Doc Brown Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 The only rookie QB to me that looks like an almost certain franchise QB at this point is Baker Mayfield. Darnold, Allen, Rosen, and Jackson are having typical rookie QB seasons. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted November 26, 2018 Author Share Posted November 26, 2018 19 minutes ago, Bangarang said: So when Allen has a bad game, people bang the table saying it’s too soon to judge him. When he has a decent game it’s perfectly okay to come to conclusions? Which Josh do you prefer ? 6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Exactly. It's bonkers. Josh played well yesterday. It was probably all things considered his best game for the Bills. But the too early to judge argument still applies. When we can start to get excited is if he begins to stack good performances one on top of the other. I don’t see any reason why Allen won’t be a long time answer at the qb position with a little progression and some reinforcements on the OL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 33 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: I don’t see any reason why Allen won’t be a long time answer at the qb position with a little progression and some reinforcements on the OL. Let's hope so. A couple of his better throws yesterday were called back for offensive line penalties (and needless OL penalties as well... it wasn't as though the holds prevented sacks). I still worry about his short game. You don't bring home the bacon week after week in the NFL with bombs. You have to have consistent chain movers. But yesterday did show some growth and some progress and a step in the right direction. He needs to stack good games together and the schedule the rest of the way gives him an opportunity to do that. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 (edited) 9 hours ago, Teddy KGB said: “Right Josh” throws for 105 yards in a 35 point loss “Wrong Josh” runs for 100 yards and throws for 160 in a 3 point win “Right Josh” has 10 td’s 11 int’s and a 2-6 record (two wins vs 49ers) RIP to the Rosen > Allen crowd RIP to the Taylor > Allen crowd It's way way way too early to know about either guy. Gunner's post here makes sense. There's reason for hope ... for both of them, really. Edited November 26, 2018 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted November 26, 2018 Author Share Posted November 26, 2018 Just now, Thurman#1 said: The only thing that's RIP at this point is your good sense in this particular case. It's way way way too early to know about either guy. Gunner's post here makes sense. Wrong. The Taylorheads just sank from 6 to 7 feet deep yesterday. The Rosen-ites are making zero posts lately for a reason. Maybe that one guy can change his screen name Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 (edited) 7 hours ago, Rico said: Stats are for losers, the only thing that matters are wins. Josh got the win today, advantage Josh. Nah. The Bills got the win today. Advantage the Bills. Wins are not a QB stat, they are a team stat. 7 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: Wrong. The Taylorheads just sank from 6 to 7 feet deep yesterday. The Rosen-ites are making zero posts lately for a reason. Maybe that one guy can change his screen name Who is posting about what might not have negative relevance to what these two guys will become and what will be said about their careers in the future, but it sure doesn't have any relevance above zero. It's way way way too early to know about Rosen and Allen. And the Taylorheads mostly disappeared within a month of letting him go. Sorry you saw my post before I edited it for politeness, or rather for my rudeness. Edited November 26, 2018 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted November 26, 2018 Author Share Posted November 26, 2018 8 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said: Nah. The Bills got the win today. Advantage the Bills. Wins are not a QB stat, they are a team stat. Who is posting about what might not have negative relevance to what these two guys will become and what will be said about their careers in the future, but it sure doesn't have any relevance above zero. It's way way way too early to know about Rosen and Allen. And the Taylorheads mostly disappeared within a month of letting him go. Sorry you saw my post before I edited it for politeness, or rather for my rudeness. All is well ??. I enjoy your posts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 Just now, Teddy KGB said: All is well ??. I enjoy your posts Cool. I enjoy yours too even when I disagree. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richardb1952 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 (edited) I know it's early, but I definitely like how Allen is progressing. You can actually see he is learning on the job and improving. I am looking forward to next year with a better line protecting him and more weapons on offense around him. While I like that he has the ability to run, I hope Bills won't have to rely on that ability in the long haul. As to who will be the better QB? Who cares. I think Allen is the type of QB that Bills fans are going to love. Edited November 26, 2018 by richardb1952 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 2 hours ago, richardb1952 said: I know it's early, but I definitely like how Allen is progressing. You can actually see he is learning on the job and improving. I am looking forward to next year with a better line protecting him and more weapons on offense around him. While I like that he has the ability to run, I hope Bills won't have to rely on that ability in the long haul. As to who will be the better QB? Who cares. I think Allen is the type of QB that Bills fans are going to love. People may take this next statement and make it into a hot take or run off with some rant about blah, blah, blah... BUT, I see some Aaron Rodgers in Josh Allen and think in the future Allen will use his wheels the way Rodgers does: buying time, scrambling to make the play and yes, advance the chains when nothing else is available. Now, Allen of course has a loooooong ways to go to be as accurate or cerebral as Rodgers in pre-snap reads, quick throws and miracle games, but arm strength and mobility is most of what I'm referring to. Josh showed some decent poise in the pocket and absolute cold steel on the throw to Foster, which was one of the best passes I've seen from a Bills QB since Jim Kelly. And that's due to the pressure, standing in and delivering a strike. Just a thing of beauty. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 (edited) 11 hours ago, Teddy KGB said: “Right Josh” throws for 105 yards in a 35 point loss “Wrong Josh” runs for 100 yards and throws for 160 in a 3 point win “Right Josh” has 10 td’s 11 int’s and a 2-6 record (two wins vs 49ers) RIP to the Rosen > Allen crowd RIP to the Taylor > Allen crowd Wrong Josh is 3-3 as a starter, including a loss in the Texans game that he didn't get to finish. Wrong Josh has 3 TD passes, but also 4 rushing TDs in 6 games. Edited November 26, 2018 by dollars 2 donuts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 3 hours ago, Teddy KGB said: Which Josh do you prefer ? Brolin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4BillsintheBurgh Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 I like that Josh was able to execute the scripted plays well, tells me if he can learn to read a defense he will do well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 10 hours ago, The Red King said: I like numbers. Let's see...how many points did Tyrod put up against JAX in the playoff game? And how many did Allen put up on them today? Jacksonville is 3-8 this year. They are not the dominant team they were last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 21 minutes ago, BigBuff423 said: People may take this next statement and make it into a hot take or run off with some rant about blah, blah, blah... BUT, I see some Aaron Rodgers in Josh Allen and think in the future Allen will use his wheels the way Rodgers does: buying time, scrambling to make the play and yes, advance the chains when nothing else is available. Now, Allen of course has a loooooong ways to go to be as accurate or cerebral as Rodgers in pre-snap reads, quick throws and miracle games, but arm strength and mobility is most of what I'm referring to. Josh showed some decent poise in the pocket and absolute cold steel on the throw to Foster, which was one of the best passes I've seen from a Bills QB since Jim Kelly. And that's due to the pressure, standing in and delivering a strike. Just a thing of beauty. Give Allen another 2 years, like Rodgers got. 16 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said: Wrong Josh is 3-3 as a starter, including a loss in the Texans game that he didn't get to finish. Wrong Josh has 3 TD passes, but also 4 rushing TDs in 6 games. If Good Josh had finished the Texans game, the Bills would have won. I have no doubt. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 Would have been better to start TT until the bye and let Allen come in and be a better version of TT which is what I've said he'll be all along. Maybe a Cam clone, but not a pocket passer people said we needed when they let TT go. If he runs for 40+ per game they'll be better for it, I mean they'll be the same team we had with TT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Doc said: Give Allen another 2 years, like Rodgers got. If Good Josh had finished the Texans game, the Bills would have won. I have no doubt. It was a beautiful pass for the TD by Nate, but I 100% agree with you. As a matter of witness, it seemed like Josh's QB world was opening up a bit even on that eventual TD drive, the one he got hurt on. Either a timely pass or running it for needed first downs I think we would have squeaked out of there with a win. Would we be truly in the hunt for the playoffs if he ended up just leaving after the game? No, but 5-6 (4-4 in the AFC) would have us seriously in the hunt. Edited November 26, 2018 by dollars 2 donuts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 2 minutes ago, CuddyDark said: Would have been better to start TT until the bye and let Allen come in and be a better version of TT which is what I've said he'll be all along. Maybe a Cam clone, but not a pocket passer people said we needed when they let TT go. If he runs for 40+ per game they'll be better for it, I mean they'll be the same team we had with TT. He's had 6 starts in his career. He made many plays within the pocket yesterday and most importantly, he attempts throws that we weren't willing to make in the past few seasons. That's the biggest difference. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted November 26, 2018 Author Share Posted November 26, 2018 10 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: Jacksonville is 3-8 this year. They are not the dominant team they were last year. Same defense 5 minutes ago, CuddyDark said: Would have been better to start TT until the bye and let Allen come in and be a better version of TT which is what I've said he'll be all along. Maybe a Cam clone, but not a pocket passer people said we needed when they let TT go. If he runs for 40+ per game they'll be better for it, I mean they'll be the same team we had with TT. No TT is Trash. Thank the browns for the 3rd and let’s keep it moving 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 12 hours ago, Teddy KGB said: “Right Josh” throws for 105 yards in a 35 point loss “Wrong Josh” runs for 100 yards and throws for 160 in a 3 point win “Right Josh” has 10 td’s 11 int’s and a 2-6 record (two wins vs 49ers) This reminded me of reading 'Goofus and Gallant' in Highlites magazine in the dentist's office back in the 60s. No flaw in the reasoning or subject matter...it just reminded me of that. Carry on. ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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