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Marrone went for 2 up 31-12 with 25 sec to go vs Jets

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1 minute ago, apuszczalowski said:

Isnt it statistically more likely that an extra point will be good over completing a 2 point conversion? So technically by going for it with a lower chance of scoring, you are being nicer to the opponent and giving them a better chance of not running g up the score.....

I don't know about all the optics of it, people want to say it was piling on, maybe it was, Marrone is kind of a DB.    But in this instance, knowing that down the road he may need to get a 2pt conversion to win a game, I say get some reps in live action while you can.   But I"m looking at it from that standpoint only.   Not the emotional lenses most people are probably correctly looking through.   

 

Maybe it's a big eff you to the owner of the Jets, in which case it's still pretty iffy.    You are winning the game.  what does 2 extra points do?    

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2 hours ago, apuszczalowski said:

Isnt it statistically more likely that an extra point will be good over completing a 2 point conversion? So technically by going for it with a lower chance of scoring, you are being nicer to the opponent and giving them a better chance of not running g up the score.....

all the so called experts surmise, and have stats to back it up, that going for two in the long run scores more points.

 

problem is situationally if you do that you can lose a game you should not lose because of going for two when one is the right call, situationally.

IE: making a two point conversion in a blowout is meaningless. Missing a two pt conversion in a close game can by far far wrong, situationally of course. Ask Browns why they went for two when 1 pt would have given them a 3 pt lead vs Oak. That mistake forced them to go for 2 again and lucky they made it.

 

Piitsburgh tried going for a lot of 2's doing that last year and quickly decided it was pretty stupid in NFL. They used their own numbers showing they make them at a higher league avg and were set to do it all the time as they thought Big Ben and Pitt's wr's/te's gave them even better odds.  What they failed to take into account is if you have a large sample size and they do it more and more. They likely fail back to the mean. Which was exactly as it appeared to be trending before they stopped it.

 

So I give them credit for being bold and then more credit to stop being stupid when it showed it was flawed thinking.

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2 hours ago, apuszczalowski said:

Isnt it statistically more likely that an extra point will be good over completing a 2 point conversion? So technically by going for it with a lower chance of scoring, you are being nicer to the opponent and giving them a better chance of not running g up the score.....

you fail to take into account you get double points when scoring 2 pt conversion so you statistically could be worse converting 2pt vs kicking and still score more points.

https://www.boydsbets.com/nfl-two-point-conversion-success-rate/

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Just now, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

...so he needs to be "coached up" I take it..............

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I like the attitude

 

Should have hired the man when you had the chance, NJ!

 

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We couldn’t even score 2 points yesterday so your point is don’t score as much as you can mmmkay. 

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I love it when teams have some attitude.

 

As much as I hate NE I respect them for going for 19-0. Most teams would "do what the book says" and fold it up like the Colts did when they had a very real shot at going 16-0.

 

Wimpy and scared is how most coaches play it.

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Marrone was smart to get out of Buffalo. Great move.He knew he would have a Nathan Peterman in his future if he stayed.

4 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said:

We couldn’t even score 2 points yesterday so your point is don’t score as much as you can mmmkay. 

90 minutes of football and counting..--whats the record?

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Marrone wanted to bring in his buddy Polian and get rid of Whaley and Brandon.

 

When it didn't work he pretty much had to take the $$ and run. I might have done the same thing if I didn't grow up a Bills fan. I mean, I know Marrone was a hometown guy and all...

 

:D

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10 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

...and he’s an offensive guy. 

Some might say 'sullen', others say offensive.

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11 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

The guys a good coach. His teams never get blown out. Our defenses were better with him and he’s an offensive guy. He probably just didn’t want to be told to play EJ anymore. I don’t know why people are mad at him. Be mad at the idiot that gave him the opt out.

I agree.  I always like Marrone and think he is a good coach even though that is not the popular opinion.  However, he was blown out in like 4 games his two years here.

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If I understand the new-ish rule correctly, the Jets could have intercepted or returned that 2 point try the other way and suddenly it's a 1 score game

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"because I couldn't go for 3" haha!

 

I like it.  Play to win, no chances.  Take your sportsmanship argument back to your kindergarten safe space.  

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12 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

The guys a good coach. His teams never get blown out. Our defenses were better with him and he’s an offensive guy. He probably just didn’t want to be told to play EJ anymore. I don’t know why people are mad at him. Be mad at the idiot that gave him the opt out.

Why can't we be mad at everyone?

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6 hours ago, Soda Popinski said:

I don't know about all the optics of it, people want to say it was piling on, maybe it was, Marrone is kind of a DB.    But in this instance, knowing that down the road he may need to get a 2pt conversion to win a game, I say get some reps in live action while you can.   But I"m looking at it from that standpoint only.   Not the emotional lenses most people are probably correctly looking through.   

 

Maybe it's a big eff you to the owner of the Jets, in which case it's still pretty iffy.    You are winning the game.  what does 2 extra points do?    

My thoughts as well. What difference does 1 point make?

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Pete Carroll did a fake punt up about  36-6 vs. Bills when we played Seattle in Toronto and the crowd cheered ! The Bills said Bye Bye Toronto !

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13 hours ago, billsfan1959 said:

I don't share the anger at Marrone; however, I don't care much for him on a personal level.

 

One can be a good coach and still be an !@#hole. They are not mutually exclusive...

100% Agreed

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4 hours ago, coloradobillsfan said:

If I understand the new-ish rule correctly, the Jets could have intercepted or returned that 2 point try the other way and suddenly it's a 1 score game

No.  It was 31-12 before the 2 pt try.

 

If NY int's and returns it or returns a fumble they only get 2 pts. 31-14

and if they would be allowed to score a TD on a PAT return and then went for 2 it would be 31-22. 

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1 hour ago, cba fan said:

No.  It was 31-12 before the 2 pt try.

 

thanks read it too quickly and was thinking 21-12

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I pretty much understand baseball "don't show up the opponent" protocol when you're winning big. You don't steal bases, you don't bunt for a hit, etc. The football unwritten rules are kind of a mystery though. Why is it considered o.k. to send in the kicker to kick the extra point when you're up by 21 with one minute to play? After all, you could just send out the offense again and take a knee on an ostensible try for a 2 point conversion. That's what teams do when they score a game winning touchdown as time runs out on the game clock. Why isn't kicking the extra point considered piling on, whereas going for 2 is? Nobody bats an eye when a team leading by 23 points kicks a field goal on 4th and 1 with less than a minute of game time left. Why not just take a knee on 4th down and turn it over on downs? In other words, I have no problem with what Marrone did. It's not like KC having Dontari Poe throw a TD pass when you're winning by 3 touchdowns late ... that's one where it's easy to spot the line (trick plays done for the highlight reel only) and the fact that Andy Reid crossed it.

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18 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

The guys a good coach. His teams never get blown out. Our defenses were better with him and he’s an offensive guy. He probably just didn’t want to be told to play EJ anymore. I don’t know why people are mad at him. Be mad at the idiot that gave him the opt out.

 

Marrone is a baffoon. Our offense was putrid and our offensive line (both are his "expertise") was crap, even though with the same personell they had been good previously and again after he left.

 

Marrone has nothing to do with our defense being good, and he has nothing to do with the Jags defense being good.

 

I was all too happy he opted out.

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23 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

The guys a good coach. His teams never get blown out. Our defenses were better with him and he’s an offensive guy. He probably just didn’t want to be told to play EJ anymore. I don’t know why people are mad at him. Be mad at the idiot that gave him the opt out.

 

I agree. But I understand people not liking him because despite being a good coach he is an arse.

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