Thurmal34 Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 How do folks feel about the right to vote as an American citizen? Lots of takes in play: - Should all Americans be automatically registered as voters at 18? - Should that right be taken away if convicted of a crime or is it inalienable? - Should there be independent bodies that govern and demarcate districts at both the federal and state level? - Is the goal to restrict the eligible voting populace or to expand it? What is the reasoning for either approach? Curious to learn where folks are on this. Thx! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurmal34 Posted November 17, 2018 Author Share Posted November 17, 2018 Maybe ppl don't want to reply? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 Everybody wants what's best for themselves. Take it from there.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeginnersMind Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, Thurmal34 said: Maybe ppl don't want to reply? Give people the benefit of the doubt at 11 on Friday night. This board has a lot of white guys without kids. It’s Red Dead Redemption night in America. I liked voting by mail when I used to travel a lot. It allowed me to do my research and vote at my liesure. So I’d like the ability to vote by mail. I like Oregon’s opt out at license registration. Once a criminal pays their dues, they should be allowed to vote. If some legislative body wants to split a baby and leave off murderers and sex offenders so be it. Voter ID laws are long overdue. How hard is it to carry an ID? Voting machines need updating. I’m looking at chads in Florida. In 2018. Open primaries would ease the stranglehold of the parties and make it harder for extreme candidates. This is a state issue. But as a registered non-affiliated voter, I get no say in primaries in my state. Also not against ranked choice voting where in big elections, you vote for 3 candidates. #1 vote getter wins. Some states have this and it would also mitigate the extremists. The founders set up a lot of checks to populism and extremists. It might be time for some updating. Most of the country is not polarized, but the people who shout the most and are in forums like this are. Edited November 17, 2018 by BeginnersMind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 6 hours ago, Thurmal34 said: Maybe ppl don't want to reply? Maybe you are drunk again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 12 hours ago, Thurmal34 said: Maybe ppl don't want to reply? You are a waste of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 16 hours ago, Thurmal34 said: How do folks feel about the right to vote as an American citizen? Lots of takes in play: - Should all Americans be automatically registered as voters at 18? - Should that right be taken away if convicted of a crime or is it inalienable? - Should there be independent bodies that govern and demarcate districts at both the federal and state level? - Is the goal to restrict the eligible voting populace or to expand it? What is the reasoning for either approach? Curious to learn where folks are on this. Thx! The voting age should be raised to 21 and voluntary relinquishment of voting rights should be a condition of receiving Federal public assistance. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 9 hours ago, BeginnersMind said: It’s Red Dead Redemption night in America. Only on days ending in Y 11 minutes ago, Rob's House said: The voting age should be raised to 21 With an exemption for active duty military 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Rob's House said: The voting age should be raised to 21 and voluntary relinquishment of voting rights should be a condition of receiving Federal public assistance. The voting age should be raised to 26. If you're parents still pay for your medical care, you shouldn't be allowed to vote. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 15 minutes ago, DC Tom said: The voting age should be raised to 26. If you're parents still pay for your medical care, you shouldn't be allowed to vote. I'd be ok with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 Professors Lalley, Weyl and Posner of (I Believe) the Chicago School of Economics came up with quadratic voting. For Corporate shareholder voting, shareholders could participate by buying votes which vary in value based on quantity. The formula was a calculus equation that I can't follow. The money put in was to have been distributed among the shareholders. In a public election scenarios, they modified it to give every voter 10 votes and the votes could be cast in any combination, depending on how important a particular race was to the voter. So someone could cast one vote for ten different candidates, or ten for one, or any combination they so chose. No buying or selling votes in that case. I dont know know if either of these ideas were ever tried. They obviously made the case for the results being more equitable, and preventing someone from buying an election, no matter how much they spent. I don't think the 10 votes idea is in the link, below -- it mainly deals with Corporate governance. I think Posner came up with that later. Also, if you search for "quadratic voting" you will note that there are already blockchain programs being developed to handle elections run that way. https://chicagounbound.uchicago.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=11400&context=journal_articles 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Miner Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 2 hours ago, snafu said: Professors Lalley, Weyl and Posner of (I Believe) the Chicago School of Economics came up with quadratic voting. For Corporate shareholder voting, shareholders could participate by buying votes which vary in value based on quantity. The formula was a calculus equation that I can't follow. The money put in was to have been distributed among the shareholders. In a public election scenarios, they modified it to give every voter 10 votes and the votes could be cast in any combination, depending on how important a particular race was to the voter. So someone could cast one vote for ten different candidates, or ten for one, or any combination they so chose. No buying or selling votes in that case. I dont know know if either of these ideas were ever tried. They obviously made the case for the results being more equitable, and preventing someone from buying an election, no matter how much they spent. I don't think the 10 votes idea is in the link, below -- it mainly deals with Corporate governance. I think Posner came up with that later. Also, if you search for "quadratic voting" you will note that there are already blockchain programs being developed to handle elections run that way. https://chicagounbound.uchicago.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=11400&context=journal_articles You have idiots in Florida that can't find the part of the ballot to vote for their senator. Or they can't thoroughly punch a ballot. Imagine giving those morons this 10 vote system. Florida doesn't have people smart enough to do a recount with the current system. Imagine making them recount this 10 vote system 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 23 hours ago, Thurmal34 said: How do folks feel about the right to vote as an American citizen? Lots of takes in play: - Should all Americans be automatically registered as voters at 18? - Should that right be taken away if convicted of a crime or is it inalienable? - Should there be independent bodies that govern and demarcate districts at both the federal and state level? - Is the goal to restrict the eligible voting populace or to expand it? What is the reasoning for either approach? Curious to learn where folks are on this. Thx! -Sure, I'd be fine with automatic registration. But the rolls should come from the IRS. If you filed a tax return, you are automatically registered to vote. If you didn't, you aren't. Simple as that. -No rights should be inalienable. If you demonstrate that you can't act like a human being, you shouldn't be treated like one. -Sure, assuming there is still such a thing as an independent body. I'm not sure that's the case. -There should be no such 'goal' either way. All who contribute to the greater good should be eligible to participate. But those who can't be bothered to educate themselves or drag their lazy ass off the couch to vote should not be encouraged to do so. The only reason anyone would encourage an ignorant voter to go to the polls is if they thought the person was going to vote the way they wanted and manipulating the ignorant is already destroying our system. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 (edited) Eliminate all government taxes. Every government program must be put on the ballot. Charge $1 per vote. Unlimited amount of votes. Open to any person in the world via internet transaction. Money generated will fund that specific program only. Edited November 18, 2018 by unbillievable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azalin Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 29 minutes ago, unbillievable said: Eliminate all government taxes. Every government program must be put on the ballot. Charge $1 per vote. Unlimited amount of votes. Open to any person in the world via internet transaction. Money generated will fund that specific program only. Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeginnersMind Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 3 hours ago, unbillievable said: Eliminate all government taxes. Every government program must be put on the ballot. Charge $1 per vote. Unlimited amount of votes. Open to any person in the world via internet transaction. Money generated will fund that specific program only. What’s your drink of choice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 On 11/17/2018 at 5:10 AM, BeginnersMind said: This board has a lot of white guys without kids. Derp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outsidethebox Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 On 11/17/2018 at 5:10 AM, BeginnersMind said: Give people the benefit of the doubt at 11 on Friday night. This board has a lot of white guys without kids. It’s Red Dead Redemption night in America. I liked voting by mail when I used to travel a lot. It allowed me to do my research and vote at my liesure. So I’d like the ability to vote by mail. I like Oregon’s opt out at license registration. Once a criminal pays their dues, they should be allowed to vote. If some legislative body wants to split a baby and leave off murderers and sex offenders so be it. Voter ID laws are long overdue. How hard is it to carry an ID? Voting machines need updating. I’m looking at chads in Florida. In 2018. Open primaries would ease the stranglehold of the parties and make it harder for extreme candidates. This is a state issue. But as a registered non-affiliated voter, I get no say in primaries in my state. Also not against ranked choice voting where in big elections, you vote for 3 candidates. #1 vote getter wins. Some states have this and it would also mitigate the extremists. The founders set up a lot of checks to populism and extremists. It might be time for some updating. Most of the country is not polarized, but the people who shout the most and are in forums like this are. Why do you hate white men? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeginnersMind Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, westside said: Why do you hate white men? Making an observation. Maybe I’m wrong and this board represents a political socio racial economic cross section of America. Bahahaha. No comment on the vote discussion? Edited November 18, 2018 by BeginnersMind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 Just now, BeginnersMind said: Making an observation. Maybe I’m wrong and this board represents a cross section of America. No comment on the vote discussion? Are football fans in general a cross section of America? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 7 minutes ago, BeginnersMind said: Making an observation. Maybe I’m wrong and this board represents a political socio racial economic cross section of America. Bahahaha. No comment on the vote discussion? And he was also making an observation. If you had made a blanket statement about black females with 6 kids the Intarwebs would have blown up. The sentiment and statement are the same but change the nouns and see what happens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeginnersMind Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, KD in CA said: Are football fans in general a cross section of America? Not sure on age politics race and $$, but probably at least male dominated. But I was making an observation about the board in a jibe at the drunk guy. This board is definitely honkey right. 6 minutes ago, /dev/null said: And he was also making an observation. If you had made a blanket statement about black females with 6 kids the Intarwebs would have blown up. The sentiment and statement are the same but change the nouns and see what happens His “observation” is that I hate white men. That would be news to me and most of my best friends are white guys and my family has a lot of them. It’s just him trying to incite something he believes to be true. Not taking up the points of discussion. I wouldnt make the comments about black mothers, not being one. Edited November 18, 2018 by BeginnersMind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, BeginnersMind said: Not sure on age politics race and $$, but probably at least male dominated. But I was making an observation about the board in a jibe at the drunk guy. This board is definitely honkey right. I'd say it's closer to 'honkey common sense'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeginnersMind Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, KD in CA said: I'd say it's closer to 'honkey common sense'. Touche. But we agree on honkey dominated. This is the kind of consensus we need in Politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 14 minutes ago, /dev/null said: And he was also making an observation. If you had made a blanket statement about black females with 6 kids the Intarwebs would have blown up. The sentiment and statement are the same but change the nouns and see what happens Prog-fascists say racist things, believe in racist principles - all the while pretending they're not racists (or glowing mother fukkers). It's what they do. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeginnersMind Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 (edited) I love how making a joke about white guys playing the new cowboy video game on Friday night makes me a racist. I try not to indulge your illness DR but you’re sometimes too amusing for me to resist. You win this round in getting me to respond. Edited November 18, 2018 by BeginnersMind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, BeginnersMind said: I love how making a joke about white guys playing the new cowboy video game on Friday night makes me a racist. I try not to indulge your illness DR but you’re sometimes too amusing for me to resist. You win this round in getting me to respond. But he has a point.....has the left not gone off the deep end with all the hypocritical 'racist' bullsh-- ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeginnersMind Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, KD in CA said: But he has a point.....has the left not gone off the deep end with all the hypocritical 'racist' bullsh-- ? Of course! Though there is also real racist ***** (see Charlottesville) and it’s important to call it out too. Edited November 18, 2018 by BeginnersMind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, BeginnersMind said: Of course! Though there is also real racist ***** (see Charlottesville) and it’s important to call it out too. Right...there are still a handful of KKK nuts running around. Which completely justifies the left's attempting to characterize half the country as racist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 17 minutes ago, KD in CA said: Right...there are still a handful of KKK nuts running around. Which completely justifies the left's attempting to characterize half the country as racist. He's not worth the time or effort. He's dishonest and a racist (who doesn't know he's a racist because he thinks he's enlightened - which makes him a dangerous idiot to boot). In other words, he's a prog fascist asshat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeginnersMind Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 1 hour ago, KD in CA said: Right...there are still a handful of KKK nuts running around. Which completely justifies the left's attempting to characterize half the country as racist. There problem is more than a “handful of KKK nuts,” as I’m sure you know. The people who overblow the issue of race do the victims of racism no favors. But we can leave it since this is not the thread for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 (Cut and pasted, weird fonts = not a real poster) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outsidethebox Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 2 hours ago, BeginnersMind said: Making an observation. Maybe I’m wrong and this board represents a political socio racial economic cross section of America. Bahahaha. No comment on the vote discussion? I can't get past your racism to comment 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, westside said: I can't get past your racism to comment No, no, no. He's not racist. He's enlightened. Making blanket assumptions about people's race and culture is allowed so long as you believe you're better than those people you're casting aspirations against. Thinking he's racist for making racist comments makes YOU the racist, Westside. /Progfascist NPC talking point 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outsidethebox Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 5 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: No, no, no. He's not racist. He's enlightened. Making blanket assumptions about people's race and culture is allowed so long as you believe you're better than those people you're casting aspirations against. Thinking he's racist for making racist comments makes YOU the racist, Westside. /Progfascist NPC talking point Thanks DR, I always forget how enlightened snowflakes are. What was I thinking? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 Just now, westside said: Thanks DR, I always forget how enlightened snowflakes are. What was I thinking? That's your problem, you were thinking when should have been feeling 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outsidethebox Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 Just now, /dev/null said: That's your problem, you were thinking when should have been feeling Now I got all these feelings! Not sure what I should do!! I'm not used to all this emotion. ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeginnersMind Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 (edited) 23 minutes ago, westside said: I can't get past your racism to comment Making a joke about white guys playing video cowboy video games got your parties in a bunch too? Sorry to offend you too. Edited November 18, 2018 by BeginnersMind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 Now it was a "joke". Can't even be honest about his feelings... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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