BuffaloBill Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 1 minute ago, ScottLaw said: Right. Those guys were the reason they were .500. What a lazy and awful retort. 1 minute ago, ScottLaw said: Right. Those guys were the reason they were .500. What a lazy and awful retort. So so what is your brilliant response? The point was simply that the guy was lamenting the loss of players who hardly made the Bills world class. Dareus has hardly lived up to his potential and he certainly played under his big contract. Glenn was coming off injury. The Bills sucked today. So there is hysteria aplenty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 They even look worse than Ryan's teams, and that's really a bad omen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde Smith Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 At least the next few games are looking easier due to injuries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 6 minutes ago, Batman1876 said: Keeping those 3 would have cost 25 mil more than their dead cap hit. I don’t get why people talk about star as a big signing, he was a discount veteran, that’s what he has played like. Look at Beane’s situation and the resources he had. To address it and then the bad roster makes a lot more sense. 1 draft and 25 mil in cap space is not enough to rebuild a team. If we kept Tyrod, Darius and Glenn then we would have had about 15 mil to sign our rookies and free agents. No. Let's set aside the others and focus on Dareus vs. Star. Dareus: 2018 cash payout = $10.175 million Star 2018 cash = $17.1 million (including a huge signing bonus) And then there's the related dead cap issue that doesn't of course count in actually how much money the Pegulas have to pay out, but does impinge on Beane's ability to build an otherwise competitive roster this year. So again, it's as if Beane valued the ability to draft Wyatt Teller at $7 million this year. Or that he valued getting Dareus out of the locker room at $7 million. Or some other weird theory like that, because although I was frustrated as hell with Dareus' play and off the field issues, he's clearly still a better - and, paradoxically, from the Bills perspective a CHEAPER - player than Star. It's a real headscratcher to say the least. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocbillsfan1 Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 0-16 here we come. The Buffalo Browns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 32 minutes ago, buffaloboyinATL said: None of this bothers me as long as Allen plays this year and shows signs of being a real honest to goodness franchise QB. If that happens, I am confident we will continue to improve and be comepetetive in the next 3-4 years. If Allen doesn’t play or does not flash the ability I believe he has... we are in trouble... How is Allen supposed to show "signs of being a real honest to goodness franchise QB" when he's playing behind a crap-arsed OL and throwing to slow, stone-handed receivers???? McDermott and Beane have practically guaranteed that Allen is going to suck this season -- and probably into the future because I doubt that the Bills will be able to fix both problems, not with all the other holes that McDermott and Beane have created. 13 minutes ago, BuffaloRush said: He's not really flourishing. He's part of a DL rotation. It's not like he's an All-Pro. great hyperbole though He stopped a Giants' drive by sacking Eli and forcing a 4th down when the Giants seemed to be building some momentum on offense. How many sacks did Star have today? 9 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said: So so you want all of them back? Live in perennial .500 football? Go ahead. Damn right. Beats the crap out of perennial .125 - .1875 football. Dareus > Star. Taylor > Peterman. Glenn > Dawkins. Dawkins could have then been moved to RT, giving the Bills a much better OL than they have now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman1876 Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 11 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: No. Let's set aside the others and focus on Dareus vs. Star. Dareus: 2018 cash payout = $10.175 million Star 2018 cash = $17.1 million (including a huge signing bonus) And then there's the related dead cap issue that doesn't of course count in actually how much money the Pegulas have to pay out, but does impinge on Beane's ability to build an otherwise competitive roster this year. So again, it's as if Beane valued the ability to draft Wyatt Teller at $7 million this year. Or that he valued getting Dareus out of the locker room at $7 million. Or some other weird theory like that, because although I was frustrated as hell with Dareus' play and off the field issues, he's clearly still a better - and, paradoxically, from the Bills perspective a CHEAPER - player than Star. It's a real headscratcher to say the least. You hit it on the head, the cap savings, the draft pick and getting rid of a player underperforming g his contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, SoTier said: How is Allen supposed to show "signs of being a real honest to goodness franchise QB" when he's playing behind a crap-arsed OL and throwing to slow, stone-handed receivers???? McDermott and Beane have practically guaranteed that Allen is going to suck this season -- and probably into the future because I doubt that the Bills will be able to fix both problems, not with all the other holes that McDermott and Beane have created. To me, when he shows good mobility in the pocket, the ability to keep his eyes downfield and go through his progressions and make a somewhat accurate throw, I am happy. If it happens to bounce off the receivers chest or slip through his hands, that’s on the WR not the QB. We will be able to tell if he is progressing, in spite of the lack of talent around him. i also believe a franchise QB elevates the play of the team around them, so hopefully we see some of that too. Edited September 10, 2018 by buffaloboyinATL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman1876 Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 6 minutes ago, SoTier said: How is Allen supposed to show "signs of being a real honest to goodness franchise QB" when he's playing behind a crap-arsed OL and throwing to slow, stone-handed receivers???? McDermott and Beane have practically guaranteed that Allen is going to suck this season -- and probably into the future because I doubt that the Bills will be able to fix both problems, not with all the other holes that McDermott and Beane have created. He stopped a Giants' drive by sacking Eli and forcing a 4th down when the Giants seemed to be building some momentum on offense. How many sacks did Star have today? Damn right. Beats the crap out of perennial .125 - .1875 football. Dareus > Star. Taylor > Peterman. Glenn > Dawkins. Dawkins could have then been moved to RT, giving the Bills a much better OL than they have now. So you’d rather have those guys than Edmunds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 (edited) Random thoughts. Dareus contract hurts but we should still see a bright spot or two today but we did not see any other than respectable (not great) punts. As far as Watkins goes we were not going to be able to resign him given our cap at that point in time and his likely demands. OL to this point is so bad Shady will go to waste unless Allen comes on quick and does the pass to set up the run. Peterman can't loosen the defense. The Ravens most likely are that good and until game time I did not realize how much they bolstered their receiving corps. We will trend up eventually but the reality is we will see at a minimum of 4 playoff teams and perhaps more along with a couple that will just miss the playoffs. Just not going to be our year unless something changes. Went outside to mow lawn to blow off steam during the second and early third quarters and will have to hope the lawn keeps growing for a while by the way things look. I am old enough now that I don't want to plow snow to blow off steam when late season gets here so I need to get some projects on the drawing board for after Thanksgiving if the trend holds. Edited September 10, 2018 by RochesterRob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 6 minutes ago, Batman1876 said: So you’d rather have those guys than Edmunds? Edmunds hasn't proven squat yet, but a good GM can find good and even great players outside of the first round. Maybe the Bills need better scouts. In fact, I'd say, that they definitely need better scouts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman1876 Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 (edited) 22 minutes ago, SoTier said: Edmunds hasn't proven squat yet, but a good GM can find good and even great players outside of the first round. Maybe the Bills need better scouts. In fact, I'd say, that they definitely need better scouts. What makes you think their scouts are bad? Edmunds looks to be a very promising player, if take him over 3 players who would have taken up about 30% of the cap. Edited September 10, 2018 by Batman1876 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 4 minutes ago, Batman1876 said: What makes you think their scouts are bad? Teams don't decide to obtain players without input from their scouting departments -- or they probably shouldn't. Player evaluation, both for college players and veterans, depends upon good scouting, and the Bills haven't been very so far that good with McDermott and Beane calling personnel shots. They hit on White and probably on Dawkins, but Jones looks like a bust in the making. The rest of the 2017 draft class hasn't shown much. It's really too early to judge the 2018 draft class but the 2018 FA signees are almost all terrible. Under Whaley, the Bills continually found success with bargain FA signings and trades as well as with draft picks outside the first round, which says that the Bills had a pretty good scouting department at the time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 Realistically the only question I have on this team: Are we this bad on purpose, or is McBeane that bad at their jobs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 No team would deliberately look this bad this early in the season ... or any time in the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman1876 Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 7 minutes ago, SoTier said: Teams don't decide to obtain players without input from their scouting departments -- or they probably shouldn't. Player evaluation, both for college players and veterans, depends upon good scouting, and the Bills haven't been very so far that good with McDermott and Beane calling personnel shots. They hit on White and probably on Dawkins, but Jones looks like a bust in the making. The rest of the 2017 draft class hasn't shown much. It's really too early to judge the 2018 draft class but the 2018 FA signees are almost all terrible. Under Whaley, the Bills continually found success with bargain FA signings and trades as well as with draft picks outside the first round, which says that the Bills had a pretty good scouting department at the time. Tre, Dion and Milano all look to be good picks. Jones is a question mark, and peterman and Tanner were misses. That’s not a bad draft. You are right that the pro scouts look dubious, but it also seems like they were trying to find hidden gems in the discount bin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 1 hour ago, BuffaloRush said: It's a joke. But I do feel that Bills fans will romanticize about former players/coaches/GM's. I didn't think Whaley was very good as GM but many fans still pine for him. It's no surprise he's been out of the league for the 2 years since he got the axe. Need to give some clues it was a joke for it was not funny and just sounded stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 At least it can't get any worse than Tyrod and last year, amirite? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Fong Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 Without a doubt. Nathan Peterman is the worst starting QB in Bills history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 I'm gonna throw a crazy idea out there. Beane seems to be a good drafter. Whaley is a witch at pro personnel. Bring back Whaley as the pro personnel guy. MADE YOU LOOK! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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