Doc Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 1 hour ago, CamboBill said: Both Richie AND the team lost. Think what you will of Richie's off field persona he was an absolute beast on the field. Richie strikes me as a guy who needs the NFL and football to keep his life and emotions together. The Bills threw silly money at guys like lotulei and Murphy this year, yet low balled Richie when he already had one of the best value contracts in the NFL when you considered his performance over the past few years. Richie, probably understood how much he needs football to keep his life together and accepted originally before understanding how much $$$ was going elsewhere. Understandably pissed he protested and McDermott did his "My Way" thing leaving Richie out of the league and starting a predictable downward spiral. Richie has his issues but the way the Bills handled his contract was classless. Meanwhile we take on and throw away 3.5 million $$$ for two weeks of Corey Coleman. The epitome of Organizational Incompetence. Yes they both lost. But Richie lost more. He gets no money at all for this year, which was probably his last year anyway in the NFL. Meanwhile the Bills take it on the chin for a year and then go find a replacement in FA or the draft next year. 33 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: I'd wager many Bills fans would rather lose with Peterman than win with Kaep, so yes, the customer is factored into the equation. I'd rather lose with Peterman making $800K than Kaep at $8M (assuming he'd even accept that, considering he's turned-down that much in the past because he fancies himself a starting QB). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 3 hours ago, Ayjent said: How was defense a priority when you don’t have anyone to protect your biggest investment in the draft and where you lost 3/5 starting level players? Oh because you decided to let your Starting CB and MLB go, and said we need to get someone from Carolina who was a poor performer and widely regarded as a horrible pickup for 10 mill/yr. Self-inflicted wounds that were avoidable and demonstrate that the process is flawed. 2 hours ago, Jasovon said: O-Line depth sucks around the league, the Colts and Seahawks have both struggled to keep their franchise guy upright. What you do need is someone that can catch and bail a QB out. This board has argued the OL situation and the replies above show 2 different lines of thought. The facts are the OL is in a level of bad that could be historic. Beane and/or McDermott had time to address it but did not. Many poster have tried to sell the theory that the 2nd of 2 5th round picks and 2 casts off (that is what they are) of Bodine and Newhouse addressed the OL issue. The Bills are spending $14 million for it's entire Offensive Line. That is record low asset appropriation. At the same time the Bills sunk a lot of new money and a 3rd round pick on the Defensive Line. Look at the positional spending for the Bills OL below compared to the league. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/positional/offensive-line/ The Incognito argument has some merit BUT remember posters are debating a 35 year old lineman. Even if he played his last year of his contract out this year where is his replacement? There are single offensive lineman in the league making more money this year than the ENTIRE Bills starting lineup AND backups. Let that sink in. My final rant on this is the constant drumming of "The Bills got 90 million in FA and can find OL there next year" posts. That probably is NOT going to happen. Look at the available OL FAs for next year. Remember this FA list is as of now. Many of these guys will be resigned by there original teams and the Bills have to compete with 31 other teams to sign any of these players. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/ufa/offensive-line/ Unfortunately Josh Allen is going to be behind a bad OL for some time to come. I do think it will negatively affect his development. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayjent Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, BigBuff423 said: Again, the three and outs have a cumulative effect. I'm not saying the Defense was good, I'm saying it's not as bad as some are making it out to be when you look at the totality of circumstances. Dumping all over the Defense without taking into consideration just how much was asked of them in context of what the Offense *didn't* do, is failing to put it in perspective, IMHO. And I’m saying they both sucked really bad. No need to point the finger at one side more than the other. Neither did anything to help the team do enough to win. A total team loss from top to bottom, from players to the front office - every one has their hands on this one. Edited September 10, 2018 by Ayjent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 I am really concerned. I get that they are trying to go all Cleveland Browns,,,get some high draft picks, clear out a bunch of cap space, get a franchise QB and have some time to groom him.. but a pretty good team is suddenly old and slow...and lacks talent all over the place. McD seems to get blown out a lot over 17 games. Does he even know how to prepare a team? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Ayjent said: And I’m saying they both sucked really bad. No need to point the finger at one side more than the other. Neither did anything to help the team do enough to win. A total team loss from top to bottom, from players to the front office - every one has their hands on this one. If you're really strong, and really focus I'm sure you can catch it.... You know....the sky that's falling. Buh-bye now.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 5 hours ago, Batman1876 said: Darius saved us cap money last year and this year, despite the dead cap. His savings were used to sign Star its basically a push. Cordy and Tyrod saved us 15 mil in cap space this year. That accounts for the salary of Davis, Murphy, AJ and Bodine, meaning we only would have had space for the depth guys we signed. This team is probably better with Darius Tyrod and Glenn but its still not a good team with them. I'll take the 2nd, 3rd, and 5th we got for those players to build for the future over having those three guys make our terrible team a little better. Building for the future? ROTFLMAO. They spent the existing talent on the team to collect draft capital to get a QB and LB ... and put a team with expansion-team level talent around them. It's going to take another 3 plus years to even get back to the talent they had when McDermott was hired if they hit on most of their draft picks and FAs, and from what McDermott/Beane have done so far, that's not going to happen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 3 hours ago, ColoradoBills said: This board has argued the OL situation and the replies above show 2 different lines of thought. The facts are the OL is in a level of bad that could be historic. Beane and/or McDermott had time to address it but did not. Many poster have tried to sell the theory that the 2nd of 2 5th round picks and 2 casts off (that is what they are) of Bodine and Newhouse addressed the OL issue. The Bills are spending $14 million for it's entire Offensive Line. That is record low asset appropriation. At the same time the Bills sunk a lot of new money and a 3rd round pick on the Defensive Line. Look at the positional spending for the Bills OL below compared to the league. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/positional/offensive-line/ The Incognito argument has some merit BUT remember posters are debating a 35 year old lineman. Even if he played his last year of his contract out this year where is his replacement? There are single offensive lineman in the league making more money this year than the ENTIRE Bills starting lineup AND backups. Let that sink in. My final rant on this is the constant drumming of "The Bills got 90 million in FA and can find OL there next year" posts. That probably is NOT going to happen. Look at the available OL FAs for next year. Remember this FA list is as of now. Many of these guys will be resigned by there original teams and the Bills have to compete with 31 other teams to sign any of these players. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/ufa/offensive-line/ Unfortunately Josh Allen is going to be behind a bad OL for some time to come. I do think it will negatively affect his development. Word. The FA pool next year is extremely weak. Smart teams lock up their good players because they understand that the cap really isn't an issue. Beane's recent bloviating about cap jail is the thing that bugs me the most about him; he assumes fans don't understad a cap that goes up by leaps and bounds every couple of years. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 4 hours ago, LSHMEAB said: I'd wager many Bills fans would rather lose with Peterman than win with Kaep, so yes, the customer is factored into the equation. If 17 years of no playoffs with 15 non-winning seasons didn't empty the Ralph, bringing in Kaepernick wouldn't do so either. Bills fans settle for a crap product, which is why the Bills don't bother to truly put winning before profits. Do you know why the Glory Years happened? Crowds of 20k fans in then Rich Stadium in the 1980s post-Chuck Knox happened. Since attendance was a significant revenue source for NFL teams back then the mostly empty stadium hit Wilson where it hurt: his profit. That's when he turned the team over to Polian, and, as they, "the rest is history". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 11 hours ago, billsblood said: I agree with this rant...... is it time for the KAP? Anyone but Allen should be behind this line, otherwise just play Peterman and completely suck. They will need a third QB for when Peterman inevitably gets injured anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 12 hours ago, dezertbill said: Title of this thread is ridiculous. This front office has made some great decisions. Good thing he wrote a really nice post to support his thoughts. Not his fault you ignored it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFBillsfan Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 Wonder if the Ravens would take a 5th for RGIII? If they don’t think Allen is ready then go get a proven vet! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 (edited) Something that needs to be remembered here! This organization decided, for a variety of reasons, that Allen was not ready and he should not start this year, or at least the early part of the year. The fact that Peterman sucks and cannot be played doesn't change that fact! If Allen goes in, the organization looks like a bunch of idiots who have painted themselves in a corner, as the OP suggests. If Peterman plays, they are basically conceding a tank year and in danger of losing the room. They really can't win and they are going to look bad however this plays out. It was a colossal mistake to get rid of AJ, as middling a talent as he is. Edited September 10, 2018 by Fadingpain 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 30 minutes ago, BUFFALOBART said: We paid McCarron a $4M bonus, and we get to eat it. 5th rounder. Another great move by this clueless FO. He was a Bill for what, 3 months? Of course, trading for Corey Coleman was an even stupider move: he cost the Bills $3.5 million in dead cap money for a week or ten days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 20 minutes ago, Fadingpain said: Something that needs to be remembered here! This organization decided, for a variety of reasons, that Allen was not ready and he should not start this year, or at least the early part of the year. The fact that Peterman sucks and cannot be played doesn't change that fact! If Allen goes in, the organization looks like a bunch of idiots who have painted themselves in a corner, as the OP suggests. If Peterman plays, they are basically conceding a tank year and in danger of losing the room. They really can't win and they are going to look bad however this plays out. It was a colossal mistake to get rid of AJ, as middling a talent as he is. They're getting what they deserve for their incompetence. IMO, Beane was hired because he shared Russ Brandon's "money ball" philosophy. Saving some $$ seems the only rationale for trading away a veteran QB if the starter has had 2 NFL starts, and his backup is a rookie not deemed ready to face NFL defenses. He seems as incompetent at doing that as he's been in judging FA talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayjent Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 4 hours ago, BigBuff423 said: If you're really strong, and really focus I'm sure you can catch it.... You know....the sky that's falling. Buh-bye now.... Stick to being nice. You’re not good at being a dick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 (edited) I'm not ready to throw in the towel on the Beane/McDermott regime after one game with a second string QB having one NFL start to his credit. It looks like we were not ready and I don't rule out a lost season of growing pains. Watching the Jets and Darnold I am convinced we need to start Allen and go with him Edited September 10, 2018 by stuvian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CamboBill Posted September 10, 2018 Author Share Posted September 10, 2018 1 hour ago, BUFFALOBART said: We paid McCarron a $4M bonus, and we get to eat it. 5th rounder. The decision is even worse than i thought it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baskingridgebillsfan Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 this is Beane's mess. I don't think the coach is great but he didn't put this roster together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baskingridgebillsfan Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 1 minute ago, ScottLaw said: Peterman is all McDermott. He loves the guy. Why? No idea. agreed . The roster is still a mess . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helpmenow Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 (edited) McDermott maybe wrestles with his boyfriend Peterman Edited September 11, 2018 by Helpmenow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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