26CornerBlitz Posted December 5, 2018 Author Share Posted December 5, 2018 12-5: Sean Tierney (@ChartingHockey) with Jeremy White on WGR (13:11) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 The last 6 goals are from the Eichel line, 8 of the last 9. They need to break out of this immediately. When you play nothing but one goal games and only one line ever scores, you're essentially shooting yourself in the foot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 5, 2018 Author Share Posted December 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, shrader said: The last 6 goals are from the Eichel line, 8 of the last 9. They need to break out of this immediately. When you play nothing but one goal games and only one line ever scores, you're essentially shooting yourself in the foot. Scondary scoring from Okposo, Mittlestadt, Thompson. etc has mostly dried up. The upcoming easier schedule might help in that regard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 11 hours ago, K-9 said: Wow, what a game! Two teams giving no quarter. Very proud of the effort put in by this group of players tonight. Rob Ray said this was their 11th game in 19 days. Talk about a grind. Ray also mentioned that teams can’t really have any decent practices with that kind of schedule, too. They’ve played the best teams in the league in that span and have stood toe to toe But here’s the thing: the Tampa Bays, Nashvilles, and Torontos of the league have a lot less room between where they are now and their ceilings, while this team is still putting the pieces together. Rest up, heal up, get away from hockey for a day or two and then come back and start a new streak. I haven't enjoyed a hockey game that much in quite a while, despite the result. If Buffalo could only have potted one or two in that great 1st period... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 2 hours ago, JohnC said: What was the ratio of Leaf fans to Sabre fans. It was difficult to tell from TV. It seemed as if there were a lot of Leaf fans at the game? hopefully Sabres fans can give up selling their tickets for 4X face value and support the newly arisen Sabres 1 hour ago, eball said: I haven't enjoyed a hockey game that much in quite a while, despite the result. If Buffalo could only have potted one or two in that great 1st period... this is the best Leafs team I have seen since 1973, the power play and odd-man rushes are working very very well, lots of tap in goals and pinpoint shots from a distance Leafs D is the weakness, too much put on the goalie still I look forward to the Sabres/Leafs 2nd/3rd place division playoff!! Tampa has somehow perfected a way of staying at the top again..... maybe they'll fall apart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, row_33 said: hopefully Sabres fans can give up selling their tickets for 4X face value and support the newly arisen Sabres I wonder how much of it is actually the Stub Hubs and Ticketmasters of the world that are selling more of these tickets. All of the leagues are so deeply in bed with these companies at this point that I'd love to see what percentage of season ticket holders are the brokers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 35 minutes ago, shrader said: I wonder how much of it is actually the Stub Hubs and Ticketmasters of the world that are selling more of these tickets. All of the leagues are so deeply in bed with these companies at this point that I'd love to see what percentage of season ticket holders are the brokers. I always hate when folks bust on season ticket holders for selling their tickets...the busting is always done by people who do not own season tickets..and who very rarely make a game. Season ticket holder buys his seat, his right to sell whenever the hell they want. WTH, if I can sell an early December Leafs game and cover the cost of 4 other games??? I got no problem with anyone making that decision. @Kirby Jackson is really the right guy here to discuss the brokers and their impact. especially i believe in the NBA and the NHL. I would imagine this year the Sabres relied pretty heavily on their broker "partners" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 3 hours ago, JohnC said: What was the ratio of Leaf fans to Sabre fans. It was difficult to tell from TV. It seemed as if there were a lot of Leaf fans at the game? It was definitely a packed house for leafs fans... the lower bowl was about 70% maple leafs jerseys the upper bowl maybe 60-40 Sabres fans so I’d say it was atleast a good 60% leafs fans... there were go leafs go chants all night i was aboot to fight some Canadians ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 50 minutes ago, shrader said: I wonder how much of it is actually the Stub Hubs and Ticketmasters of the world that are selling more of these tickets. All of the leagues are so deeply in bed with these companies at this point that I'd love to see what percentage of season ticket holders are the brokers. the old story was you could sell your Leafs games for more than the entire value of the season ticket package, especially in the upper tier a decade ago i used to routinely get front row and club seats at the boxoffice at the last minute, sat beside the goal judge one night and had a great talk the whole game with him (except when he might have to make an official decision) 11 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: It was definitely a packed house for leafs fans... the lower bowl was about 70% maple leafs jerseys the upper bowl maybe 60-40 Sabres fans so I’d say it was atleast a good 60% leafs fans... there were go leafs go chants all night i was aboot to fight some Canadians ? even if we pay multiples of the ticket price it's probably cheaper driving to Buffalo and parking and concessions than what it costs in Toronto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 49 minutes ago, row_33 said: Tampa has somehow perfected a way of staying at the top again..... maybe they'll fall apart They're winning without a good goaltender. Just when they may fall apart (which isn't happening) their backstop will be back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 9 minutes ago, snafu said: They're winning without a good goaltender. Just when they may fall apart (which isn't happening) their backstop will be back. i think visiting the city puts a calming effect on opponents and the crowd can't deliver a hockey atmosphere so teams are lulled into a sleep and loss went to a game at the ThunderDome years back, fortunately it was on Spring Break and the Bruins were on a road trip so there were plenty of Boston fans to sit with and talk hockey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 7 minutes ago, row_33 said: the old story was you could sell your Leafs games for more than the entire value of the season ticket package, especially in the upper tier a decade ago i used to routinely get front row and club seats at the boxoffice at the last minute, sat beside the goal judge one night and had a great talk the whole game with him (except when he might have to make an official decision) even if we pay multiples of the ticket price it's probably cheaper driving to Buffalo and parking and concessions than what it costs in Toronto Of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, plenzmd1 said: I always hate when folks bust on season ticket holders for selling their tickets...the busting is always done by people who do not own season tickets..and who very rarely make a game. Season ticket holder buys his seat, his right to sell whenever the hell they want. WTH, if I can sell an early December Leafs game and cover the cost of 4 other games??? I got no problem with anyone making that decision. @Kirby Jackson is really the right guy here to discuss the brokers and their impact. especially i believe in the NBA and the NHL. I would imagine this year the Sabres relied pretty heavily on their broker "partners" I am with you Lenz. While it isn’t ideal for the home fans the brokers are a necessary evil. This holds especially true in a “gate-driven” league like the NHL. They are not getting the revenue from the networks that other leagues are. The ticket revenue in the NHL is infienitely more important than NFL, NBA and even MLB (although they are closer). You can get brokers to commit to tickets for Calgary on a Tuesday Night when both teams stink. They are willing to do that because they can make a profit when the Leafs play on a Friday and both teams are good (or whatever). The value of broker partners is that they own many of the seats that may or may not be filled on a crappy game. They play a major role in teams hitting revenue and ticket goals. I’d venture to say that the Sabres have 2,000 or so seats (no idea on the actual number) that are owned by broker partners. There are a handful of really large ones around the country that own chunks. We had about 3,500 one year and there were owned by about 7 guys. With that being said the accessibility between ticket holders and the general public is easier than ever. That makes it even harder for brokers. Teams have to continue to be creative to incentivize brokers to continue purchasing the lower demand games. You may do something like, “for every season ticket that you have you can buy double that amount for Toronto.” So if a guy buys 100 season tickets and is allowed to buy another 200 per game for Toronto you get a lot of Leaf fans in the building. You do this to protect the less desired games and drive demand away from games that will sellout anyways. Lenz, is that along the lines of what you are looking for? Edited December 5, 2018 by Kirby Jackson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Toronto is rumoured to be 80% corporate-owned in the bottom tier a co-worker inherited 4 in the lower corner and each year would hand them over to brokers for a 33% premium i asked if he could fish a pair out for me, he would for a weeknight game, but noted that almost all the time people wanted a Saturday Habs visit they were $300 face value anyway, so i declined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 26 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: I always hate when folks bust on season ticket holders for selling their tickets...the busting is always done by people who do not own season tickets..and who very rarely make a game. Season ticket holder buys his seat, his right to sell whenever the hell they want. WTH, if I can sell an early December Leafs game and cover the cost of 4 other games??? I got no problem with anyone making that decision. @Kirby Jackson is really the right guy here to discuss the brokers and their impact. especially i believe in the NBA and the NHL. I would imagine this year the Sabres relied pretty heavily on their broker "partners" And let's face it, given the ticket situation up in Toronto, a good portion of the leaf fan at these games are probably buying them up back in October. The hometown fan is going to far more likely to buy them in the short-term, a week or so in advance. Those tickets are already gone long before the Sabre fan would be buying for yesterday's game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 30 minutes ago, row_33 said: Toronto is rumoured to be 80% corporate-owned in the bottom tier a co-worker inherited 4 in the lower corner and each year would hand them over to brokers for a 33% premium i asked if he could fish a pair out for me, he would for a weeknight game, but noted that almost all the time people wanted a Saturday Habs visit they were $300 face value anyway, so i declined. Yay! Loafs! Big Markets!!! Killing the games just like bad drugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 36 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Lenz, is that along the lines of what you are looking for? Yes, thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 (edited) 22 minutes ago, shrader said: And let's face it, given the ticket situation up in Toronto, a good portion of the leaf fan at these games are probably buying them up back in October. The hometown fan is going to far more likely to buy them in the short-term, a week or so in advance. Those tickets are already gone long before the Sabre fan would be buying for yesterday's game. Yep. Not that I like the post, but so true. Again, I wish I would have got on ground floor when the Blackhawks were calling, begging me to buy season tickets before they got good! I told them to ***** off, I am a Sabres fan. They sure got last laugh!!! Edited December 5, 2018 by ExiledInIllinois 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 5, 2018 Author Share Posted December 5, 2018 12-5: Phil Housley with Howard and Jeremy on WGR (15:30) #Sabres head coach Phil Housley joins Jeremy and Sal next for his weekly visit on WGR! Tune in: Housley - it's good to get some rest, get re-booted, and get some energy as we prepare for the Flyers on Saturday. #Sabres Housley - I was really pleased with the guys' effort last night, especially coming from Nashville and losing an hour. Just how we started the game and played through and into overtime. I couldn't be more pleased with the effort. #Sabres Housley - I liked the way we played on the road in some tough buildings against some tough teams. Then to come back home on a short night, they did a great job in front of an energized building. #Sabres Housley - We've been possessing the puck in overtime. When on the attack, our shot selection is really important. We did an excellent job with that last night. For the most part, we've done excellent at reading the play and knowing when to attack. #Sabres Housley on Jack Eichel - He's contributed in so many other ways outside of scoring. He wants to score, and I think it was great for him and his confidence moving forward that he scored last night. (1/2) #Sabres Housley - It can get frustrating for a player who hasn't scored in a while, but he's sticking with the gameplan and playing really well for us. (2/2) #Sabres Housley - I think the power play has been good this season, except for the last four games. Our special teams was a difference because we weren't winning those battles. We're going to take a look at things tomorrow and in the days leading up to the Flyers on Saturday. #Sabres Housley - We have to have a better shot mentality on the power play, and we're going to make some changes. #Sabres Housley on Lawrence Pilut - I think he played a good first game in Florida. Made some mistakes as he got adjusted, but he's played really well over the past two games. He's making the proper adjustments, he plays with confidence, and you can see how he attacks the game. #Sabres Housley - I think he's only going to get better, and it's great to see his development moving forward. #Sabres Housley - I believe Casey Nelson is out on a day-to-day basis right now. Jake McCabe is also day-to-day. We'll sit down and re-evaluate everything with the injured players. #Sabres Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 30 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Yay! Loafs! Big Markets!!! Killing the games just like bad drugs. playoffs games are attended by the rich and their kids dragging a new $300 jersey on the ground, the real fans 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 10 minutes ago, row_33 said: playoffs games are attended by the rich and their kids dragging a new $300 jersey on the ground, the real fans LoL... I am gonna use that!!! Send you the royalties! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said: It was definitely a packed house for leafs fans... the lower bowl was about 70% maple leafs jerseys the upper bowl maybe 60-40 Sabres fans so I’d say it was atleast a good 60% leafs fans... there were go leafs go chants all night i was aboot to fight some Canadians ? Careful, you are outnumbered. If they fight like the Leafs play on offense you will be swarmed with a fusillade of shots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 14 minutes ago, JohnC said: Careful, you are outnumbered. If they fight like the Leafs play on offense you will be swarmed with a fusillade of shots. Luckily they don’t fight like they play hockey ? crown royal And socialism has cut the balls off our Canadian neighbors ? im aboot to get in trouble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 41 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: LoL... I am gonna use that!!! Send you the royalties! used to park in an office tower at the stadium, you'd see them parading to the game while i was trying to get the heck out of downtown to watch the game on TV at home Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JohnC Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said: Luckily they don’t fight like they play hockey ? crown royal And socialism has cut the balls off our Canadian neighbors ? im aboot to get in trouble If you start advocating for building a north wall you will be banned to the PPP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 1 minute ago, JohnC said: If you start advocating for building a north wall you will be exiled to the PPP. What good would a wall do anyways? they would just skate across the Great Lakes eventually to buy things from our malls ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: What good would a wall do anyways? they would just skate across the Great Lakes eventually to buy things from our malls ? How do Canadians have this reputation of being super nice. I've had so many run ins with obnoxious Canadians over the years - in Buffalo. Seems they come here to start crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Just now, bbb said: How do Canadians have this reputation of being super nice. I've had so many run ins with obnoxious Canadians over the years - in Buffalo. Seems they come here to start crap. Idk Buffalo is the city of good neighbors to me way friendlier than Canadians 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, bbb said: How do Canadians have this reputation of being super nice. I've had so many run ins with obnoxious Canadians over the years - in Buffalo. Seems they come here to start crap. They are far better behaved at home than they are on the road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Just now, Alaska Darin said: They are far better behaved at home than they are on the road. I was wondering if that was the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Just now, bbb said: I was wondering if that was the case. Canadian society is still pretty proper. Down here the act like Amish during Rumspringa. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 1 minute ago, Alaska Darin said: They are far better behaved at home than they are on the road. The corporate fans wearing suits attending games are less likely to get rowdy. The expense account crowd are into proper decorum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 5 minutes ago, JohnC said: The corporate fans wearing suits attending games are less likely to get rowdy. The expense account crowd are into proper decorum I was referring more towards the "rank and file". People with expense accounts generally have a lot to lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Alaska Darin said: I was referring more towards the "rank and file". People with expense accounts generally have a lot to lose. I was referring to the the corporate chaps who attend the home games compared to the rank and file who drive up to Buffalo. The first group is more proper while the other group is less proper. I forgot to ask you if you were affected by the earthquakes? I hope everything was okay in your area. Edited December 5, 2018 by JohnC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 40 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: What good would a wall do anyways? they would just skate across the Great Lakes eventually to buy things from our malls ? Then leave the garbage and packaging in the parking lot, cram their stuff in a suitcase... So as to beat the duty! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 3 hours ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Yep. Not that I like the post, but so true. Again, I wish I would have got on ground floor when the Blackhawks were calling, begging me to buy season tickets before they got good! I told them to ***** off, I am a Sabres fan. They sure got last laugh!!! I can imagine that season ticket base fell to ghost town levels with all the Bill Wirtz love that was going around that town. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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row_33 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 3 hours ago, JohnC said: The corporate fans wearing suits attending games are less likely to get rowdy. The expense account crowd are into proper decorum 2/3 of the premium seat patrons in Toronto are sitting at a bar service the first 6 or so minutes of the 2nd and 3rd, can't bother to get back to the live action Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 6 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: I am with you Lenz. While it isn’t ideal for the home fans the brokers are a necessary evil. This holds especially true in a “gate-driven” league like the NHL. They are not getting the revenue from the networks that other leagues are. The ticket revenue in the NHL is infienitely more important than NFL, NBA and even MLB (although they are closer). You can get brokers to commit to tickets for Calgary on a Tuesday Night when both teams stinks. They are willing to do that because they can make a profit when the Leafs play on a Friday and both teams are good (or whatever). The value of broker partners is that they own many of the seats that may or may not be filled on a crappy game. They play a major role in teams hitting revenue goals and ticket goals. I’d venture to say that the Sabres have 2,000 or so seats (no idea on the actual number) that are owned by broker partners. There are a handful of really large ones around the country that own chunks. We had about 3,500 one year and there were owned by about 7 guys. With that being said the accessibility between ticket holders and the general public is easier than ever. That makes it even harder for brokers. Teams have to continue to be creative to incentivize brokers to continue purchasing the lower demand games. You may do something like, “for every season ticket that you have you can buy double that amount for Toronto.” So if a guy buys 100 season tickets and is allowed to buy another 200 per game for Toronto you get a lot of Leaf fans in the building. You do this to protect the less desired games and drive demand away from games that will sellout anyways. Lenz, is that along the lines of what you are looking for? What is going on with "consolidators?" Are they working out and do you think the Sabres will do that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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