without a drought Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 It's weird how the Bills are thinnest at positions that they have been moving talent off the roster. I'm not saying that they have been moving on from great players, but they have been going in the wrong direction. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 1 minute ago, Cripple Creek said: Ditching talent, apparently on a whim, doesn't help the team today or tomorrow. Take a look at the 2017 FA off season. What do the Bills have to show for it? They had to spend carefully. What makes you believe that they'll be better at talent evaluation going forward? The most recent move, cutting a WR on a one year contract, does nothing to help today or tomorrow. If you are referring to Watkins and Dareus these are players that this new regime didn't believe fit into their long term plans. Without question you take a step back when you give up talent. As I said in a prior post when McDermott took over it was with the intention of deconstructing and then reconstructing. It wasn't a one or two year task. The Kerley transaction is baffling to me. But I'm not going to get discombobulated over a fringe type of player. Where I agree with you is how this team evaluates the market players is going to be a decisive factor toward success. Murphy has been hurt so I'm going to hold my judgment. And Latul---- has not been impressive in his early start but it is still very early. I'm not a zealous true believer in this regime. But it's still very early in their tenure. It's going to take time. Without a doubt it's going to take a lot of fortitude to stay steady in this probably tough year. The boat may be rocking in turbulent waters but I not jumping out just yet. 11 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I agree with most of this for what it's worth. But Nathan Peterman still sucks and should not be on this roster. You remind of of a doctor working in the emergency room when the EMT personnel just wheeled in a patient in cardiac arrest. Your response is to get fixated on the hang nail while the patient is gasping and fading away. Gunner, get your priorities straight! The backup qb should be the least of your worries. I'm trying to help you. When you go off the rails I'm simply trying to get you back on track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 7 minutes ago, JohnC said: If you are referring to Watkins and Dareus these are players that this new regime didn't believe fit into their long term plans. Without question you take a step back when you give up talent. As I said in a prior post when McDermott took over it was with the intention of deconstructing and then reconstructing. It wasn't a one or two year task. The Kerley transaction is baffling to me. But I'm not going to get discombobulated over a fringe type of player. Where I agree with you is how this team evaluates the market players is going to be a decisive factor toward success. Murphy has been hurt so I'm going to hold my judgment. And Latul---- has not been impressive in his early start but it is still very early. I'm not a zealous true believer in this regime. But it's still very early in their tenure. It's going to take time. Without a doubt it's going to take a lot of fortitude to stay steady in this probably tough year. The boat may be rocking in turbulent waters but I not jumping out just yet. I was glad to see both Dareus and Watkins leave. I'll repeat, look at the 2017 off season when the team had to spend carefully. What does the team have to show for it? An overpaid DT who is a star in name only, a fragile DE, some throw away O-lineman. That's what they got when they had to be careful and watch every dollar. What kind of spree will they go on in 2018? What makes you think that their talent evaluation will be better? I had very high hopes for our GM/coach combo. Those hopes have been dampened by some very head scratching moves. I wonder if the "box" that a player needs to inhabit to fit The Process might be a bit too narrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 9 minutes ago, JohnC said: You remind of of a doctor working in the emergency room when the EMT personnel just wheeled in a patient in cardiac arrest. Your response is to get fixated on the hang nail while the patient is gasping and fading away. Gunner, get your priorities straight! The backup qb should be the least of your worries. I'm trying to help you. When you go off the rails I'm simply trying to get you back on track. If the patient was the NFL career of Nathan Peterman I think I'd rather just put it out of its misery. Anyway I am at risk of thread derailing. Kerley is no great loss. Excited to see the Bills get the young guys on the field in this mess of and offense and start seeing which of those are pieces we can use going forward. I'd get Teller, McCloud and Foster all out there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 16, 2018 Author Share Posted September 16, 2018 Just now, GunnerBill said: If the patient was the NFL career of Nathan Peterman I think I'd rather just put it out of its misery. Anyway I am at risk of thread derailing. Kerley is no great loss. Excited to see the Bills get the young guys on the field in this mess of and offense and start seeing which of those are pieces we can use going forward. I'd get Teller, McCloud and Foster all out there. DNR! DNR! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJDK Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 8 hours ago, Fadingpain said: All valid points and concerns. So what do you make out of all that? Deliberate tank season from the Bills? Just standard incompetence? I don’t think it’s a deliberate tank but I do think that the goal on their part must be along the lines of: 1. How much salary can we get off the books? 2. What can we get through this year with at the bare minimum without having a fan mutiny or a player mutiny? The big problem with this is that it feels like a tank to a lot of us. Even if they don’t think about it in those terms. The other issue i have is that these decisions don’t do much in the way of protecting their future investments or making them better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: If the patient was the NFL career of Nathan Peterman I think I'd rather just put it out of its misery. Anyway I am at risk of thread derailing. Kerley is no great loss. Excited to see the Bills get the young guys on the field in this mess of and offense and start seeing which of those are pieces we can use going forward. I'd get Teller, McCloud and Foster all out there. With respect to the highlighted area we are in accord. When you rebuild there is going to be a lot of churning of personnel. I'm not going to be too bothered with the backside departures and replacements. The most important issue for this season and franchise is whether Josh Allen demonstrates that he can be a franchise qb? I'm not going to go astray and be distracted by frivolous side issues such as the backup. I'll leave that up to those who relish wallowing With respect to the Peterman issue you are irredeemable. Every life is precious----even the one's you don't personal value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 21 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said: I'll repeat, look at the 2017 off season when the team had to spend carefully. What does the team have to show for it? An overpaid DT who is a star in name only, a fragile DE, some throw away O-lineman. That's what they got when they had to be careful and watch every dollar. What kind of spree will they go on in 2018? What makes you think that their talent evaluation will be better? You answered your own question. They had to spend carefully which meant they had to sign second rate players at best. I don't know why everyone is acting like Star is terrible. He isn't Aaron Donald but he's doing his job, which is to eat up double teams and let the LBs roam free. Our run defense was fine last week. It was the last reason that we lost. Murphy has been injured, it happens. Beyond that I don't believe we spent more than $5 million in cap space on a single player. That's what you do in a rebuilding year, you take what you can get. This regime believes in building through the draft and so far they have done that. White, Edmunds, and Allen look like good 1st round picks. Zay looks like a bust, but Dawkins and Phillips look like good picks too and Milano is a steal in the 5th round. They've only had 2 drafts and a cap-controlled free agency to rebuild the team in their image. That's why I expected this season to be rough. They're not even close to being done. Next year we should see a significant jump and in 2020 we should be contenders for the AFC Championship. That's their plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 20 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said: I was glad to see both Dareus and Watkins leave. I'll repeat, look at the 2017 off season when the team had to spend carefully. What does the team have to show for it? An overpaid DT who is a star in name only, a fragile DE, some throw away O-lineman. That's what they got when they had to be careful and watch every dollar. What kind of spree will they go on in 2018? What makes you think that their talent evaluation will be better? I had very high hopes for our GM/coach combo. Those hopes have been dampened by some very head scratching moves. I wonder if the "box" that a player needs to inhabit to fit The Process might be a bit too narrow. Your point about their player purchases is valid. But the story on Murphy is still an open issue. Let's not assume that he is always going to be plagued with injuries. When healthy he is a full throttle and productive player. As you reasonably noted the high cost acquisition of the Samoan DT is still an open issue. Let's just give it a little more time and see how it develops. You bring up an issue that is starting to hover over the organization. Is McDermott's preferred player profile too limited to choir boys? That is an issue that many people at first spoke in hush tones but is now getting louder. Let's just wait before there is louder rumblings about McDermott's stifling christian way of doing business. My view is that he values workers and committed players who are self-motivated. It can come off as too sanctimonious and preachy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 Anyway I expect to see lots of FB/3 TE packages to protect Allen. Less role for Kerley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 5 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: ....and yes Brian's offense was certainly MISMATCHED or perhaps OVERMATCHED is better......he needs to dial up SOMETHING or ANYTHING Better than last week.....looked like OTAG potency......Jesus....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 16, 2018 Author Share Posted September 16, 2018 22 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Get ready for 3 TE sets tomorrow. No Ray Ray McCoud today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 24 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Did they think he created mismatches in March? Or 8 days ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 34 minutes ago, JohnC said: Your point about their player purchases is valid. But the story on Murphy is still an open issue. Let's not assume that he is always going to be plagued with injuries. When healthy he is a full throttle and productive player. As you reasonably noted the high cost acquisition of the Samoan DT is still an open issue. Let's just give it a little more time and see how it develops. You bring up an issue that is starting to hover over the organization. Is McDermott's preferred player profile too limited to choir boys? That is an issue that many people at first spoke in hush tones but is now getting louder. Let's just wait before there is louder rumblings about McDermott's stifling christian way of doing business. My view is that he values workers and committed players who are self-motivated. It can come off as too sanctimonious and preachy. Ray Ray inactive so going w 4 WRs and DTs today. 5 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: No Ray Ray McCoud today. & no Lee 40 minutes ago, HappyDays said: You answered your own question. They had to spend carefully which meant they had to sign second rate players at best. I don't know why everyone is acting like Star is terrible. He isn't Aaron Donald but he's doing his job, which is to eat up double teams and let the LBs roam free. Our run defense was fine last week. It was the last reason that we lost. Murphy has been injured, it happens. Beyond that I don't believe we spent more than $5 million in cap space on a single player. That's what you do in a rebuilding year, you take what you can get. This regime believes in building through the draft and so far they have done that. White, Edmunds, and Allen look like good 1st round picks. Zay looks like a bust, but Dawkins and Phillips look like good picks too and Milano is a steal in the 5th round. They've only had 2 drafts and a cap-controlled free agency to rebuild the team in their image. That's why I expected this season to be rough. They're not even close to being done. Next year we should see a significant jump and in 2020 we should be contenders for the AFC Championship. That's their plan. Yeah, that’s what I do when I’m on a tight budget. I splurge on one overrated piece and grab up crap with the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 With McCloud inactive. Now i see the Logic for cutting Kerley. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: With McCloud inactive. Now i see the Logic for cutting Kerley. ? Truly. It is now crystal clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 Robert Thomas making the big bucks for the next few weeks at least...they have to pay him 4 weeks of regular salary even if he goes back to the PS... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 11 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said: This dude is going down with the ship. And I can't wait to see how you act after it goes down. I'll always be loyal but there is no way releasing Kerley will in any way affect this franchise immediately or long term. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 16 hours ago, joesixpack said: Let me break it down for you: Some of us understand that those guys were NOT getting it done. Some of us were sick of .500 football, because we understand that .500 football is the WORST possible outcome. You never get elite talent, you never get a shot at a QB. .500 football is why we missed the playoffs for 17 years. The team never tried for excellence, and they are now. Part of that plan is to rip out the rot in the middle of the franchise. Mango...those guys you listed? They were the rot. Overpaid, underperforming AVERAGE. 16 hours ago, joesixpack said: And I'm ok with that, because in the long term I believe we will be better. A LOT better. You're entitled to disagree, of course. But in no way, shape or form am I obligated to think you're right. So this is what striving for greatness looks like? Rivers is currently 7/7, 96 yards, 2 TD. Plus another 87 yards rushing at 8.7 yards per carry for LAC.... With 9 minutes left in the 2nd quarter. Inversely, Allen has been sacked 3 times in the second quarter alone. Again 9 minutes left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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