88what Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 Playing verse not playing as far as QB developement goes.. why not try and to speed that up ? I would think starting day 1 would help a little, ya think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie Ray Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 Just now, 88what said: Playing verse not playing as far as QB developement goes.. why not try and to speed that up ? I would think starting day 1 would help a little, ya think? I dont think its that simple. History has shown that there are varying results from both approaches. You have to take each situation into account, i.e., is there enough of a good support system around the rookie QB (O LINE mostly), is the coaching there, does the team have a solid defense, etc. In Allen's situation, I dont think so. At least not yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thurst44 Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 2 minutes ago, The Red King said: This isn't just about Darnold and Allen. It involves their respective O-lines as well, and those are far from equal. The Jets offensive line is terrible too. I've seen them ranked below us frequently and they have given up their share of sacks in the pre-season. Does the whole AFC East even have a good o-line between them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greeneblitz Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 Hopefully! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 This is now the 13th thread discussing who will start Game 1. It should be Allen. Not sure the coaching staff will do that though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greeneblitz Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Stevie Ray said: I dont think its that simple. History has shown that there are varying results from both approaches. You have to take each situation into account, i.e., is there enough of a good support system around the rookie QB (O LINE mostly), is the coaching there, does the team have a solid defense, etc. In Allen's situation, I dont think so. At least not yet. huh? so when is the oline going to be good, 2 games in?, 5? next year, 2 years? It's the NFL lots of QBs are forced to play behind bad offensive lines. Edited August 29, 2018 by greeneblitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 Why would Allen necessarily follow as a starter when we have Peterman around? I've seen him being compared to Brady and Romo already in some other threads ;-) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 24 minutes ago, 88what said: Could be interesting to see a different approach to rookie qb’s.... Im will int to bet more first rounders start as rookies than don’t Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie Ray Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 1 minute ago, greeneblitz said: huh? so when is the oline going to be good, 2 games in?, 5? next year, 2 years? It's the NFL lots of QBs are forced to play behind bad offensive lines. Really, lots of ROOKIE QBs are forced to play behind bad o lines? If thats what their Head Coaches decide, ok. As far as when an oline is going to be good, depends on what moves the front office makes. Could be weeks, could be next season. My point is that a blanket decision to start a rookie QB Day 1 should not be made just because. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 2 minutes ago, greeneblitz said: huh? so when is the oline going to be good, 2 games in?, 5? next year, 2 years? It's the NFL lots of QBs are forced to play behind bad offensive lines. An offensive line can gel over the course of a season as this is a makeshift line being put together right now. Four of our first top six opponents have arguably top 10 DL's. Chargers, Vikings, Packers, and Texans. Baltimore and Tennessee also have solid defenses on paper. I'm usually for rookie QB's starting day 1, but this o-line is just so bad that I don't want him crippled his rookie year. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 29, 2018 Author Share Posted August 29, 2018 He looks ready to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msw2112 Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 (edited) Don't get me wrong, I am not a Peterman lover and I think Allen is our long-term starter at QB. That said, Peterman has had a great preseason and has shown himself to be more decisive. He makes his reads and gets the ball out much more quickly than Allen at this point. Given that this OL is not providing the QB much time, Peterman is the better choice to start right now. Given more time, there is no doubt that Allen can make plays with his arm that Peterman and most other NFL QBs can't. Assuming McCarron is healthy, I would make the same comparison. Peterman makes his reads and gets the ball out much more quickly than McCarron. I have not seen any of training camp, but what I have read is that McCarron is holding onto the ball too long. I did see the first half of the Cleveland game, and McCarron was completely ineffective and unable to get the ball out quickly, just like Allen in the Cincy game. When Peterman played with the 1s against Carolina (who I think has a decent front line and pressures the QB), Peterman got the ball out quickly and was successful. Edited August 29, 2018 by msw2112 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 26 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: An offensive line can gel over the course of a season as this is a makeshift line being put together right now. Four of our first top six opponents have arguably top 10 DL's. Chargers, Vikings, Packers, and Texans. Baltimore and Tennessee also have solid defenses on paper. I'm usually for rookie QB's starting day 1, but this o-line is just so bad that I don't want him crippled his rookie year. Good point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 I don't think Allen will start. Maybe towards the end of the season get a couple of starts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 56 minutes ago, 88what said: Could be interesting to see a different approach to rookie qb’s.... ..Jets have no bearing on McD.......already was written that the considerations are Cam vs McNabb start scenarios........"baptism by fire versus wait"..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 What if Peterman is actually a franchise QB? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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HOUSE Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 Shocker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaista2k Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 I wish we traded up with the Giants and drafted Darnold.... His bust potential is way lower than Allen's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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