keepthefaith Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 The amount of media attention she's getting is insane until you weigh the entertainment value - for both political sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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boyst Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 4 hours ago, keepthefaith said: The amount of media attention she's getting is insane until you weigh the entertainment value - for both political sides. it's oddly just the same amount if not slightly a little less than Sarah Palin got Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Wow... "AOC Derangement Syndrome" in full force." What's to be scared about a silly "little girl"... A socialist , commie. Hope that way of thinking doesn't catch fire. Like taxing the extremely rich 70%... ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 15 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Wow... "AOC Derangement Syndrome" in full force." What's to be scared about a silly "little girl"... A socialist , commie. Hope that way of thinking doesn't catch fire. Like taxing the extremely rich 70%... ? 70%? Ya "Her way of thinking," which is taking other peoples money, has been around for years. She is not an original, and it is called stealing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 2 hours ago, sherpa said: 70%? Ya "Her way of thinking," which is taking other peoples money, has been around for years. She is not an original, and it is called stealing. ah yes, but they have a license to steal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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/dev/null Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 3 hours ago, sherpa said: 70%? Ya "Her way of thinking," which is taking other peoples money, has been around for years. She is not an original, and it is called stealing. All taxation is theft. But a 70% rate is nearing serfdom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 4 hours ago, sherpa said: 70%? Ya "Her way of thinking," which is taking other peoples money, has been around for years. She is not an original, and it is called stealing. It's not stealing if services are provided. Expensive services, but services. LoL... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 2 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: It's not stealing if services are provided. Expensive services, but services. LoL... But you are not the recipient of all of the services that you are paying for. And those who do not pay receive a visit from armed individuals to coerce payment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, /dev/null said: All taxation is theft. But a 70% rate is nearing serfdom Come on!... What's better than a doable Socialist? https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/why-does-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-get-so-much-attention-from-the-right/amp/ https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5c3154e9e4b0733528336e49 "But what does Ocasio-Cortez know about tax policy? “A lot,” said the headline of an opinion piece Saturday in The New York Times by Nobel economics laureate Paul Krugman. A similar tax rate was imposed in the U.S. for 35 years after World War II, which included some of the “most successful periods of economic growth in history,” Krugman wrote. Tax cuts for the ultra wealthy mean far less to them than cuts for people with modest incomes, Krugman noted. And extra money in millions of hands boosts spending. “A policy that makes the rich a bit poorer will affect only a handful of people, and will barely affect their life satisfaction, since they will still be able to buy whatever they want,” Krugman wrote" Where there is smoke, there is fire... Oops. 9 minutes ago, /dev/null said: But you are not the recipient of all of the services that you are paying for. And those who do not pay receive a visit from armed individuals to coerce payment Sure we are recipients. Armed individuals. Which ones? Be thankful their not the Taliban wanting your head rolling down the stairs. Pick your poison. Edited January 6, 2019 by ExiledInIllinois Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 9 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: It's not stealing if services are provided. Expensive services, but services. LoL... Such a cost for the "services" the victims of such a confiscatory tax policy would likely cause many actions not benefitting our little experiment here, and there is a reason such tax policy has been rejected and changed in the past. I always find it amusing when past growth rates are connected to old days tax rates, like in the 50's, where they were outrageously high. To draw such a conclusion is ridiculous. The world was vastly different in the 50's. Europe was still trashed for the war. China was still in an ancient economic state, Japan in infancy and still not recovered from the war. The USSR was taking out all of eastern Europe as a viable competitor, and South Central America had no exportable products except raw materials which took months to get to North America and in the chain. In short, there was no competition, and the percentages are distorted because of a vastly different base. It makes as much sense to say that our '50's smoking rate of about 45%, or the fact that there were no seatbelts in cars of that era were responsible for the US growth rate in that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Krugman's right. 70% tax rate is fine, because absolutely nothing in the world economy has changed since 1945. This will all be fine. Nothing bad would come of it. I mean hell, at one point in the 50's, the tax rate for the top earners was 98%! It worked back then, there's absolutely no reason to think it wouldn't work now. Because the world economy is exactly the same! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 2 minutes ago, Koko78 said: Krugman's right. 70% tax rate is fine, because absolutely nothing in the world economy has changed since 1945. This will all be fine. Nothing bad would come of it. I mean hell, at one point in the 50's, the tax rate for the top earners was 98%! It worked back then, there's absolutely no reason to think it wouldn't work now. Because the world economy is exactly the same! Let's mandate tail fins for cars while we are at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 1 minute ago, RochesterRob said: Let's mandate tail fins for cars while we are at it. Only if sock hops and drug-store soda fountains are brought back into style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 if you calculate all the taxes you pay today, it is pretty close to over 50% of your income. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 1 minute ago, Foxx said: if you calculate all the taxes you pay today, it is pretty close to over 50% of your income. A fair amount of that is user taxes such as the tax on fuel. Taxes are going to be imperfect and there is a need for services but income taxes are perhaps the most arbitrary way to service the state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 16 minutes ago, sherpa said: Such a cost for the "services" the victims of such a confiscatory tax policy would likely cause many actions not benefitting our little experiment here, and there is a reason such tax policy has been rejected and changed in the past. I always find it amusing when past growth rates are connected to old days tax rates, like in the 50's, where they were outrageously high. To draw such a conclusion is ridiculous. The world was vastly different in the 50's. Europe was still trashed for the war. China was still in an ancient economic state, Japan in infancy and still not recovered from the war. The USSR was taking out all of eastern Europe as a viable competitor, and South Central America had no exportable products except raw materials which took months to get to North America and in the chain. In short, there was no competition, and the percentages are distorted because of a vastly different base. It makes as much sense to say that our '50's smoking rate of about 45%, or the fact that there were no seatbelts in cars of that era were responsible for the US growth rate in that time. Boo hoo Snowflake. You'll get over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 19 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Armed individuals. Which ones GAO: IRS Had 4,487 Guns; 5,062,006 Rounds of Ammunition 14 minutes ago, Koko78 said: Krugman's right. 70% tax rate is fine, because absolutely nothing in the world economy has changed since 1945. This will all be fine. Nothing bad would come of it. I mean hell, at one point in the 50's, the tax rate for the top earners was 98%! It worked back then, there's absolutely no reason to think it wouldn't work now. Because the world economy is exactly the same! I get a chuckle over how the same people that lauded Obama for his remark in the 2012 debates about the 1950s wanting their foreign policy back are the same ones yearning for economic policies of the 1950s 12 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: Let's mandate tail fins for cars while we are at it. with suicide doors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 7 minutes ago, /dev/null said: GAO: IRS Had 4,487 Guns; 5,062,006 Rounds of Ammunition I get a chuckle over how the same people that lauded Obama for his remark in the 2012 debates about the 1950s wanting their foreign policy back are the same ones yearning for economic policies of the 1950s with suicide doors How are we supposed to "Ghost Ride the Whip?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: A fair amount of that is user taxes such as the tax on fuel. Taxes are going to be imperfect and there is a need for services but income taxes are perhaps the most arbitrary way to service the state. you can delineate and label them however you like, a tax is a tax by any other name. disguising them is by design. Edited January 6, 2019 by Foxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 32 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Come on!... What's better than a doable Socialist? https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/why-does-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-get-so-much-attention-from-the-right/amp/ https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5c3154e9e4b0733528336e49 "But what does Ocasio-Cortez know about tax policy? “A lot,” said the headline of an opinion piece Saturday in The New York Times by Nobel economics laureate Paul Krugman. A similar tax rate was imposed in the U.S. for 35 years after World War II, which included some of the “most successful periods of economic growth in history,” Krugman wrote. Tax cuts for the ultra wealthy mean far less to them than cuts for people with modest incomes, Krugman noted. And extra money in millions of hands boosts spending. “A policy that makes the rich a bit poorer will affect only a handful of people, and will barely affect their life satisfaction, since they will still be able to buy whatever they want,” Krugman wrote" Where there is smoke, there is fire... Oops. Sure we are recipients. Armed individuals. Which ones? Be thankful their not the Taliban wanting your head rolling down the stairs. Pick your poison. The rich will just find a way to get that money off shore doing business as a foreign entity operating in the US. That aside the mentality has changed from the 1950's that while I am sure that the rich did not enjoy paying their taxes they did not seek detours around taxes like they do today. Part of that could be many parts of the world did not appear to be politically stable then as they are today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 19 minutes ago, Foxx said: if you calculate all the taxes you pay today, it is pretty close to over 50% of your income. I pay more than that now on earned income without adding in sales tax, taxes on utilities, etc. ? It kinda sucks. And leaves me no incentive to earn more unless I am certain I can get past the social security cap (I am technically retired, but have a side gig). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Gal said: I pay more than that now on earned income without adding in sales tax, taxes on utilities, etc. ? It kinda sucks. And leaves me no incentive to earn more unless I am certain I can get past the social security cap (I am technically retired, but have a side gig). they really want indentured slaves. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Foxx said: they really want indentured slaves. Indentured to who? Like as a whole, we really have it rough... Not! Indentured to the Anerican system? This is laughable. Like the NFL players saying they are slaves. You feel your position too deeply. Must have too much time on your hands to think about things. Master needs to keep you busy. Edited January 6, 2019 by ExiledInIllinois Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 15 minutes ago, Foxx said: they really want indentured slaves. Wage slaves. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 13 hours ago, Boyst62 said: it's oddly just the same amount if not slightly a little less than Sarah Palin got Decent looking chicks wjth cray cray ideas tend to do that! LoL... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 2 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Indentured to who? Like as a whole, we really have it rough... Not! Indentured to the Anerican system? This is laughable. Like the NFL players saying they are slaves. You feel your position too deeply. Must have too much time on your hands to think about things. Master needs to keep you busy. let me guess, your a socialist? good luck with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 2 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Wage slaves. Again... Too much time on their hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 1 minute ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Again... Too much time on their hands. Exactly what you'd say to a slave who started to think for themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Just now, Foxx said: let me guess, your a socialist? good luck with that. Sorta... But socialism will never work. People get lazy and want things easy. This is why we can't have nice things in Our Country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Give him more debt. That will shut him up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Just now, Deranged Rhino said: Exactly what you'd say to a slave who started to think for themselves. Yeah. But there is a threshold. Can think for themselves, but when does the individual thinking become counter-productive? I think we are reaching it. 1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said: Give him more debt. That will shut him up. Exactly the opposite! Cause them to fight! Or... Just default. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Just now, ExiledInIllinois said: Again... Too much time on their hands. with as much respect as i can muster.... you and your kind crack me up. everyone else is an idiot until they come for you. you seem to have forgotten what the first revolutionary war was all about. taxation without representation..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 There's no debtor's prisons anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 1 minute ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Yeah. But there is a threshold. Can think for themselves, but when does the individual thinking become counter-productive? I think we are reaching it. Exactly the opposite! Cause them to fight! Or... Just default. lol. proved my prior post exclusively. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Just now, Foxx said: with as much respect as i can muster.... you and your kind crack me up. everyone else is an idiot until they come for you. you seem to have forgotten what the first revolutionary war was all about. taxation without representation..... About not installing a King with absolute power? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Just now, ExiledInIllinois said: About not installing a King with absolute power? TDS much? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Just now, Foxx said: lol. proved my prior post exclusively. So there is no threshold. Individual thinking can not be counter-productive for the group? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Just now, ExiledInIllinois said: There's no debtor's prisons anymore. Sometimes what was old is new again. AOC and her brand might just make it legal to jail you for reasons beyond just tax evasion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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