Carucci: Fixing footwork has allowed Josh Allen to make big strides with the Bills

[Boca BIlls]

59 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

No one that I know of. It was a hypothetical. Can a QB be inaccurate but throw for high completion % if all he throws is short and dump offs?  What do you think?

 

Geno Smith

[Hapless Bills Fan]

On 8/22/2018 at 8:40 AM, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

.....probably does just fine free lancing as an instructor at his own pace versus being tied to the rigors of one team......

 

I was thinking that, also.  Gets to live where he wants, possibly better rate of pay than a lower-tier assistant coach, and less stress

On 8/23/2018 at 12:14 AM, Richard Noggin said:

Hold the phone. 

 

Do bananas come from cows?!? 

 

No, they're cloned

 

Seriously

[Fetou]

7 hours ago, reddogblitz said:

 

No one that I know of. It was a hypothetical. Can a QB be inaccurate but throw for high completion % if all he throws is short and dump offs?  What do you think?

 

If I recall, Losman couldn't handle the short throws, flats, and dump offs, but had a very nice deep ball.

[Bangarang]

On 8/22/2018 at 1:36 PM, pi2000 said:

I've give more credit to Josh Allen than Jordan Palmer for fixing his footwork.

 

Anybody can look at tape, watch a guy a throw and tell him what to fix.

 

However, it's not often you see a player these days as highly touted as Allen who so willingly accepts his own faults and has the discipline to work so tediously on correcting them.    Most guys in his position are more interested in collecting a pay check.     Josh Allen truly loves the game of football, it's his passion... that alone will take him a long way.  

 

I think you are grossly understating just how much these players work at their craft. How can you speak for most guys in his position?

[Gigs]

On 8/22/2018 at 8:55 AM, Juice_32 said:

The Bills MVP this year might be Jordan Plamer, who'd have thunk it.

 

He seems like a great teacher. I'd imagine he will be a very busy man going into the 2019 draft.

I can just hear some drunk Bostonian slurring out Jordan Palmer’s name this way

 

Jaahdan Plaameh! What ah ya doin kid?!

[SoTier]

On 8/22/2018 at 9:16 AM, Bring it said:

Awesome stuff! Apparently Allen is very coachable and learns quickly. That’s not much time to put it into his game even under pressure, so far. Kid has poise!!

 

This is the most promising thing about Allen.  Most QBs who hit the pros struggle to change/improve their mechanics/footwork, but there have been a few outstanding examples of QBs who did change and became pretty good: Tony Romo, Aaron Rodgers, and Tom Brady.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

2 hours ago, Fetou said:

If I recall, Losman couldn't handle the short throws, flats, and dump offs, but had a very nice deep ball.

 

...always seemed to have a case of "happy feet" which made it worse............

[Punching Bag]

On 8/22/2018 at 10:54 AM, Sky Diver said:

Warren Moon completed less than 50% of his passed in college. He/s now in the Hall of Fame.

 

Analytics is just a tool.

 

Way overblown by the analytics nuts most of whom have probably never even taken a basic stats course.

 

Have you seen reliable stats on how many took basic stats course (I was an honors math major) or is this just a made it up stats as reliable as those you criticize?

On 8/22/2018 at 2:20 PM, wppete said:

I heard a few interviews of Josh’s coach at Wyoming and sounded like he knows what he was talked nf about. However he is no getting elite coaching with the Bills and Dabol & Co. I think we will see a lot of improvement. Can’t wait to see him in a couple of years tearing up the AFC EAST. 

 

Craig Bohl knows coaching but not how to correct a QB.  Not sure Bills' coaching staff does either but hopefully Jordan Palmer can continue to work wish Mr. Allen and there is an ironclad no information release clause in contract AND that information is not in a database easily hacked like mine was at OMB within first month of filing paperwork.

[Punching Bag]

On 8/22/2018 at 5:58 PM, atlbillsfan1975 said:

He played at Wyoming with Wyoming level coaching and players. 

 

Craig Bohl is a good football coach but only been in Wyoming for 4 years and I am sure it is hard for him to pick up a good staff.

It is clear that Allen had fundamentals down right unlike some spread offense QBs.

[Sky Diver]

1 hour ago, Limeaid said:

 

Have you seen reliable stats on how many took basic stats course (I was an honors math major) or is this just a made it up stats as reliable as those you criticize?

 

Craig Bohl knows coaching but not how to correct a QB.  Not sure Bills' coaching staff does either but hopefully Jordan Palmer can continue to work wish Mr. Allen and there is an ironclad no information release clause in contract AND that information is not in a database easily hacked like mine was at OMB within first month of filing paperwork.

 

25% of HS students have taken stats. 8% have taken AP stats.

 

How many actually understand it is unknown. Being generous, maybe 1/3 - 1/2?

 

https://mobile.edweek.org/c.jsp?cid=25920011&item=http%3A%2F%2Fapi.edweek.org%2Fv1%2Fblogs%2F59%2F%3Fuuid%3D59963

 

What is your point regarding statistics?

Edited August 25, 2018 by Sky Diver

[NoSaint]

23 hours ago, reddogblitz said:

 

Surely your'e not being negative about our Alabama QB.

 

Serious question.  Do you think an inaccurate QB can be accurate on short passes but not intermediate or long?

 

 

Yes. 

 

If arm strength or reading a defense are issues especially. Fitz as an example would break down trying to go deep or zip in an intermediate. But that weaker armed guy might have good touch in the short game with screens, swings, slants and crossing patterns underneath.

 

granted, if he can’t hit deep balls those windows close quick underneath and it gets tough.

[ColoradoBills]

2 hours ago, Limeaid said:

 

Craig Bohl knows coaching but not how to correct a QB.  Not sure Bills' coaching staff does either but hopefully Jordan Palmer can continue to work wish Mr. Allen and there is an ironclad no information release clause in contract AND that information is not in a database easily hacked like mine was at OMB within first month of filing paperwork.

 

2 hours ago, Limeaid said:

 

Craig Bohl is a good football coach but only been in Wyoming for 4 years and I am sure it is hard for him to pick up a good staff.

It is clear that Allen had fundamentals down right unlike some spread offense QBs.

 

While it is true Craig Bohl was both HC for Josh Allen and Carson Wentz and can take some credit for their development, both QBs had the same

Offensive Coordinator/QB Coach.

 

Brent Vigen is that coach.  While I do not want to diminish Coach Vigen's expertise, but his entire player/coaching knowledge has been limited to

North Dakota State and Wyoming.  I'm sure he helped both QBs but I'm willing to bet there was plenty of things not addressed as well as a Jordan Palmer

and/or NFL coaching staffs could provide.

 

If anyone is interested this is from the Wyoming site about Brent Vigen.

 

https://gowyo.com/staff.aspx?staff=121

 

 

Brent Vigen was elevated to Associate Head Coach in the spring of 2017.  He will continue in his roles as offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach for the fifth consecutive season in 2018, and will be entering his 21st year as a college coach and his 10th as an offensive coordinator.

Vigen coached and developed junior quarterback Josh Allen, who became the highest NFL Draft pick in Wyoming school history when the Buffalo Bills selected him as the No. 7 overall pick in the 2018  NFL Draft.  Allen was also the second highest selection by any Mountain West Conference player in history behind only Alex Smith of Utah, who was selected No. 1 overall in the 2005 NFL Draft.  Vigen’s 2017 offense was extremely efficient in the red zone, scoring on 33 of 34 red-zone opportunities to rank No. 2 in the nation.  The offense also did an excellent job of protecting the ball, committing only 14 turnovers to rank No. 19 in the country.  UW’s offense combined with its defense (38 turnovers forced) to rank No. 1 in the nation in turnover margn, with a +24 turnover margin.  

The 2016 Cowboy offense averaged 35.9 points per game to rank No. 2 in the Mountain West and No. 25 in the nation.  The passing game, averaged 15.3 yards per completion to rank No. 8 in the NCAA, and in red-zone offense the Pokes converted 90.6 percent of their red-zone opportunities into scores to rank 14th in the country.  Wyoming’s offense ranked No. 1 in the MW and No. 22 in the NCAA in first downs (312), was No. 32 in the nation in time of possession (31:34), ranked No. 33 in the country in passing efficiency (143.82 rating) and No. 36 in the nation in rushing offense, averaging 205.4 yards per game.  Running back Brian Hill earned Third Team All-America honors from College Sports Madness and center Chase Roullier was named Second Team All-American by USA Today.  Tight end Jacob Hollister joined Hill and Roullier as First Team All-Mountain West selections, and quarterback Josh Allen and wide receiver Tanner Gentry earned Second Team All-MW honors.  Hill was one of 10 national semifinalists for the Doak Walker Award.  Roullier was named to the Outland Trophy and Rotary Lombardi Award Watch Lists, and Gentry was named to the Biletnikoff Award Watch List.  Hill was selected in the fifth round of the 2017 NFL Draft by the Atlanta Falcons.  Roullier was drafted in the sixth round by the Washington Redskins.  Gentry signed a free-agent contract with the Chicago Bears, and Hollister signed as a free agent with the New England Patriots.  

In 2015, Vigen’s offense had two individuals earn All-Mountain West honors as sophomore running back Hill and junior offensive lineman Roullier both earned Second Team All-Conference honors.  Hill was one of 11 semifinalists for the Doak Walker Award in 2015 and was the only semifinalist from a non-Power Five conference.  Junior wide receiver Gentry was also named to the Biletnikoff Award Watch List in 2015.  The 2015 Wyoming offense ranked sixth in the Mountain West in passing efficiency, with a rating of 135.0.  

Vigen’s 2014 Cowboy offense featured Biletnikoff Award Watch List receiver Dominic Rufran, who was invited to a free-agent camp by the Atlanta Falcons following his senior season.  Another Cowboy senior, offensive tackle Connor Rains, signed as a free agent with the Denver Broncos following the 2014 season.  Vigen’s Wyoming offense was very effective at protecting the ball in 2014, committing only 18 turnovers to rank No. 4 in the MW and No. 33 in the nation.

Vigen served as the offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach at North Dakota State under current Wyoming head coach Craig Bohl from 2009-13.  He began his college coaching career at his alma mater, NDSU, in 1998.

Vigen was the offensive coordinator for each of North Dakota State’s three consecutive FCS National Championships in 2011, ‘12 and ‘13.  In 2013, Vigen’s offense at North Dakota State ranked No. 10 in the nation in scoring offense (38.7 points per game), No. 7 in rushing offense (257.3 yards per game), No. 14 in total offense (457.5 yards per game), No. 1 in third-down efficiency (55.4%), No. 3 in passing efficiency (164.9) and No. 6 in red-zone offense (89.2%). The 2013 NDSU offense also was one of only 12 FCS teams to average 200+ yards rushing and 200+ yards passing per game. The 2012 Bison offense ranked No. 7 in the nation in third-down efficiency (50.7%) and No. 16 in red-zone offense (89.2%). Vigen’s 2011 offense ranked No. 5 in the country in red-zone offense (91.1%).

From 2011 through 2013, Vigen helped NDSU to a 43-2 (.956) overall record and a 22-2 (.917) Missouri Valley Football Conference (MVFC) mark on way to its three consecutive FCS national titles.  The 2013 NDSU squad became the first undefeated (15-0) FCS National Champion since Marshall went 15-0 to win the 1996 title.  That 15-0 record by the Bison also set a North Dakota State school record.  NDSU extended its winning streak to 24 consecutive games with the 2013 FCS Championship.  That tied both the FCS and NDSU records for consecutive victories.  The University of Pennsylvania set the FCS record of 24 consecutive wins from 1992-95.  Montana later tied the record from 2001-02.  The NDSU record was originally set from 1964-66.  

Vigen coached quarterback Brock Jensen, who earned Third Team All-America honors from the Associated Press in 2013 and went on to sign a free-agent contract with the Miami Dolphins in the Spring of 2014.  Jensen was named the Missouri Valley Football Conference Offensive Player of the Year in 2013.  He also was named the: 2012 and 2013 NCAA Division I Championship Game MVP; the 2012 and 2013 College Sporting News FCS Playoff MVP; and the 2013 College Sports Journal FCS Playoff MVP.  Jensen ranked: No. 4 in the country in points responsible for in 2013 (264 points); No. 5 in the nation in passing efficiency (167.4 rating); No. 5 in passing TDs (34); No. 9 in the nation in completion percentage (66.3 percent); and No. 23 in passing yards (2,793).  Jensen set North Dakota State single-season passing records in 2011, throwing for 2,524 yards and broke that record with 2,793 passing yards in 2013.  He concluded his career as North Dakota State’s career passing leader, with 8,598 passing yards.

The 2013 Bison offense featured three All-Americans.  In addition to Jensen earning Third Team AP All-America honors, offensive tackle Billy Turner was named a Consensus All-American and fullback Andrew Grothmann earned First Team All-America recognition from The Sports Network.

In 2011, ‘12 and ‘13, the NDSU offense featured a pair of 1,000-yard rushers.  The 2011 season was the first time in NDSU school history that the Bison offense featured two 1,000-yard rushers and a 1,000-yard receiver in the same season.  Sam Ojuri rushed for 1,105 yards, and DJ McNorton tallied 1,020, while receiver Warren Holloway had 1,003 receiving yards.  In 2012, Ojuri (1,047 yards) and John Crockett (1,038) each rushed for 1,000 yards.  The 2013 season saw Ojuri (1,398) and Crockett (1,277) duplicate their 1,000-yard seasons of the previous year, while Vigen’s 2013 offense also featured 1,000-yard receiver Zach Vraa (1,191 receiving yards).

Vigen began his college coaching career as a graduate assistant for the Bison from 1998-2000.  He became a full-time coach in 2001, coaching the NDSU tight ends in 2001 and the quarterbacks in 2002.  He remained at his alma mater as the running backs coach in 2003 when Craig Bohl became head coach of the Bison.  From 2004-08, Vigen was elevated to passing game coordinator and quarterbacks coach, and in 2009 he was named offensive coordinator and continued to coach the Bison QBs.

He coached two-time All-America tight end Jared Peck in 2000 and 2001. Peck went on to sign a free-agent contract with the Denver Broncos.

Vigen helped to develop two-time Great West Football Conference Player of the Year, quarterback Steve Walker, who earned the honor in 2006 and 2007. North Dakota State was 8th in rushing offense (219.82 ypg) and 19th in total offense (400.09 ypg) in the 2009 NCAA Division I FCS statistics.  Running back Pat Paschall led the FCS in rushing yards per game (139.7) in 2009. 

As a player, Vigen was a tight end for the Bison from 1993-97.  He was part of three NCAA Division II Playoff squads in 1994, ‘95 and ‘97.  In 1994, he helped lead NDSU to the North Central Conference (NCC) Championship.  The Bison advanced to the NCAA Division II Quarterfinals in 1994 and ‘95 and the First Round of the 1997 Playoffs.   

A native of Buxton, N.D., Vigen earned his bachelor’s degree from NDSU in 1998 and completed his master’s degree, also from North Dakota State in 2000.  He and his wife, Molly, have three boys, Jake, Grant and Luke.  Molly played basketball at NDSU and was a member of the 1996 NCAA Division II National Championship team and three NCC title squads.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

After reading this article would think Rex Ryan has a gained alot of interest in Allen.

[Kelly the Dog]

On 8/22/2018 at 11:44 PM, reddogblitz said:

 

If you're inaccurate, you'll be inaccurate at those too.

Not really. There isn't an NFL player who is always inaccurate. Those are simple passes obviously, and while sometimes they are not thrown right on the money 90% of them for every QB are completed. They may not hit the guy on the dead run or the numbers but they are completions.

[GoodHands15]

22 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I was thinking that, also.  Gets to live where he wants, possibly better rate of pay than a lower-tier assistant coach, and less stress

 

No, they're cloned

 

Seriously

 

Do go on...

[Hapless Bills Fan]

12 minutes ago, GoodHands15 said:

 

Do go on...

 

The bananas we buy in the supermarket, the Cavendish, don’t have seeds.  New banana plants are propagated from slips of old banana plants, meaning each banana plant is genetically identical, clones of each other.  That means if a plant disease without an effective preventive strikes, “yes we have no bananas” will be the song of the day again.

 

Again?  Yep, happened once already...the market variety of banana used to be all “Gros Michel”, Big Mike, until the plants were all wiped out in the 1950s by two fungi to which the Cavendish is more resistant.

 

Only since you asked....

[GoodHands15]

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

The bananas we buy in the supermarket, the Cavendish, don’t have seeds.  New banana plants are propagated from slips of old banana plants, meaning each banana plant is genetically identical, clones of each other.  That means if a plant disease without an effective preventive strikes, “yes we have no bananas” will be the song of the day again.

 

Again?  Yep, happened once already...the market variety of banana used to be all “Gros Michel”, Big Mike, until the plants were all wiped out in the 1950s by two fungi to which the Cavendish is more resistant.

 

Well damn. Let’s hope that never happens again.

9 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

Only since you asked....

 

Just finshed reading up on it. Crazy crazy.

damn fungi

[Domdab99]

3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

The bananas we buy in the supermarket, the Cavendish, don’t have seeds.  New banana plants are propagated from slips of old banana plants, meaning each banana plant is genetically identical, clones of each other.  That means if a plant disease without an effective preventive strikes, “yes we have no bananas” will be the song of the day again.

 

Again?  Yep, happened once already...the market variety of banana used to be all “Gros Michel”, Big Mike, until the plants were all wiped out in the 1950s by two fungi to which the Cavendish is more resistant.

 

Only since you asked....

 

With this and the incredible history of the Banana Wars in Central America and the U.S., the banana has to lay claim to the being the most interesting fruit in the world. 

[BB@Shooter]

On 8/24/2018 at 8:48 PM, reddogblitz said:

 

No one that I know of. It was a hypothetical. Can a QB be inaccurate but throw for high completion % if all he throws is short and dump offs?  What do you think?

 

Of course they could.

 To be a good or great qb you have to have almost the complete arsenal. I don't think Peterman has all the tools. It will catch up to him.

[Strethor]

It's hard to fix muscle memory when the protection goes to ****