Roundybout Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 Looks like he's doing his job PERFECTLY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 Wait where is Star mentioned again? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 What does Star have to do with anything you just posted? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 I believe the point is that Star is occupying blockers, which allows our LBs to play very disruptive football. 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 Just now, BuffaloHokie13 said: I believe the point is that Star is occupying blockers, which allows our LBs to play very disruptive football. Or the LBers are very good on their own Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted October 16, 2018 Author Share Posted October 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, Bangarang said: What does Star have to do with anything you just posted? 4 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Wait where is Star mentioned again? Brought in to eat blockers so the linebackers could do their jobs? What people have said all along? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 (edited) If his job is to eat space, let LBs fly around hitting, he’s doing his job well. Complaining about Star is so week 1. We’re on to QB depth charts and the front office. Edited October 16, 2018 by Over 29 years of fanhood 3 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 Just now, BillsEnthusiast said: Brought in to eat blockers so the linebackers could do their jobs? What people have said all along? And this shows that how? What it shows me is Milano and Edmunds are very good LBers. But hey glad we paid a Ton to a guy to eat up blocks. Phillips does it too and actually gets push and is paid 1/10th of Star Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Pygmy Goat Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 Somewhat misleading title, but I get it. He's not our only DT though. Replacing Alexander in the near future won't be easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 (edited) Hey, only the second worst offense in 30+ years! Looks like Daboll is coaching exactly to the level we should have expected: Edited October 16, 2018 by fridge 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted October 16, 2018 Author Share Posted October 16, 2018 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: And this shows that how? What it shows me is Milano and Edmunds are very good LBers. But hey glad we paid a Ton to a guy to eat up blocks. Phillips does it too and actually gets push and is paid 1/10th of Star Figures you can't change some people's opinions. Oh well. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Pygmy Goat Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 Just now, MAJBobby said: And this shows that how? What it shows me is Milano and Edmunds are very good LBers. But hey glad we paid a Ton to a guy to eat up blocks. Phillips does it too and actually gets push and is paid 1/10th of Star They are good LBs, but for them to showcase their skills on a consistent basis, it starts up front. That is a testament to the line as a whole, not just Star. Hughes, Murphy, and Lawson have all played well, and so have the tackles. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 1 minute ago, BillsEnthusiast said: Figures you can't change some people's opinions. Oh well. You've literally provided no evidence to show why it should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 1 minute ago, BillsEnthusiast said: Figures you can't change some people's opinions. Oh well. Nothing in this post gives me ANY indication how Star is doing. What is his PFF grade. His Disruptive Grade. Where is he ranking in all other DTs. Posting Milano and Edmunds stuff does nothing for me (Specially when this is WHY multiple picks where given up for Edmunds) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Syracuse Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 6 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Or the LBers are very good on their own LB's are way less good when they have offensive linemen in their face. Our LB's are playing well because our DT's are keeping them clean. That's how NFL defenses work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: And this shows that how? What it shows me is Milano and Edmunds are very good LBers. But hey glad we paid a Ton to a guy to eat up blocks. Phillips does it too and actually gets push and is paid 1/10th of Star Or you could watch him and realize this is exactly what is happening rather than criticizing something that is provable on tape. He's also doing the second part of the reason for signing him well, stuffing up the middle on pass plays so Hughes and Murphy can use their formidable speed rushing skills to get around the corner but not have the QB step up into a huge open pocket and escape that rush like what was happening the last couple years. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 1 minute ago, Drunken Pygmy Goat said: They are good LBs, but for them to showcase their skills on a consistent basis, it starts up front. That is a testament to the line as a whole, not just Star. Hughes, Murphy, and Lawson have all played well, and so have the tackles. So the title is misleading trying to fit a specific agenda. Got it Just now, Mike in Syracuse said: LB's are way less good when they have offensive linemen in their face. Our LB's are playing well because our DT's are keeping them clean. That's how NFL defenses work. Really that is how NFL defenses work. You mean Only in the NFL If an OL gets out to a LBer he is ineffective? i see Edmunds and Milano taking on Untouched OL every game, but that cant be they would be ineffective right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 6 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: And this shows that how? What it shows me is Milano and Edmunds are very good LBers. But hey glad we paid a Ton to a guy to eat up blocks. Phillips does it too and actually gets push and is paid 1/10th of Star Oh. You don't know how football works. That explains that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted October 16, 2018 Author Share Posted October 16, 2018 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: So the title is misleading trying to fit a specific agenda. Got it Look who's talking about agendas 3 minutes ago, Bangarang said: You've literally provided no evidence to show why it should. Correlation. When Star takes 2 blockers up, then the backers can go attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 You'd have to be a real nincompoop to not believe that Star is a contributing reason to allowing our defensive players the freedom to disrupt and make plays. The whole reason why we brought him in wasn't to make sacks or lots of tackles but to help collapse the pocket in pass rushing situations and eat up blockers for our playmakers to do what they do. And that is exactly what they've done thanks in part to Star. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 15 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said: Looks like he's doing his job PERFECTLY. He is about 37th on the list of problems the Bills have right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 Do people understand that when you make a claim the burden of proof is on you to back it up? Showing me how well Lorenzo and Milano are playing doesn’t tell me how Star is doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Syracuse Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: So the title is misleading trying to fit a specific agenda. Got it Really that is how NFL defenses work. You mean Only in the NFL If an OL gets out to a LBer he is ineffective? i see Edmunds and Milano taking on Untouched OL every game, but that cant be they would be ineffective right How does someone with 12k posts have so little understanding of the game? Fine, you do you. Believe whatever you want. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KennyDavisEyes Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 I think it’s been fairly obvious that Star is making a significant impact defensively. I guess to the untrained eye of someone with an agenda it might not be as obvious. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Syracuse Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 Just now, Magox said: You'd have to be a real nincompoop to not believe that Star is a contributing reason to allowing our defensive players the freedom to disrupt and make plays. The whole reason why we brought him in wasn't to make sacks or lots of tackles but to help collapse the pocket in pass rushing situations and eat up blockers for our playmakers to do what they do. And that is exactly what they've done thanks in part to Star. Not to mention the massive improvement in the run defense. Team aren't running through massive holes in the center of the defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 9 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said: Brought in to eat blockers so the linebackers could do their jobs? What people have said all along? Can you provide some information that he's doing that? I haven't looked into the last 2 games but the 4 prior he was not - IMO and I posted a little video evidence. He could be getting better the last couple games but I didn't see it with my eye - I'd need to look closer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 3 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: Or you could watch him and realize this is exactly what is happening rather than criticizing something that is provable on tape. He's also doing the second part of the reason for signing him well, stuffing up the middle on pass plays so Hughes and Murphy can use their formidable speed rushing skills to get around the corner but not have the QB step up into a huge open pocket and escape that rush like what was happening the last couple years. I do watch him. I see him on skates alot for a 10M DT. I see zero push for a 10M DT. I see little to none splitting doubles for a 10M DT. And someone on the field for a 3rd of the snaps for a 10M DT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 Just now, BillsEnthusiast said: Correlation. When Star takes 2 blockers up, then the backers can go attack. What percentage of snaps is Star playing? What are Milano and Lorenzo able to do because of what he’s doing? Do you have anything that backs it up or are you just making assumptions? Lorenzo and Milano are doing well so it must be because of Star? Correlation does not equal causation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: Oh. You don't know how football works. That explains that. Played LBer all my life. That is one position I know. But hey because someone disagrees they obviously dont know what they are talking about. Then again this is a fan base that thinks going through flaming tables is cool 3 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said: Look who's talking about agendas Correlation. When Star takes 2 blockers up, then the backers can go attack. And when Kyle takes on Doubles he splits them. i would expect that from a 10M DT 4 minutes ago, Mike in Syracuse said: How does someone with 12k posts have so little understanding of the game? Fine, you do you. Believe whatever you want. Ahhhh another. Where is this POST does it show ANYTHING about Star. Ready go. Show that knowledge 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: I do watch him. I see him on skates alot for a 10M DT. I see zero push for a 10M DT. I see little to none splitting doubles for a 10M DT. And someone on the field for a 3rd of the snaps for a 10M DT https://cigna.vsp.com/find-eye-doctors.html 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: Played LBer all my life. That is one position I know. But hey because someone disagrees they obviously dont know what they are talking about. Then again this is a fan base that thinks going through flaming tables is cool And when Kyle takes on Doubles he splits them. i would expect that from a 10M DT Varsity and DIII football d/n equal NFL scheme and play. I have a hard time believing anyone on this board didn't play football. This means nothing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 Just now, Kelly the Dog said: https://cigna.vsp.com/find-eye-doctors.html Learn the game Just now, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: Varsity and DIII football d/n equal NFL scheme and play. I have a hard time believing anyone on this board didn't play football. This means nothing. Try again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Syracuse Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 1 minute ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: Varsity and DIII football d/n equal NFL scheme and play. I have a hard time believing anyone on this board didn't play football. This means nothing. Are you telling me my 3 years of playing nose tackle in Class D football doesn't make me an expert? Hogwash. What's next, you going to tell me my intramural experience is meaningless? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 So if Star is playing so lights out his PFF grade should be amazing. His Total ranking should be amazing. Show me that not Milano And Edmunds play and tell me it us because of Star Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 (edited) Milano defends a pass in coverage or forces a fumble. Must be because of Star. Milano goes sideline to sideline to make a stop. Yup, that was because of Star. Lorenzo sacking the QB on a down in which Star isn’t even on the field. Doesn’t matter, that’s Star doing his job. Do you see how misleading this can be? Edited October 16, 2018 by Bangarang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 32 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said: Looks like he's doing his job PERFECTLY. Yes he has, but guess what? It doesn't mean squat given the mismanagement of the entire offense. It is a damn shame to waste this defense, especially since we will most likely be losing at least 2 players to retirement next year (Lorax and KW!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 (edited) Im confused How is this about Star? It shows me that the Bills found a good LB in Milano. He was good last year too, Star wasnt here. 27 minutes ago, Mike in Syracuse said: LB's are way less good when they have offensive linemen in their face. Our LB's are playing well because our DT's are keeping them clean. That's how NFL defenses work. So the LBs are only good when Star is on teh field? Im lost? Ray Lewis, Brian Urlacher, were only good becuase of their D-lineman, thats what we are saying right? Edited October 16, 2018 by CountDorkula Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 4 minutes ago, CountDorkula said: Im confused How is this about Star? It shows me that the Bills found a good LB in Milano. He was good last year too, Star wasnt here. So the LBs are only good when Star is on teh field? Im lost? Ray Lewis, Brian Urlacher, were only good becuase of their D-lineman, thats what we are saying right? Actually, Milano was not good last year. And he was almost beat out in preseason this year. Last year he made a bunch of highlight reel plays sandwiched around a bunch of lousy or mediocre ones. This year he is making even more highlight reel plays sandwiched around a bunch of decent or rather good ones. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 Just now, Kelly the Dog said: Actually, Milano was not good last year. And he was almost beat out in preseason this year. Last year he made a bunch of highlight reel plays sandwiched around a bunch of lousy or mediocre ones. This year he is making even more highlight reel plays sandwiched around a bunch of decent or rather good ones. ....because of Star Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 Just now, CountDorkula said: ....because of Star One of the reasons. But he has really picked up his game as far as not making mistakes, not taking himself out of position, reading plays better, not missing tackles, and yes, he doesn't have to fend off blockers as much, because of Star. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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