Cohen's Plea Deal and its Implications for Trump

[Koko78]

8 hours ago, dpberr said:

If Congress didn't impeach Clinton who allegedly committed his crimes while in office, I highly doubt they will impeach a President for allegedly crimes before assuming office.

 

Clinton was impeached...

[Koko78]

1 hour ago, 3rdnlng said:

Lanny Davis is a Clinton hack lawyer. Why would he get involved with Cohen?

 

Because double-tap suicides happen on their own.

[Deranged Rhino]

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[BillsFan4]

 

 

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With respect to counts seven and eight, as the defendant allocuted, and as detailed in the information filed today, the government would prove that the defendant caused an illegal corporate contribution of $150,000 to be made in coordination with a candidate or campaign for federal office, and also that Mr. Cohen made an excessive contribution of $130,000 in coordination with the campaign or candidate for purposes of influencing the election.

 

The proof on these counts at trial would establish that these payments were made in order to ensure that each recipient of the payments did not publicize their stories of alleged affairs with the candidate. This evidence would include:

Records obtained from an April 9, 2018 series of search warrants on Mr. Cohen’s premises including hard copy documents, seized electronic devices, and audio recordings made by Mr. Cohen.

 

We would also offer text messages, messages sent over encrypted applications, phone records, and email.

 

We would also submit various records produced to us via subpoena, including records from the corporation referenced in the information as Corporation One and records from the media company also referenced in the information.

 

 

Edited August 23, 2018 by BillsFan4

[Nanker]

11 hours ago, 3rdnlng said:

Lanny Davis is a Clinton hack lawyer. Why would he get involved with Cohen?

He offered his services pro bono. Cohen's broke or near broke. So he hopped into bed with a Clintonista and did a double single digit salute to the POTUS. 

Of course now, like any lizard of ill repute, Davis wants to get paid... 

 

11 hours ago, BeginnersMind said:

 

 

What does glowing even mean. 

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=glowing

[B-Man]

From the link that Buffalo Gal posted in the other thread.....................

 

SALENA ZITO: Why Trump’s supporters won’t care about Cohen and Manafort’s convictions.

In the aftermath of Tuesday’s news that both former Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort and his lawyer Michael Cohen were found on the wrong side of the law in separate court cases, the question asked most frequently by the press, Democrats and “Never Trump” Republicans is, “Where do Trump voters go now?”

The answer is the same that it has always been since they first started asking it Nov. 9, 2016: With Trump.

 

This new conservative populist coalition is not the fluke the political class hoped it was. Donald Trump did not cause it, he is just the result of it, so no matter what he does, it continues. It is predicated on them, not him. (this what the libs on PPP cannot grasp)

 

The coalition is a strike at not just tone deafness in both Congress and the White House but also high levels of incompetence, negligence and shoddy performance at agencies, as well as inept social services, a bloated and incompetent bureaucracy, endless wars and multinational agreements and treaties that don’t benefit average people.

 

These voters knew who Trump was going in, they knew he was a thrice-married, Playmate dating, Howard Stern regular who had the morals of an alley cat. They were willing to look past all of that because of how institutions had failed their communities for three consecutive presidencies.

 

Right now the value of Trump to the Trump voter is he is all that stands between them and handing the keys to Washington back over to the people inside Washington. That’s it. He’s their only option. You’ve got to pick the insiders or him.

 

So the question becomes: Can the Democrats pick someone who is Trump? Someone who just says, “I don’t trust anybody in Washington either. They all suck. The Democrats sucks, the Republicans suck and Trump’s a crook.”

If they could pick a Trump for their side, then Trump could have a problem. But as it stands we only really only have two parties; the party of the governing elite and the party of Trump.

 

That is why they stick with him.

 

 

I think this is right.

 

[Tiberius]

Let's not forget that Cohen's guilt in a conspiracy with Trump is only a bridge into the much more serious crime of conspiracy with Russia. Manafort's also. Just because Trump cultists don't think anything Trump has done should be considered a crime doesn't mean good, honest Americans won't see it for what it is. Clinton was impeached for less than this. 

 

And the real story is still to be told. Trump throwing around terms like "Rat" and "Loyalty" and obviously obstructing justice, claiming that getting information from Russia was "ok", "everyone would do it" shows that he is acting guilty. Robert Mueller will probably go quiet for the election season, but he will be heard once the mid terms are done and perhaps Dems win a majority. We are only at the end of the beginning with this thing, not the beginning of the end. 

 

 

[Teddy KGB]

2 hours ago, Tiberius said:

Let's not forget that Cohen's guilt in a conspiracy with Trump is only a bridge into the much more serious crime of conspiracy with Russia. Manafort's also. Just because Trump cultists don't think anything Trump has done should be considered a crime doesn't mean good, honest Americans won't see it for what it is. Clinton was impeached for less than this. 

 

And the real story is still to be told. Trump throwing around terms like "Rat" and "Loyalty" and obviously obstructing justice, claiming that getting information from Russia was "ok", "everyone would do it" shows that he is acting guilty. Robert Mueller will probably go quiet for the election season, but he will be heard once the mid terms are done and perhaps Dems win a majority. We are only at the end of the beginning with this thing, not the beginning of the end. 

 

 

 

Russia is a bigger threat than those 20 nazi’s in VA. 

 

Good work laundry boy.   

[Tiberius]

8 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

Russia is a bigger threat than those 20 nazi’s in VA. 

 

Good work laundry boy.   

Who says they are different threats? Remember what Franco said about his fifth column. 

 

I never dry on high, it shrinks the clothes and I hate that 

[B-Man]

JIM BROWN: ‘I Find Myself Really Pulling for the President.’

 

 

Yes................That Jim Brown.

 

 

 

ADDED:

WHY IS FACEBOOK BLOCKING Salena Zito’s article on Trump supporters?

I’m seeing a lot of complaints on Facebook about legitimate links being blocked as spam last night and tonight.

 

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Edited August 23, 2018 by B-Man

[3rdnlng]

10 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Who says they are different threats? Remember what Franco said about his fifth column. 

 

I never dry on high, it shrinks the clothes and I hate that 

Hint---take the clothes off before you try to dry your kitty.

[B-Man]

Cohen lawyer denies CNN report on Trump prior knowledge of Trump Tower meeting

Posted by Mary Chastain

 

Does Michael Cohen have information that Donald Trump knew of Trump Tower meeting beforehand? “No, he does not,” replied Lanny Davis

 

[Buffalo_Gal]

1 hour ago, B-Man said:

JIM BROWN: ‘I Find Myself Really Pulling for the President.’

 

 

Yes................That Jim Brown.

 

 

 

ADDED:

WHY IS FACEBOOK BLOCKING Salena Zito’s article on Trump supporters?

I’m seeing a lot of complaints on Facebook about legitimate links being blocked as spam last night and tonight..

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Like Twitter, packs of people get together to "report" content. So, not only does valuable content fight with the Facebook algorithms (basically pay to play), it fights with the swarms that want to suppress free speech. Since it is nearly impossible to contact Facebook (although if you have a campaign ad manager at facebook, and she may not, but the NY Post should, you can gain access to a live body at Facebook that way), these report attacks work.

And anyway, what does it matter? Trump's supporters are the ones that want to suppress free speech!!!   (sarcasm people)

[Thurmal34]

6 hours ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

And anyway, what does it matter? Trump's supporters are the ones that want to suppress free speech!!!   (sarcasm people)

 

Maybe I’m wrong, but aren’t they actively working to suppress freedom of the press?

Edited August 24, 2018 by Thurmal34

[Deranged Rhino]

No maybe about it. 

[RaoulDuke79]

Hahaha.....so we have a turncoat lawyer, a porn star, and, now the National Enquirer in the mix. Sounds like a Jerry Springer episode if I ever heard one. Unfortunately people are taking this seriously. 

Edited August 24, 2018 by RaoulDuke79

[Thurmal34]

4 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said:

Hahaha.....so we have a turncoat lawyer, a porn star, and, now the National Enquirer in the mix. Sounds like a Jerry Springer episode of I ever heard one. Unfortunately people are taking this seriously. 

 

Only the best people!

[Teddy KGB]

2 hours ago, Thurmal34 said:

 

Maybe I’m wrong, but aren’t they actively working to suppress freedom of the press?

 

You are an absolute idiot if you think this. 

 

 

[Thurmal34]

1 minute ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

You are an absolute idiot if you think this. 

 

 

 

And here is supression 101 - insult the person who thinks something is suppressive. 

 

At at least your handle has KGB in it so we can know you are Trumpian. 

[Teddy KGB]

2 minutes ago, Thurmal34 said:

 

And here is supression 101 - insult the person who thinks something is suppressive. 

 

At at least your handle has KGB in it so we can know you are Trumpian. 

 

You forgot to call me a misogynist racist 

 

You're all in on the derp train 

 

I’ll let you get back to the Anderson Cooper/Don Lemon show ?????

Edited August 24, 2018 by Teddy KGB

[Wagon Circler]

On 8/22/2018 at 10:32 AM, TakeYouToTasker said:

 

It's not even a criminal offense, but rather a civil offense.

 

And that's if Trump is even guilty, because his campaign was almost entirely self-funded.

Yeah the 15 million he got from Putin via the NRA doesn't count. Or the Kochs.

Edited August 24, 2018 by Wagon Circler

[Thurmal34]

1 minute ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

You forgot to call me a misogynist racist 

 

Why would I? Did you say something negative about women?

Pecker with complete immunity. Cohen about to spill to the SDNY. 

 

The best people. 

[Teddy KGB]

Just now, Thurmal34 said:

 

Why would I? Did you say something negative about women?

 

Because I’ve written you off as a clown after your remarks about the media suppression 

 

 

 

[Thurmal34]

Just now, Teddy KGB said:

 

Because I’ve written you off as a clown after your remarks about the media suppression 

 

 

 

 

And yet you reply. If you’ve written me off, don’t say another word. Just stop and let my buffoonery speak for itself.

 

 

[B-Man]

13 minutes ago, Wagon Circler said:

Yeah the 15 million he got from Putin via the NRA doesn't count. Or the Kochs.

 

 

Holey Moley, how do you type with that straight jacket on ?

 

Please say that you were trying to be funny.

 

[Thurmal34]

2 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

Holey Moley, how do you type with that straight jacket on ?

 

Please say that you were trying to be funny.

 

 

Keep telling us about the best people and the best economy (that’s been rising for the last 30 quarters).

 

Come on, tell us how we are all wrong and can’t think for ourselves! 

[Teddy KGB]

19 minutes ago, Thurmal34 said:

 

And yet you reply. If you’ve written me off, don’t say another word. Just stop and let my buffoonery speak for itself.

 

 

 

K, was checking to see if you really believed the media line you stated.   

 

Obviously you do.      Obviously you’re a shmuck. ??‍♂️

[Thurmal34]

2 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

     Obviously you’re a shmuck. ??‍♂️

 

Thanks! If you believe it, it must be true. 

 

Bottom line - we have a president who cares more about himself than America. You pointed that out so thanks!

[Teddy KGB]

1 minute ago, Thurmal34 said:

 

Thanks! If you believe it, it must be true. 

 

Bottom line - we have a president who cares more about himself than America. You pointed that out so thanks!

 

You should thank him for winning.     We dodged a major bullet.   

 

 

[Thurmal34]

27 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

You should thank him for winning.     We dodged a major bullet.   

 

 

 

Right so we don’t care about moral life. 

 

What’s he been winning at?

[Teddy KGB]

9 minutes ago, Thurmal34 said:

 

Right so we don’t care about moral life. 

 

What’s he been winning at?

 

What hasn’t he been winning at ? 

 

Life is good for all out my way.      Everyone holds the door for each other and has a job. 

 

The cnn life you describe is fake news 

 

I’ll let you caterwaul and act like anything has changed besides all the kooks and the tears 

Edited August 24, 2018 by Teddy KGB

[Buffalo_Gal]

11 hours ago, Thurmal34 said:

 

Maybe I’m wrong, but aren’t they actively working to suppress freedom of the press?

If you are saying the left, particularly the Democratic leadership and their handlers (big donators) are working to suppress free speech, you are absolutely correct.  ? Antifa and "shut up racist!" isn't out there to engage in a lively discussion. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

10 hours ago, Teddy KGB said:

caterwaul

 

You'll be hearing from my copyright attorney

 

[B-Man]

The 'Echo Chamber' Isn't A Conspiracy Theory, It's A Fact

By David Harsanyi

 

 

The New Yorker’s new blockbuster piece exposing the 'echo chamber' conspiracy memo only helps prove the document's contention.

 

When I finally got to the end of a supposed blockbuster piece by the New Yorker’s Adam Entous and Ronan Farrow regarding a dark conspiracy theory that had been spreading within the Trump White House, I was struck by two things: 1) the innocuousness of the memo in question, and 2) how the basis of the memo was plainly true. The piece, in fact, goes a long way in substantiating the memo’s contention about the media, allowing former Obama administration officials and their allies to offer ludicrous claims without even a scintilla of journalistic skepticism.

 

To put the reporting in some perspective, the memo is 478 words long. Much of the short document is nothing more than names and titles. The breathless piece, more conspiratorial than the memo, contains 1,360 words of assumptions and misleading characterizations about the both the document and Obama officials.

 

Here is a taste: “Some of the same conspiracy theories expressed in the memo appear in internal documents from an Israeli private-intelligence firm that mounted a covert effort to collect damaging information about aides to President Obama who had advocated for the Iran deal,” claims the New Yorker.

For one thing, you don’t need an Israeli private-intelligence firm (in this case, the scary sounding and secretive “Black Cube”) to write a run-of-the-mill political oppo memo that could have been thrown together by anyone using public reports in less than an hour. This was my thought as I fruitlessly read the piece once again searching for these supposed conspiracy theories.

 

The unsigned memo alleges that the “communications infrastructure” of the Obama White House that was used to “sell Obamacare and the Iran Deal to the public” had been moved to the private sector. This is a circumstance known to be true to anyone who’s paid any attention to the news over the past two years. The memo also cites former Deputy National Security Advisor Ben Rhodes as “likely the brain behind this operation” and Colin Kahl, Vice-President Joe Biden’s former national-security adviser, as its “likely ops chief.” All this is “likely” true.

 

Rhodes and Kahl told the reporters that the “allegations” are false “and no such organization exists.” That’s nice. But the memo doesn’t say anything about being part of an official “organization,” it claims there is a “communications infrastructure” engaged in undermining the administration. People can work in concerted ways without being official members of SPECTRE.

 

So, a more useful question for Rhodes (and others) would have been: ‘Do you communicate with the former Obama officials named in the memo to plan and implement strategies intended to undercut the Trump administration’s foreign policy goals — especially on Iran? For instance, did you have a role in former Secretary of State John Kerry’s meeting with Iran’s foreign minister and other world leaders and diplomats to save the nuclear deal despite the official position of the U.S. government?  Do you engage in any other shadow diplomacy?’

 

Or perhaps they could have asked, ‘Do you, or do you know if other former Obama officials continue to leak intel they have gathered from allies still working in government to feed it to friendly reporters at mainstream media outlets? Do these reporters, at places like The Atlantic, NBC News and CNN, still regurgitate those politically motivated leaks willingly and without question, as you once claimed?’

 

Now, of course, NBC News’s Andrea Mitchell or The New York Times’ Max Fisher aren’t sitting down and plotting their pro-Iran talking points with former Obama officials; but in effect, it doesn’t matter. Both of them, and many other supposedly unbiased journalists, simultaneously parroted a litany of lies that Iran-deal proponents fed (or signaled) to them.

 

More at the link: http://thefederalist.com/2018/08/24/the-echo-chamber-isnt-a-conspiracy-theory-its-a-fact/#.W4AxQ-oHogw.twitter

[DC Tom]

6 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

Now, of course, NBC News’s Andrea Mitchell or The New York Times’ Max Fisher aren’t sitting down and plotting their pro-Iran talking points with former Obama officials

 

And why would they?  They've been parroting the official White House line well before Obama.  Hell, their biggest complaint about Bush 2 was that the White House wasn't giving them talking points, but was actually making them work for a living.  Realistically, they've been doing this since 1991 - Peter Arnett was one of the last to actively pursue a story on his own, staying in Baghdad to report from the Iraqi side of Desert Storm.

 

Since then, it's been increasingly just parroting official statements.  And parrots have no need for plotting.

 

Really, if the NYT wasn't so busy staring at their own navels and smelling their own farts, they'd see this.

[Wagon Circler]

On 8/22/2018 at 10:35 AM, 3rdnlng said:

Anyone who hires Lanny Davis as their attorney has no facts on his side but needs a filthy partisan to make up a bunchofshit.

As opposed to like,  Giuliani?

[Nanker]

Lanny Davis is a lawyer and lobbyist and political advisor.

Giuliani was a Federal Prosecutor who brought the Mob down in NYC, was mayor of our country's largest city, and was a stabilizing, uniting force in the wake of the 911 attacks.

 

Davis is just a political opportunist. Love how his "pro bono" work for Cohen suddenly has a Go Fund Me account. It should be a Go !@#$ Me account.

[B-Man]

Lanny Davis, Michael Cohen's lawyer, tells the Post on the record that he was saying things he did not know to be true.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/attorney-for-michael-cohen-backs-away-from-confidence-that-cohen-has-information-about-trumps-knowledge-on-russian-efforts/2018/08/26/09d7f26e-a876-11e8-97ce-cc9042272f07_story.html?utm_term=.54898e1de238

 

 

But, we got the latest Fake Trump slant out there anyway.

 

Great work everyone !

 

 

 

 

 

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[Buffalo_Gal]

 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

12 hours ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

 

 

For the life of me, I don't understand how Rosenstein still has a job.