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Officiating Consistency ( Defenseless Receiver and Helmet to Helmet )


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2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

https://mobile.twitter.com/NFLFootballOps/status/1043938488868048897

 

from official NFL operations

 

says it was defenseless receiver not helmet to helmet 

Not surprising for the NFL to double down on stupid, they rarely admit their errors. The radio and TV announcers thought it was helmet to helmet when the flag was thrown, not a defenseless receiver. He didn’t appear defenseless at all. 

2 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said:

bull ****...led to/ went for helmet to helmet.....

Watch again, he went for the ball and didn’t even look at Benjamin. Again, if that was T White on defense and they threw a flag we’d all be incensed and rightly so. 

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6 minutes ago, mead107 said:

 Change the spot on the Browns game. Bull crap 

tv shows holding and refs don’t see it.  

It is a lot of bad and in consistent calls. 

Only way to straighten it out is to fine the Refs. 

Make them pay. 

 

Browns got hosed 3 times in this game:

 

1- Fumble on Carr

2- First down to ice the game

3- Lynch getting 10 yards.  Defender in front of him held and couldnt do anything but let him go by.

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For a league that generates this much money, how in the hell can they justify such a low standard of quality with these officials. They miss stuff regularly, they call phantom penalties that the networks strangely don't take a 2nd look with replay at even though some of the penalties can change the course of a game. Then when instant replay gives some extra clarity to a confusing play, Al Rivieron or whoever it is on in the league office making the call from the booth completely ignores what the HD cameras are showing.  The Josh Allen "fumble" was an absolute joke today. Good thing the game was already out of reach and it made no difference but both knees were clearly on the ground before the ball came out. Then the Cleveland first down call?? They overturned a GOOD call on the field despite having no evidence to do so!!! What the hell is going on? Perhaps the NFL should have officials on the field and in the booth who have 20/20 vision or don't need coke bottle thick reading glasses? Beyond ridiculous!

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3 hours ago, Fadingpain said:

It was incidental contact, and the correct non-call.

 

Watch Clinton-Dix on the replay.  He was looking back at the QB and the ball when he caught it; Benjamin was off to his side and I'm sure the "hit" surprised C.D. as much as it surprised Benjamin.

 

Basically both players moved into the same space at the same time in an effort to catch the football, while neither player was concerned about what the other was doing or where they were.

 

That was the correct non-call and I think most officials would see it that way.

 

As an aside, I think officiating in the NFL is the worst in all of N.American major league sports, and this game today in particular was very poorly called.


But I don't have an issue with the play you draw attention to.

 

 

Exactly,  I have less concern about the KB hit but Hughes getting held all day long has got to end. Oh and even Fouts said Josh's knees were both down. If that was a SB they would've spent a lot more time and it probably gets reversed.  Each year NFL officiating gets worse. 

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19 minutes ago, DrDare said:

so now we know: you can hit a WR's head as hard as you want if you have your arms stretched out

 

our DB's should always target with their arms stretched out

Massive oversimplification here.... The DB had as good or better a shot at that ball as KB did. This doesn’t always happen, obviously. Doing what you describe will get a flag in a vast majority of situations. 

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7 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

There have been way less egregious ones called

 

Consistency. They have none

 

 

It’s not possible to keep everyone happy

 

if you watch games with fans of both teams in the same room, a common room in a dorm or a sports bar, both sides will whine and cry all through the game that their team is getting screwed over

 

even when a team is winning 35-0! their fans are convinced they are getting screwed by the refs

 

”kill the ump” is a huge part of fan enjoyment, will never be removed 

 

 

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Bad officiating is the ruination of any sport. The NFL has more than its fair share of it.

 

It would seem that they can't even be consistent in how they are going to apply new rules, on a week to week basis, league wide.

 

Still, they were consistent yesterday, as they didn't call any holding on Hughes, at all.

 

Hopefully the Bills, or McDermott/Beane/Pegula, whoever is responsible for doing so, sends a nice little cut up of non holding calls to the NFL, and asks for an explanation.

 

Probably every week.

 

The Bills yesterday, due to how bad they were offensively, couldn't have won that game in a month of Sundays, but the Packers didn't need to have had it made so easy for them, by typically poor officiating.

 

I'm not entirely sure about the helmet to helmet one with Benjamin. I think there's a chance it could have gone either way. I don't think for one moment, that it was deliberate, however, and that is what probably should be defining that call.

 

Similarly, I thought he non call when Edmunds sacked Rodgers, was a good call, although I could see where it might have gone the other way - especially recently.

 

Two things sort of stood out about that, one of which was Rodgers ended up on his side more. The other being that it looked to me that Edmunds took some weight off of Rodgers, by landing with some arm extension.

 

It would be nice to have a few games where nobody feels obliged to complain about the officiating, as that might mean they have done a good job.

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12 hours ago, the skycap said:

It was HORRIBLE today!! The hit on Benjamin was case in point!! Hughes got held ALL DAY. And the pick routes that the Packers employed were being called out by Fouts.

ditto on Hughes. He was getting held on almost every play.

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IDK if this ref job was payback for embarrassing the Vikings last week but it felt like we weren't going to get any calls all day and that turned out to be the case.   Hughes was held all day, in fact they had a great video of him with the LT actually grabbing the back of his jersey to keep him from pursuing the ball carrier it was laughable they could have called holding all day there.   

 

Not that it had much effect on the outcome of the game, we couldn't move the ball to save our lives.    Couldn't catch the ball either. 

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14 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

Yes he has the right but you still CANNOT make helmet contact even if unintended 

Helmet to helmet contact happens every play somewhere in the field.  It’s the intent part your missing.  Just cause someone’s helmet hits another players doesn’t mean it’s a penalty 

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9 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said:

Helmet to helmet contact happens every play somewhere in the field.  It’s the intent part your missing.  Just cause someone’s helmet hits another players doesn’t mean it’s a penalty 

 

for sure... anyone with a brain can tell what they mean by an ejectable hit

 

must suck for some spending three hours watching only to see if Hughes was held or helmets clashed and then having a Rumpelstiltskin rage every time you pretend you saw it

 

i mean it sucks for anyone who is in the life of someone who insists on watching sports just to bash officials...

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14 hours ago, Shotgunner said:

I didn't see a penalty there on KB...

 

... But some of the most egregious holds I've ever seen not called, especially on Hughes.

 

For sure. 

First drive where GB scored a TD. Obviously block in the back when they ran for a first down.

What about their first scoring play?? Is that not a pick move to get Jimmy Graham free?

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