review all the film. 2019 should bring real progress in the win column. You have no way of knowing that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 11 minutes ago, pop gun said: Agreed It's almost as if these blind process believers have finally seen there are a lot of holes and a lot of work that needs to be accomplished this next offseaseon and have already started making excuses as to why the Bills might not be good next year. As long as they can find a reason to explain why something happened it’s like all judgement must stop. This is the reason so it’s okay, it’s normal to accept losing. But don’t you worry someday out in the future we’ll be dominating, just you wait and see. Can’t judge Allen, he’s a rookie. Can’t judge McDermott, he doesn’t have his guys yet. Can’t judge Edmunds, he’s 20-21 years old. Can’t judge McCoy because he’s behind a bad OLine. Can’t judge the WR’s because they are all young. So this is how it goes. Every year the can of expectations gets kicked down the road until the current regime gets fired. Then we start fresh with the new scheme excuses and the GM is not on the same page as the Coach and the timeline for winning stretches out for another 3 years. Just now, Nextmanup said: You have no way of knowing that. Our GM said he would have traded more to get Allen. That’s their guy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 13 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: I'm not being an idiot, but is the "we need lineman and wide receivers" mantra going to be the built-in excuse for 2019 if they fail? Because it shouldn't be, that's what I'm saying. It's time for McDermott to get it done and stop saying he needs to review the tape. Yes, along with "too many new pieces, not enough time to gel." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: As long as they can find a reason to explain why something happened it’s like all judgement must stop. This is the reason so it’s okay, it’s normal to accept losing. But don’t you worry someday out in the future we’ll be dominating, just you wait and see. Can’t judge Allen, he’s a rookie. Can’t judge McDermott, he doesn’t have his guys yet. Can’t judge Edmunds, he’s 20-21 years old. Can’t judge McCoy because he’s behind a bad OLine. Can’t judge the WR’s because they are all young. So this is how it goes. Every year the can of expectations gets kicked down the road until the current regime gets fired. Then we start fresh with the new scheme excuses and the GM is not on the same page as the Coach and the timeline for winning stretches out for another 3 years. I've judged all these people already. I wanted to fire McD after all those blowout losses when Allen was struggling, but then Allen came back and looked great and I realized I really jumped the gun on that one. By all means, say what you think, please do. If the facts are on your side you'll win every argument. If you jump the gun like me though you can look idiotic, which is why I try to judge objectively and patiently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckyBoys Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 4 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: This regime will be in Year 3. Jauron made it 3.5 seasons, Gailey got 3 seasons, Marrone quit after 2, Rex got canned after 2. The clock should be ticking on 14-17 McD. It’s time for the bar of expectation to go up. Beane and McDermott blew a lot of draft capital last season on Allen and Edmunds. They now have the cap space, the draft picks, and owner backing in 2019 to make the jump. 9-7, 5-10 is same as always. For The Process to actually mean anything the winning needs to start and fans need to stop making excuses and caveats for everything that goes wrong. I swear Bilks fans make more excuses to explain away poor results. I expect better than the 31st rated offense next year, I don’t care if the OLine isn’t perfect or the WRs are new. They have their QB who they traded Glenn, #12, #53 and #56 for. They chose not trade McCoy and so on. Get results. They don't win 10 games in 2019 McDermott/Beane are gone. Beane gutted the roster to rebuild. They used draft/fa heavy on defense and spent a lot of draft capital for Allen/Edmunds. Enough is enough, get the right pieces in and field a decent team 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, NewDayBills said: I've judged all these people already. I wanted to fire McD after all those blowout losses when Allen was struggling, but then Allen came back and looked great and I realized I really jumped the gun on that one. By all means, say what you think, please do. If the facts are on your side you'll win every argument. If you jump the gun like me though you can look idiotic, which is why I try to judge objectively and patiently. Which is why I say - McD and Beane have a pile of cash and draft picks in 2019, along with their hand picked QB to get some results. They earned the opportunity based on the 2017 Playoff appearance. But the 2018 season has used up that goodwill. In 2019 the mantra about watching tape and culture need to stop and winning needs to start happening. Fine 2018 was about learning and seeing what you have. 2019 can not be the same story. Edited December 25, 2018 by Straight Hucklebuck 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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